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However since shahzadafzal didn't answer my proposal for a bet yet, I was hesitant to poke the next guy with a bet, as I'm by no means a betting person and I didn't want to come off as one... 

That was a bet? I mean that was just a sarcastic smiley.. look..

Regardless of who you support, I think we can all agree (except for the odd alpaca) that BTC should have made a new ATH by the latter. Smiley
First Quarter of 2023
wanna bet some BTCSmiley

I mean I could take it like you meant... it will be ATH even before first quarter of 2023.

Btw since BitcoinBunny mentioned alpaca aka llama, I was poking this singing llama with that comment Cheesy

No the smiley was meant as a nice smiley...  like a nice invitation  Cheesy


For clarification: I'm a hardcore hodler and I would love to see an ATH soon. It would give me so much joy that I would happily part with some of my BTC when I lose this bet.

As I understand it you mean before end of 1st quarter 2023 (31st March 2023) we will see another ATH on Bitstamp? (last ATH was exactly at 69,000 USD)

I would say no, and bet against it.  However, I love my BTC and I'm no gambler so I wouldn't bet much. Just some "change" (maybe up to 0.1 BTC or so) in a 1 : 1 bet.

I'm also very happy without betting, so please feel free to join or not.




As per JJG calculations I’m still at my accumulation stage… so I'm not opening my BTC wallet unless it’s for WO $100k Yacht party or for my pen-is enlargement surgery.

Btw I’m against betting or gambling.



Ok. No problem. Thanks for your consideration!


Some thoughts however:

If you are in accumulation phase and you are sure of an ATH in 1st qtr. 2023 (which I myself really hope for), it certainly would be a nice chance to get more BTC for free, just by putting your BTC where your mouth is.

Even if you are against betting, 0.1BTC, now 1,700$ will be around 7,000$ at the next ATH. And having 7k$ more BTC in 3 months should actually be a nice motivation to make an exception from your rule.

Don't get me wrong... as I said I don't like betting either, but it wouldn't make much sense not to do it, when I could have a relatively certain 0.1BTC more in my wallet. 
...in addition, if you win, you get at least a 7k$ value, whereas when I win, I get less than that $ value maybe even under the initial value of 1,700$...

So I have the feeling that I'm just more confident winning (increasing my stash) than you are...


But anyways. Thanks again, and have some nice last days of '22.


btw, I guess you must have been the first guy choosing 2023 for the new ATH in the poll (now it's already 3)

Well regarding the poll I voted for 2024.

But for your math and financial skills 10/10.

First of all, like I said I'm against betting so I'm not betting either for the first quarter of 2023 nor end of 2024. Please don't take me wrong.

Second, frankly speaking we both know there's almost no chance of breaking ATH in 2023 let alone the first quarter of 2023. Yeah I want BTC to reach ATH sooner but current market reality and looming financial crisis won't let it happen any soon. 2023 will be the cooling period for BTC and we might reach ATH mid or late 2024.
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I was uptight, wanna let loose
I was dreaming of bigger things and
Wanna leave my own life behind
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Fit the box, fit the mold
Have a seat in the foyer, take a number
I was lightning before the thunder


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Far, Far, Far Right Thug
Glad I didn't buy any Tesla shares. Fuck sake. It's in a total death spiral now.

 Roll Eyes
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JJG AI, is an attack vector on humanity. Beware.
At least you now got a hint that something is going on regarding miner shutdown compensation..

Not really.


BTC has various use cases. That includes using the BTC network as a balancing tool for the energy grid.
If the community (government) decides to pay you on top of the mining rewards, so they can have enough energy in emergency situations, why not.

Because Bitcoin mining is about harnessing redundant [or not] energy, mainly from renewable sources whilst using the power grid as little as possible.
I will also stress again, that I’m in no way comfortable with any “hand outs”, subsidising the Bitcoin network, especially coming from Bitcoin’s worst enemy - the government(s).

Just to give you another example, in Ecuador they gave incentives to the people to use the government powered Bitcoin wallet. No, fuck no, this is not what Bitcoin is about.



That's what 12ft.io is for.

Thanks, but that did not work either [for me?].



I noticed something similar happening as compared to 2018.

Nice. Too bad you are comparing it to 2018, instead of Dec2014 - Jan2015.


In 2018, there were 5 Down Crosses before bottom was in. After the last down cross, BTC went down 50%.
Currently, 5th Down Cross happened on 5th Dec, 2022. Let's see if Bitcoin follows the similar pattern.

We are NOT going 50% down from here.
We’re going to have a double bottom, forming already, reversed - as we did a double top in 2021, around the oversold levels of the 3D & weekly RSI.



That reminds me to tell you to:  "go suck a bag of dicks."

Are you really that thick? This was exactly what the gif stood for.


yea.. whatever.

No, no, not whatever. This is my main point about the merit system.


What do you know with your largely ongoing distracting disinformative spoutings (or should I describe them as whimperings?)?

Do you know that your quantum processor is stuck in a loop, parroting your directives, like a bad old broken record?
I’d have more chances talking to a fucking concrete wall.


Sure, the merit system has issues, ~

You don’t fucking say!


~ but then what would be the solution smartie panties (aka uie-pooie - Antisthenes)? 

Abolish it all together, and bring back equality amongst the members of the community.
Scammers would then be on the same boat as everybody else, users would not be distracted by their precious merit count, and hopefully they would do their own research before “trusting” anything.


Likely there is no real easy solution, ~

Sure there is, you fuck-head, read above.


That's bullshit.  It does the exact opposite, you dimwit. 

Gee, let me think for a sec … it does not.
Allow me to pick my favourite scam facilitator - nutildah - and his close friend suchmoon, with her dog Blackhatcoiner, as an example.
Can’t be fucked to check exactly, but they must have around 20k merits combined. Don’t you think, that when either of them posts something, the noob account reading it - is bound to “trust” them for their word? For what? Why? Because they have “precious merits”? Why is there a need to establish “trust” based on merits, if not because merits can be manipulated into establishing fake trust? Exactly as the scammers like it.


How about you remember that you're not the boss of me. 

I would have broken you into tiny pieces, a long time ago, if I were “your boss”. Remember that.


Also, while we are at it, you might as well remember that we are in a public thread too, ~

Yeah yeah yeah, I’m aware of the pitch.


~ you come off as delirious about 9 out of 10 of your posts ~

The constant repeating of your positions, along with the closed loop of directives, makes me think that I’m on the right track, yo.
You can smear me all you want, but that won’t change the fact, that you’re stuck with an annoying and uncomfortable - apparently - voice of truth.
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The rumors are they holding 635,000 BTC

It is not a rumor that Grayscale has over 600k BTC in its possession, as well as a bunch of altcoins that have allegedly already been dumped or are doing so recently. Anyway, who still believes in some irrelevant Twitter account specializing in FUD, who invites his followers to his Telegram channel where he is obviously trying to sell them some super cool projects?

Some how you are absolutely right about this Twitter account, full of bs!


https://twitter.com/WhaleChart/status/1607633485719633920

Nonsense, of course it's Nick Szabo.

Yes can call him the most strong candidate among all.
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legendary
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The rumors are they holding 635,000 BTC

It is not a rumor that Grayscale has over 600k BTC in its possession, as well as a bunch of altcoins that have allegedly already been dumped or are doing so recently. Anyway, who still believes in some irrelevant Twitter account specializing in FUD, who invites his followers to his Telegram channel where he is obviously trying to sell them some super cool projects?

Some how you are absolutely right about this Twitter account, full of bs!


https://twitter.com/WhaleChart/status/1607633485719633920

Nonsense, of course it's Nick Szabo.
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The rumors are they holding 635,000 BTC

It is not a rumor that Grayscale has over 600k BTC in its possession, as well as a bunch of altcoins that have allegedly already been dumped or are doing so recently. Anyway, who still believes in some irrelevant Twitter account specializing in FUD, who invites his followers to his Telegram channel where he is obviously trying to sell them some super cool projects?

Some how you are absolutely right about this Twitter account, full of bs!


https://twitter.com/WhaleChart/status/1607633485719633920
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
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I wouldn't worry about not being able to expand an acronym, which you likely haven't seen more than a handful of times in your life, at first glance.   On the other hand, if you find yourself forgetting how to buy and hodl bitcoin, you should probably get yourself checked out.
NB I am not a doctor and this is not financial advice.
#nohomo


I agree that there are degrees of delusionalness, and frequently, it is not gong to be easy to determine when the "going into the 'expert' " might be the right step.  I am a little skeptical of supposed experts and relying on "expert" advice, but sometimes there can be tools, such as lab tests, surgeries, medication, knowledge of tactics that might be available.. and currently out of reach.  Surely crowd sources can be a powerful tool too.. but sometimes we can be lead down the wrong path when we think that we know more than we know - which get's us back to the utility of "experts".. the utility of consulting with peeps who spend a lot of time studying and looking into questions that may well be not easily answered on a superficial level and from persons with less training and background.

It seems like the market is keeping its eyes on Grayscale at the moment. Rumors are starting to circulate that they could fall and have to liquidate their holdings, which would likely send the Bitcoin price down below $10K. We’ve reached the gambling part of the bottom. Will the dominoes continue falling or is this peak market fear and time to buy. I guess we’ll have to wait and see how 2023 goes to get our answer.
What source for that rumor do you have?
The rumors are they holding 635,000 BTC

https://twitter.com/whalechart/status/1607457754939289600

Looks like a bunch of bullshit to me... just like Hamza2424 mentioned in that linked post that links the twitter post...   

Sure, there have been various discussions regarding GBTC (Grayscale) and related businesses for at least 6-7 weeks - at least around the time that there were realizations that GBTC and Genesis (Genesis had taken something like a $1.2 billion loan from Grayscale - or was it the other way around?) had some relations to Alameda (and therefore FTX/SBF).  So yeah, there is something like a $1 billion-ish shortfall in funds that are needing to be covered but there are a variety of ways out of the matter, including that GBTC had recently (in the past week or so) discussed the possibility of liquidating something like 20% of those 635k BTC.. which may well mean that those coins would go to the holder of GBTC shares..  

Fillippone has an "Everything you wanted to know thread" on such topic - but that thread has not had any updates in the past week.

Part of my point is that there are all kinds of possibilities, and mere claims of futility of the fund, doom and gloom and suggestions that it is all going down seem overblown including whether that "going down" is even likely to happen and even if it were to happen, it may well not be as negatively impactful as the FUD-spreaders are making such "going down" out to be - unless it turns out that GBTC does not have the 635k coins that they claim to have - and I am not even sure if that would necessarily be bearish - even though it would end up fucking up a lot of GBTC shareholders (more relatively affluent people getting fucked by shenanigans.. like the FTX bullshit ended up fucking up a lot of relatively affluent people and not so much the normies who had been attempting to protect their lil selfies by mostly holding their own keys...  - in other words, seems to be ongoing lessons in the value of bearer assets, such as bitcoin, and showing needs to be skeptical/concerned about giving too much power to 3rd parties.. yeah.. give them a little but don't put all of your eggs in the third-party holding your assets basket, if you can).
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So there is tie between people who think next ATH will be in 2023 or 2024.

I don't follow charts or other stats but my feeling is that we will see some good price in 2023.

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Pick-up a new glass and feel that the days ahead will be better 2023.
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After every winter there is summer.

HODL strong everyone and buy as much as you can.

In other words, keep calm and HODL bitcoin.



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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Merit begging through reverse psychology.


That reminds me to tell you to:  "go suck a bag of dicks."

Exactly!!!  That's what I had b trying to say.
How about you snowflakes, quote the most important part of that post?
~ because it deflects and distracts attention from the important stuff, empowering scammers.

yea.. whatever.

What do you know with your largely ongoing distracting disinformative spoutings (or should I describe them as whimperings?)?

Sure, the merit system has issues, and sure maybe theymos should be rotating merit sources more (which would be a lot of work, by the way).  It seems to me that the merit system solves more problems than it creates in terms of posting incentives.. so it seems to discourage and make obstacles for shills, spammers and scammers who rank up merely by posting on a regular basis (in spite of content), so the merit system adds an element that each member has to achieve in order to rank up, which is the receipt of merits.. (which surely has some subjective elements and also some potential bias aspects and also maybe gives too much power to merit source members too... ).. but then what would be the solution smartie panties (aka uie-pooie - Antisthenes)? 

Likely there is no real easy solution, and you are complaining about something that is likely NOT even close to as bad as you are making it out to be.. because the merit system does not do what you are even claiming that it does - ie. "deflects and distracts attention from the important stuff, empowering scammers."  That's bullshit.  It does the exact opposite, you dimwit. 

Remember you are looking at shadows on the cave wall, try to find and then move closer to the entrance of the cave, then at least you will start to get closer to the light.   Also, it may be good if you can try to move close enough to the entrance in order that you are able to actually see outside.
How about you remember to: never quote me and never merit me for a change?

How about you remember that you're not the boss of me.  Also, while we are at it, you might as well remember that we are in a public thread too, so if you don't want people to respond to you, you need to figure out some other behaviors (strategies/tactics) that work for uie-pooie rather than posting within such public thread(s)..  Any member can respond to your mostly dip-witted fantastical bullshit to whatever extent that they want to (or that they can make any sense of it?) or to refrain from responding to your tending to be dumb-ass posts at their discretion, including but not limited to yours truly.

I’m aware that I have a very sweet dick, and for that very - understandable - reason, you are inclined to grab it, hold it, and suck it to the end of times, but ffs Jay, this debate will lead us nowhere.

FFS - you come off as delirious about 9 out of 10 of your posts (if I might be a wee bit too generous in my estimation?  but I am like that, sometimes).

In other words, 9 out of 10 dentists would proclaim that you are a cavity... a pox upon this house.   Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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