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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 25845. (Read 26609689 times)

legendary
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Honey badger just does not care
This exactly is the problem, dumping earns a lot of people a lot of money. Start with 1000 BTC, dump them @ $480. When panic sell starts (and it always start) buy back at $465.

Is this sort of pure buy/sell manipulation actually profitable?  Does it actually occur, in bitcoin or any other market? I would think that such manoeurvers are effective only if combined with suitable advertising or rumors.  

I would guess that, in a pure "dump & slurp" manoeuver (as described above) there is a hight probability that the asks will not drop far enough after the dump, so that the average price paid by the trader on the "slurp" phase will be higher than the average price he got in the "dump" phase.  Also, during the "slurp" he will be competing with other traders, who will eat away some of his expected gains.

It's not the game of probabilities, the dumpers don't throw dice, they use technical analysis. Of course they will sometimes miss the right selling/buying points, but by actually studying the market you can get that miss percentage far below 50%, i think it's actually closer to 70%:30% in favor of profitable dump/by back cycles. The main danger is not that percentage of successful trades falls under 50%, it's sudden big jump of price while they are exposed in fiat. To maneuver they use "stop loss" bots which quickly buy back into BTC in rare cases they got caught in price spike. Eventual one time loss is already covered by numerous previous successful cycles.
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
holy moly shorts are DOWN nearly 50%

i guess the wall coming down was shorts covering.

Is this good r bad ? lolz

meaningless data.
newbie
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holy moly shorts are DOWN nearly 50%

i guess the wall coming down was shorts covering.

Is this good r bad ? lolz
hero member
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Merit: 1003
This exactly is the problem, dumping earns a lot of people a lot of money. Start with 1000 BTC, dump them @ $480. When panic sell starts (and it always start) buy back at $465.

Is this sort of pure buy/sell manipulation actually profitable?  Does it actually occur, in bitcoin or any other market? I would think that such manoeurvers are effective only if combined with suitable advertising or rumors.   

I would guess that, in a pure "dump & slurp" manoeuver (as described above) there is a hight probability that the asks will not drop far enough after the dump, so that the average price paid by the trader on the "slurp" phase will be higher than the average price he got in the "dump" phase.  Also, during the "slurp" he will be competing with other traders, who will eat away some of his expected gains.

The same question, mutatis mutandis, applies to the reverse "pump & dump"  manoeuver.
legendary
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100 satoshis -> ISO code
holy moly shorts are DOWN nearly 50%

i guess the wall coming down was shorts covering.

For the first time in a while on Stamp, the ask sum is less than the bid sum at +/-$30 from the touch.  Sentiment is changing!
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
holy moly shorts are DOWN nearly 50%

i guess the wall coming down was shorts covering.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
nice little 150BTC wall on the front lines of bitfinex.
legendary
Activity: 1904
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Trusted Bitcoiner
Resuming our conversation about one does not simple buy the whole book.



What The Fuck O_o
member
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Where did you found this chart buddy?
I'm new..
I bought 50btc today.

Buy the whole book on kraken! It's not that large!  Cheesy
legendary
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women and children first!!
legendary
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ITSMYNE 🚀 Talk NFTs, Trade NFTs 🚀
Seems that we can't break through the 480$ wall, oh wait there's no wall... why the price keep rebounding from that value?

No volume

I think now we have to wait for Monday, this weekend also boring like mostly weekends for trading.
full member
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
Resuming our conversation about one does not simple buy the whole book.



well now that is a stub quote  Cheesy
member
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Resuming our conversation about one does not simple buy the whole book.

legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
full member
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Seems that we can't break through the 480$ wall, oh wait there's no wall... why the price keep rebounding from that value?

No volume
full member
Activity: 154
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playing pasta and eating mandolinos
newbie
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a little crack pot TA never hurt anyone..

http://s12.postimg.org/xbm53ue25/Untitled.png

Where did you found this chart buddy?
I'm new..
I bought 50btc today.
newbie
Activity: 22
Merit: 0
Seems that we can't break through the 480$ wall, oh wait there's no wall... why the price keep rebounding from that value?
legendary
Activity: 1974
Merit: 1077
Honey badger just does not care
These dumpers are only going to stop dumping when they believe that it is NO longer in their interest to dump and that they can NO longer get any potential advantage from dumping...

This exactly is the problem, dumping earns a lot of people a lot of money. Start with 1000 BTC, dump them @ $480. When panic sell starts (and it always start) buy back at $465. That leaves you with 1032 BTC from starting 1000. Rinse & repeat, this time starting with 1032, transform them to 1065 in the next dump. Repeat again... Dumpers don't care if BTC will get to $500, or $1.000, or $10.000 by the end of the this year, or the next year, or 2016, when BTC gets there they will have a lot more BTC without investing fresh fiat. All that they have to do is not make the mistake when to start selling, but they already have a lot earned on the exchanges to cover for some errors in that regard. Easy BTC. It's hard to argue that they should just leave the BTC price to soar. They know it will eventually soar, but the reasoning is why not earn some fresh BTC from the weak hands along the way?
sr. member
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Market maker(s) does not appear to be done with the $470's yet. So after the rise to $480 we get dumps and after that the market is flooded with more low priced coins than the remaining active traders can handle. I don't see us going past $480 as long as the activity level and sentiment is so bad.

Question is if market movers have the balls to dump us below $470, or if we will just continue sideways for a while longer? As I said before I don't expect we will go much below $470 before we go up, but who knows.

Whales move slowly and it looks like this could give us yet another opportunity to get BTC below the current price level (and a chance to close shorts in an orderly fashion). I'm thinking that there must be a lot of traders sitting on the sidelines waiting to get some sort of sign of improvement. I personally believe that things are turning, but maybe we need to get to a point where inactive traders start thinking: "Wow, trading BTC has become really silly lately, I think I will buy some and see what happens".

Always remember: BTC price manipulation is one of the highest forms of endeavour to which a human being can choose to devote his time and energy  Cheesy
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