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legendary
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... Not bitching about you being off-topic, that's fine with me, as long as you understand that you are off-topic.  This is about BTC price, not eventual success or failure of Bitcoin...


WTF?Huh    A poster can still be a buyer and holder and still meaningfully participate in this speculation thread.  You, NotLambChops, are trying to define which points of view are more relevant to this thread as if the thread's design and purpose is ONLY trading.. to attempt to profit on the ups and the downs.  Your viewpoint in this regard, if it is real, is quite wrong.
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Topic of this thread:  Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

Bitcoin
Price
Movement
Tracking

You could understand why I mistakenly assumed that this thread was about tracking Bitcoin price, right?

I could understand your mistaken assumption , but only if you do not actually read the thread, maybe it is that reading/writing ratio again?  Smiley  
Really though you must have noticed the diversity of the topics and views and posters in the thread... I cannot for the life of me work out how you could have missed it, if you are actually reading.


member
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Sorry if you thought I was referring to you. It was more a reference to the person you were responding to.

Okay, sorry for misunderstanding. Friends again!  Wink
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
... (i.e BTC in my view is stonger than it was when I bought, and as a buyer with a long term view now is a odd time to sell) which was answering the question that Klee had asked.  Hope that makes sense.

You and the market haven't been seeing eye-to-eye since 2013.  One of you is wrong, and teh market is definitive.  So yeah.

Protip: When reality (like falling BTC price and people selling) doesn't make sense to you, don't assume that, just 'coz you don't understand it, it's somehow "wrong" or nonsensical.
Keep trying to understand.
I'm rootin' for ya!

From my understanding the BTC market did NOT start in December 2013 - accordingly it has a longer history, so any person, whether "pro" or NOT should account for that.  Additionally, anyone can look at a 9 months market and assert that "you should have... blah, blah, blah."  That does NOT make a pro, but instead a pest... or more likely a troll.
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... Not bitching about you being off-topic, that's fine with me, as long as you understand that you are off-topic.  This is about BTC price, not eventual success or failure of Bitcoin...


WTF?Huh    A poster can still be a buyer and holder and still meaningfully participate in this speculation thread.  You, NotLambChops, are trying to define which points of view are more relevant to this thread as if the thread's design and purpose is ONLY trading.. to attempt to profit on the ups and the downs.  Your viewpoint in this regard, if it is real, is quite wrong.
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Topic of this thread:  Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

Bitcoin
Price
Movement
Tracking

You could understand why I mistakenly assumed that this thread was about tracking Bitcoin price, right?

Stop with the logic. They don't speak logic. You'll confuse them.
sr. member
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... Not bitching about you being off-topic, that's fine with me, as long as you understand that you are off-topic.  This is about BTC price, not eventual success or failure of Bitcoin...


WTF?Huh    A poster can still be a buyer and holder and still meaningfully participate in this speculation thread.  You, NotLambChops, are trying to define which points of view are more relevant to this thread as if the thread's design and purpose is ONLY trading.. to attempt to profit on the ups and the downs.  Your viewpoint in this regard, if it is real, is quite wrong.
...

Topic of this thread:  Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion

Bitcoin
Price
Movement
Tracking

You could understand why I mistakenly assumed that this thread was about tracking Bitcoin price, right?
legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
This was a buy of one or at least only a few entities. So only they can get trapped on the current price level.

That's what I love about this place.

A decent dump by one or a few entities and it's the end of Bitcoin.

A decent buy by one or a few entities and it's moon train time.

 Cheesy

I said nothing about moon or trains! Please don't put words in my mouth.

Even breaking 500 would mean nothing more than breaking a very short term bear trend, and has a lot of potential for a bigger bull trap.

Sorry if you thought I was referring to you. It was more a reference to the person you were responding to.

I was actually agreeing with your assessment of the recent price spike as being the work of only one or a few entities.
newbie
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Ha ha. Me too. It would a least be nice too test the wall and see if that was the case.

Also I think there is a bit too much anonymity for large players in the market. Currently there is no way to tell if a player is buying/selling his own coins (using different accounts). If this has become common practice it is really bad and no one benefits from it. If large players were forced to display a trader identification code that would provide a way to recognize moves of individual large players. It could also help to identify when these large volume events are legit.
Isn't this a free market? Smiley
It leaves a huge possibility for manipulation. I'd be interested to see who's initially buying and how many follow after, just so the initial buyer can dump higher. Quick bucks are being made Smiley
legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
A poster can still be a buyer and holder and still meaningfully participate in this speculation thread.  You, NotLambChops, are trying to define which points of view are more relevant to this thread as if the thread's design and purpose is ONLY trading.. to attempt to profit on the ups and the downs.  Your viewpoint in this regard, if it is real, is quite wrong.

I agree. Speculation is much more than mere price speculation and trading.
legendary
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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
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Also I think there is a bit too much anonymity for large players in the market. Currently there is no way to tell if a player is buying/selling his own coins (using different accounts).

They don't even have to use different accounts... it is possible to execute against your own offers.
sr. member
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Uh! Momentum out of nothing. That could get really interesting this time....

lets see if we can break it this time...



Was going to post the same Smiley

Ha ha. Me too. It would a least be nice too test the wall and see if that was the case.

Also I think there is a bit too much anonymity for large players in the market. Currently there is no way to tell if a player is buying/selling his own coins (using different accounts). If this has become common practice it is really bad and no one benefits from it. If large players were forced to display a trader identification code that would provide a way to recognize moves of individual large players. It could also help to identify when these large volume events are legit.
member
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This was a buy of one or at least only a few entities. So only they can get trapped on the current price level.

That's what I love about this place.

A decent dump by one or a few entities and it's the end of Bitcoin.

A decent buy by one or a few entities and it's moon train time.

 Cheesy

I said nothing about moon or trains! Please don't put words in my mouth.

Even breaking 500 would mean nothing more than breaking a very short term bear trend, and has a lot of potential for a bigger bull trap.
full member
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Well, this is getting ugly fast. It was a trap, folks.

...says the newbie.

Just watch

We are 2 bucks off the local high.  Wait and see if Bfx makes a run at that wall.  The decision has not been made yet.


This is the measured view. I don't think we've got the juice right now. We might not even hit a new local low, but we are going to pull back close to it before the end of the day. I am more or less expecting a partial retracement and sideways.
legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
This was a buy of one or at least only a few entities. So only they can get trapped on the current price level.

That's what I love about this place.

A decent dump by one or a few entities and it's the end of Bitcoin.

A decent buy by one or a few entities and it's moon train time.

 Cheesy
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
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BTC is still here... and the future is even brighter and BTC is even stronger... (only a blind man cannot see this)

So therefore, for me , now is not the time to sell....
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Horribly faulty logic.  BTC may be "even stronger," but its exchange rate is lower than it once was.  If the exchange rate continues on its downward trend, it's smart to sell, regardless of Bitcoin's eventual success.

Right... ok if that works for you, it works for you.

I am very happy with my decision, and it has worked very well for me... I am perfectly happy, the only thing I have done wrong is not buy more in the $75 region...

"If the exchange rate continues"  there is only one thing the exchange rate will continue to do.... and that is go up, and go down, and sideways and down and up etc etc

That's what most of us are here to cash in on--volatility.  Some of us make good calls, some bad.  Some, like you, claiming they don't make any calls, are indifferent to price volatility, and simply hodl no matter what.  For me, this begs the question:  What are they doing here?  Trolling?  Propagandizing?
 
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If you are playing this long term, as I am, and do not really care for spending the time or the stress or the risk, playing games to increase your BTC stash, then there is nothing wrong with my "horrible logic"  it might not fit into your way of thinking, or your plan, risk tolerance, long term goals, views , financial situation/needs, lifestyle, etc but that is fine, that is why you are one individual and I another.

I'm glad that you are happy with your choice.  It's the logic you used to back up your decision that's flawed.  If, like many of us, your goal is to make BTC, you're doing it wrong.  If your goal is to make fiat?  Still doing it wrong.

This is the speculation subforum, peopled by traders--speculators.  If you are indifferent to short-term price fluctuations, my guess is you're just in the wrong place.  Not bitching about you being off-topic, that's fine with me, as long as you understand that you are off-topic.  This is about BTC price, not eventual success or failure of Bitcoin.

TL;DR:  Knowing that Bitcoin will succeed is neat, but doesn't help me make money.
inb4 "selfish greedy etc., etc":  Speculation forum about money.


WTF?Huh    A poster can still be a buyer and holder and still meaningfully participate in this speculation thread.  You, NotLambChops, are trying to define which points of view are more relevant to this thread as if the thread's design and purpose is ONLY trading.. to attempt to profit on the ups and the downs.  Your viewpoint in this regard, if it is real, is quite wrong.

Second:  there are lots of instances in which people may feel more comfortable betting on the upside and NOT the downside, and also be gambling that the upside is coming at any minute (especially when they may be perceiving, based on whatever information that they have, that BTC price is way beneath BTC's value).  Anyhow, the mere fact that these kinds of buyers and holders may be wrong about their prediction(s) regarding the price direction of BTC does NOT make them wrong in their thinking or wrong in their chosen strategy being appropriate to their own considerations.

Anyhow, it sounds as if you are merely talking your book, and you are hoping for some further BTC price declines... and it is likely going to be difficult to get BTC under $450, absent some pretty bad news or convincing FUD or someone or entity that is willing to spend a lot of fiat in order to engage in additional downward manipulation(s) of BTC prices.
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Well, this is getting ugly fast. It was a trap, folks.

...says the newbie.

Just watch

We are 2 bucks off the local high.  Wait and see if Bfx makes a run at that wall.  The decision has not been made yet.
legendary
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9.9.2012: I predict that single digits... <- FAIL
Well, this is getting ugly fast. It was a trap, folks.

...says the newbie.
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