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I would like Morocco to win and turn down all of Budweiser's beer

That’s one way to stop Mbappe


Morocco attacking in the second half but French defense looks unbreakable…

Significant difference was the speed of attacks, france got a slight advantage there, and Grizman and Mbappe kept the MAR defence very busy, which was effectively enabling other FRA players to score while them key players were attracting all the attention by MAR. The result and gameplay was great though, very refreshing after that 90 minute croatian power-nap. MAR will most likely score third place, they did most of the things right that CRO failed to do.
ARG vs. FRA should deliver a great game, i'm pretty excited looking forward to that.

The referee was shitty, unworthy of a semi-final game. When you have video assistance but you're thinking you're too good to actually make use of it  Roll Eyes

You are very right in your analysis. Probably the experience of France playing such high level games and inexperience of Morocco in handling such high level game is another main factor of French dominance. Croatia gave up too early in there game against Arg, so yes there are chances of Morocco for getting third place. 
Having said that, this performance of Morocco will be remembered in history as this gives will give hope to every country outside Europe that they can also play and make it to last stages of FIFA worldcup. 
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What happened sirazimuth ... it's a nice song just one more exit to go... Smiley

bring it on...!!!!
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Have any of you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1JlnjY4d4c

Bewildering to say the least.
Among witnesses: two were at least in part rational thinkers (O'Leary and a female from the Cato Instutute).
The other two-complete blabbering 'tools'.

In addition..my gawd...these are our Senators [a couple were OK, with the rest... 'you name it' ]?
What does this say about the electorate?


"No-one's laughing now", I dunno I'm still laughing about it. Cheesy

*didn't make it past that.


Shitcoinlord O'Leary said:   “Binance put FTX out of business”

...  poor innocent SBF  Roll Eyes



https://twitter.com/BTC_Archive/status/1603083890171809792

DEBUNKING KEVIN O'LEARY Part 1 of 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqzFZVloPn0&lc=Ugwi8WTEPW7APtCxKy14AaABAg
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Have any of you seen this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1JlnjY4d4c

Bewildering to say the least.
Among witnesses: two were at least in part rational thinkers (O'Leary and a female from the Cato Instutute).
The other two-complete blabbering 'tools'.

In addition..my gawd...these are our Senators [a couple were OK, with the rest... 'you name it' ]?
What does this say about the electorate?


My impression, looking into this for about half an hour, skipping bits, is that opinions were quite balanced. Senators overexaggerating probably weren't taken too serious by the board. The most impressive moments where, however, the (brainwashed) lady visibly shaking, around 23:00. Better go take your meds, babe  Tongue
The overall message by the more reasoned speakers was about the shadyness of characters in the crypto business, and in terms of shady, we surely got a lot of experience here on WO  Cheesy
Derivatives and collateral tokens just suck, and that's about coming out to me when looking at this senator's discussion. This is the part of the market that needs attention by authorities, i hope the sen(i)ators all got that, too.

I would like Morocco to win and turn down all of Budweiser's beer

That’s one way to stop Mbappe


Morocco attacking in the second half but French defense looks unbreakable…

Significant difference was the speed of attacks, france got a slight advantage there, and Grizman and Mbappe kept the MAR defence very busy, which was effectively enabling other FRA players to score while them key players were attracting all the attention by MAR. The result and gameplay was great though, very refreshing after that 90 minute croatian power-nap. MAR will most likely score third place, they did most of the things right that CRO failed to do.
ARG vs. FRA should deliver a great game, i'm pretty excited looking forward to that.

The referee was shitty, unworthy of a semi-final game. When you have video assistance but you're thinking you're too good to actually make use of it  Roll Eyes



JJG is correct about the following:

 world governments fear BTC.



As to their solutions to solve the problems btc creates, they are working on it.

Lets hope they do as well as they did in keeping the deficit in check.

BTC actually was quite muted in the news lately, which is a good sign of slowly considering it as what it is. The most serious peer-to-peer electonic cash system.
It feels quite good to see the bitcoin bashing decrease.

For the record: Coinbase advertising a "good buy", but for me it's a "good bye".  Tongue
I never got through KYC on binance, god knows why, but i'm actually pretty happy about that.
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Why do you always need 150 words to say what could be said in 15?

Your original assertion was that Bitcoin has decoupled from the stock market. I presented evidence that it has not and some explanation as to why it cannot. Here's some more recent evidence for you:

Stock market drags Bitcoin price further south; Will the trend continue?

Bitcoin Falls as Jobs Report Is Harsh Reminder of Crypto’s Link to Stocks

As Bitcoin, Stock Investors Cheer US Inflation Slowdown, One Macro Expert Calls for Caution

https://www.theblock.co/data/crypto-markets/prices/btc-pearson-correlation-30d


Pretty obvious that the lines have spent more time above zero than below it for the last year. Since November there has been more of a negative correlation than a positive, but if BTC was "decoupled" the lines would be at zero. Speaking of zooming out, if you do that you see this recent shift is part of an overall pattern that has been around for at least 4 years now:



The things that make the stock market move will continue to make Bitcoin move.
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People still suffering mentally from the bear hammer,~
Speak for yourself bro, I’m already having a blast with these discounted prices.

That is proof that you suffer mentally - or unless you are a low coiner or a no coiner.  I know that no coiners and low coiners are "having a blast" from these recently low ("discounted") BTC prices.

Where is JJG?

Is he getting the v329.1.4 Cryptotourist update, or have they decided to shred his kernel?

"They" decided that JJG had some chores that s/he/it had to do around the house... so JJG is just fine.. just had to do those referenced chores around the house.

some interesting thoughts on BTC mining compared to shitcoin staking from an engineering standpoint
"Will Ethereum Break Like Terra Luna?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhjof3hQkKo
pretty good video.

pushes pow a lot.

There is no need to "push" POW. 

POW is a superior system, so POW seems to already speak for itself. 

Hadn't you realized, after your 11 years in bitcoin, that the way that Bitcoin implements POW serves as a paradigm-shifting invention.. that allows for value to be stored, transmitted and verified digitally in such a way that had never been securedly possible previously.  It's a pretty BIG deal, if you had not noticed... and no real need to sell it or push it... especially now that it's already been operational for nearly 14 years.

Part of your problema philip is that you don't seem to understand dee cornz very well.
Epic Facepalm.

Perhaps you don't understand dee cornz either, nutildah - especially if you are coming to a face palming conclusion.

Dee cornz are already decoupled - even if we have these periods of correlation, that seem to confuse people.. including but not limited to ur lil selfie.
Won't be decoupled until its no longer an institutional investment...

It appears that you read whatever you wanted into your out of context response.. without actually addressing the issue as such issue had been presented by me.

pretty simple really.

You come to the opposite conclusion, and then say that the matter is "simple."  That approach comes off as face palmable to me.

I've never understood the steadfast denial of correlation by those who wish to pretend corn exists in its own economic bubble. It does not.

No one said that corn exists in its own economic bubble... So we agree that corn does not exist in its own economic bubble.  Are "we" making progress?


Here's some basic reading for ur lil selfie, let's see if it will make a dent in your stone head.
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As Bitcoin morphed into an asset class, more interest was created. Brokerages and institutions gained traction with regulators and offered investment opportunities like Bitcoin-linked ETFs and 401(k)s that allowed investors to place Bitcoin in them.

Because institutions were providing familiar instruments, investors appeared to become more comfortable with cryptocurrencies.

In late 2021 and into mid-2022, cryptocurrency prices rose and fell similarly to equity prices. The chart below shows Bitcoin's (BTC) price compared to the S&P 500 (SPX) and the Nasdaq 100 (NDX).

That appears to be one year's worth of data that is represented in the chart, and then the investopia clip seems to be making an assessment that bitcoin is becoming more correlated based on new financialization instruments that will cause such increased correlation... .

Sure bitcoin could  become more correlated in the future, but currently it is not correlated merely based on 12 months worth of data showing it to have been correlated during the most recent 12-month period.. or whatever it is that you are striving to present and to argue in regard to your assertion that bitcoin is supposedly correlated or becoming correlated.. or your assertion that it has always been correlated or whatever nonsense self-righteous proclamations that you are trying to play gotcha with..
 
"Ah but its not correlated 100% of the time."

Who said that statement?  not this here cat... You are the one presenting data from the last year in order to argue your point... good luck with that, you will likely need it.

Correct. Regardless, some correlation is still correlation.

I don't think so.  It is possible to have periods of correlation in order to cause people to proclaim that they believe that bitcoin is correlated, and then they end up getting fucked when they end up making bets that are based on overly expecting future correlation to play out merely because they are able to see some evidence of past correlation for periods that they had selected. 

In other words, I stand by my original post, and zoom out your lil selfie a wee bit.  There is no need for me to 'splain the situation further to you since you have already come to this topic in an argument manner in which you are not even trying to represent what I had said versus what you would have liked for me to have had said.. and since you have already made up your mind and want to engage in some seemingly self-righteous gotcha lecturing, anyhow.

JJG is correct about the following:

world governments fear BTC.

As to their solutions to solve the problems btc creates, they are working on it.

Lets hope they do as well as they did in keeping the deficit in check.

I am not going to deny that governments are not on the attack, and for sure, it looks like we are going to be experiencing some of the new attacks.. and so it could end up that we might need to reframe and to rethink some of our issues and some of our framings - depending on if there might be some areas in which some of the newly developing attacks become effective.. and even from one day of hearing, we see a lot of confusing of the FTX matter in order to lump bitcoin in as a culprit, and the Warren proposed legislation seems to be partially motivated by fear of bitcoin, and confusion  (whether purposeful or not) of bitcoin and crypto and even wanting to blanketly frame bitcoin as a threat - through even spreading misinformation through occlusions.. or maybe bad frameworks or maybe just lumping "guilt by association."
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JJG is correct about the following:

 world governments fear BTC.



As to their solutions to solve the problems btc creates, they are working on it.

Lets hope they do as well as they did in keeping the deficit in check.
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Part of your problema philip is that you don't seem to understand dee cornz very well.

Epic Facepalm.

Dee cornz are already decoupled - even if we have these periods of correlation, that seem to confuse people.. including but not limited to ur lil selfie.

Won't be decoupled until its no longer an institutional investment... pretty simple really. I've never understood the steadfast denial of correlation by those who wish to pretend corn exists in its own economic bubble. It does not.



Here's some basic reading for ur lil selfie, let's see if it will make a dent in your stone head.

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As Bitcoin morphed into an asset class, more interest was created. Brokerages and institutions gained traction with regulators and offered investment opportunities like Bitcoin-linked ETFs and 401(k)s that allowed investors to place Bitcoin in them.

Because institutions were providing familiar instruments, investors appeared to become more comfortable with cryptocurrencies.

In late 2021 and into mid-2022, cryptocurrency prices rose and fell similarly to equity prices. The chart below shows Bitcoin's (BTC) price compared to the S&P 500 (SPX) and the Nasdaq 100 (NDX).

"Ah but its not correlated 100% of the time."

Correct. Regardless, some correlation is still correlation.
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Why are you guys saying its a trap pump? If anything this seems like insiders buying in after hearing some good news which is yet to be revealed.
The news has already been revealed. Inflation slowing down. Stock market is up. Bitcoin is up. Sadly not decoupled from that shit yet. There is no magic here.
It won't decouple until 2030 or later. It needs to be a lot bigger than 5 trillion which would mean 13 fold the current price.

Oh my!!!!

Part of your problema philip is that you don't seem to understand dee cornz very well.

Dee cornz are already decoupled - even if we have these periods of correlation, that seem to confuse people.. including but not limited to ur lil selfie.

I would think that you should know better.. but sad thing is that you do not.

You should realize that Bitcoin is already successful in the sense of both being a baby.. and still being a paradigm shifting phenomenon that is very difficult for the status quo powers that be to figure out how to attempt to manage..

and if you keep viewing bitcoin through those kinds of fiat lenses..then you are going to continue to make a lot of dumb proclamations regarding where we are at, where we came from and where we are likely going.. and so seeing where we are at is only part of the assessment.. and another part is why and how we got here..which you do not seem to understand those parts either, even though you seem to know part of it.


It is simple enough.

It's only simple if you are trying to look at bitcoin through fiat, which is contributing towards your ongoingly being wrong.. in the past you have been wrong, in the present you are wrong, and I am not going to proclaim to know if you will continue to be wrong in the future, even though you have a pretty strongly wrongly pattern going on.  Sorry bout dat.   Cry Cry Cry Cry

fall 2021 I bonds = over 7%
spring 2022 I bonds = over 9%
fall 2022 I bonds = close to 6.89%

Yes.. they are desperate.. and they are trying to suck you in.. which surely is partially successful in getting retail to make up for some of the governments that are trying to get away from supporting USD systems, such as China, Saudi, Russia.. and some others... but yeah.. it might still continue to work for another cycle or two.. (are we talking 4 year cycles or 12 year cycles?)...


These numbers hurt all crypto bigly.

No they don't.  suck guys like you in.  That's fine. whatever... but no need to pump that bullshit, here.

in 2021 over 3.3 trill in I bonds could be purchased
in 2022 over 3.3 trill in I bonds could be purchased
in 2023 over 3.3 trill in I bonds can be purchased

Yeah. they have to be purchased... Old debt has to be rolled over into new debt.. and good thing that there are suckers like you willing to buy it... if suckers like you do not buy, and other institutions and governments do not buy, then guess who is buying?  The USGovt will end up buying them, and how are they going to do it?  They will have to print.. .. and if production does not go up high enough, they will be printing higher than the ability continue to service and roll over that debt.. it is truly a sad state of affairs that we are in.. and you seem to not only be buying it hook line and sinker, you are promoting such strategy as if it would actually be good for people to do.. (even implying, instead of bitcoin.. which seems misinformed and lacking in understanding)

with proper managing you could be getting rates in the 6.89 to 9.62%. for Nov 2021 until Nov 2023

this is a huge drag on all crypto.

including BTC

Of course, you are so excited that you are repeating yourself.

I don't have problems putting some money into those things, but don't think that they are something that guys/gals should be allocating very much into or even talking about in this thread as if they were some kind of meaningful bitcoin substitute.. .and fuck shitcoins.. who gives any shit about the extent to which US bonds are competing with shitcoins.. Of course, even shitcoins are related to ways in which normies fail/refuse to get their BTC investment allocations figured out... which has to do with figuring out a budget, and then figuring how much BTC to accumulate and how to accumulate and over what period of time.  Keep your eye on the prize...even if you (philip) may well already be a lost cause which continues to show itself in your ongoing lack of focus posts and promoting nonsensical distractions.

What do you think WO?
I think we’re going to see the bottom in the following 30 days max.
I’m not convinced we’ve seen the bottom already either, there has not been enough blood on the streets bro, no crash-panicky-wick and no extreme FUD.
Just some salty banker statements.

Rooting for January.
Not that we care - much - yo.

Yeah.. sure. there could be another lower low in January.. but it surely is not a condition precedent that is needed in order for BTC prices to go up and for the bottom to be in.

Maybe we get a further bottom.. and maybe we don't.

Maybe such bottom is quick and a wick and maybe it is not.  
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He is in the Nosebleeds being dissapointed...

How da fak, does a Bitcoin friendly AI get disappointed?
If anything, it should remain extra thick.



Yo philip. Are you a horse lover/whisperer?
Asking because “Phillip”, means exactly that, hence I was wondering.

lover of horse's was true from 4-29

I spent a lot of years at racetrack's ,but now I am a lover of Judy  

(my wife) from 29-65

Middle name is Maurice (moorish for the 'dark one')

Still a bit dark

Some people call him the space cowboy, yeah
Some call him the gangster of love
Some people call him Maurice
'Cause he speaks of the pompatus of love


I had a girlfriend in the Navy she would play that song for me quite a bit.  1978-1980 was when I hung round with her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV3AziKTBUo

we rented an apartment in Lemon Grove home of the best climate on earth.




walking distance to this sign/statue
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Just got the Plaid email from coinbase. Not acceptable. Who else are we liking to be able to sell BTC through?

the plaid email confuses me. I am not sure why I need do it.

coinbase has all my kyc.

my drivers license

my social security


my home address

my bank

my PayPal

I am completely trackable on my coinbase account so why is it I need to do plaid?

my bank
my PayPal

are all fully kyc so what more do they want?


in plaid you give them your bank account login and password...this is crazy and I am not sure if it is even legal (it shouldn't be).
I also got Coinbase email.
Unfortunately, Kraken doesn't do ACH in NY and Texas, otherwise, I would say: Kraken (albeit some said that they also use plaid for something).
One possible solution: Chase, PNC and Capital One don't use plaid.
I intent on waiting until Jan 9 reset, then see if i can choose not to use plaid with the current bank account.
If not, I will look at other options.
BTW, someone mentioned that if you activate 2FA on the bank account, plaid cannot work, so I surmise that it would be logical to provide an alternative venue.

Yeah can't give my password to them. Well this should be fun.
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2:30 PM EST.
Fed does 50 basis points and we rally up to 19k

When gonna happen?

I saw $18,373 flash before my eyes.... like a dream

strongpaws

Preparing for Christmas turkey.

The further we pull away from $15,000 the more likely it is that the bottom is in (obvious, right).
Market is looking good at the moment but I’m still only 50/50 that we’ve seen the bottom. I’ll be convinced if we hit mid 2023 over $25,000. Binance is making me nervous at the moment, apart from that though, I don’t see any Black Swan events?

What do you think WO?

Bashing on Binance seems like opportunism.. and I doubt it is going to pay off...   Just because FTX was engaged in outrageous shenanigans does not mean that Binance is doing the same.. even if there are some aspects that are similar.. .. The level of bullshit at FTX is beyond outrageous.. and CZ is not even close to being that level of clown.

It's like the historical (nothing burger) bashing on Tether.  Tends to be no there there...

Of course, the fucktwats in DC and other bitcoin naysaying powers that be peeps are going to also try to use as much opportunism as they can muster to go after CZ and .. I have doubts about whether they have anything concrete on him.. even though they will continue to make shit up..

And, maybe like the negativity around silk road in late 2013, there is going to end up being a kind of Streisand effect in terms of ongoingly people are figuring out more and more about bitcoin.. even though there are a lot of confused folks too.. so whether the bottom is in, yes. 50/50 or more likely 49/51 since we gotta get some MOAR and better UPpity.. to get my lil precious out of this current bear market.. and I am really not sure about your assessment of taking until mid-2023 to get to $25k would be enough.. .. though I can appreciate that you have specified both price and time in such a way that it might be reasonable to consider as enough to get us out of our current bear market - even though I am also considering that there might be some upward explosion at some point that would reck some shorts.. and that could happen at any time.. though still might be a wee bit too optimistic to expect any UPpity recking price events from the honey badger in the coming 6-ish months... even though never say never.. and it would be kind of satisfying to see some of the fucktwats  getting recked on the way down and then reckt again on the way up.. two-way reckenings of the overly leveraging gamblers (and likely some less than deserving manipulators getting caught in there too).
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$ Cash. Thank God USA exists otherwise people would suffer even more. Plugging Bitcoin in such a Country is just convenient for Bitcoin but not the people

Of course bitcoin does not completely negate the potential utility of physical cash..... even though bitcoin is superior than physical cash systems as we currently know them to be..  and surely it will take a long time for bitcoin to completely subsume all monetary value systems through the failure (and inferiority that will continue to be exhibited through various inferior systems, including physical cash like the dollar as we currently know it today), but even then there are other forms of value, besides monetary value that will be retained by other goods, services, assets.. and perhaps some other forms of cash will exist.. even though they might end up having to be issued on bitcoin. .or through some kind of system that is pegged to bitcoin.. but no need to rush these matters that could take decades, if not centuries to sort out the various kinds of value and even the figuring out of how the various shitcoins or value systems are inferior to bitcoin. .at least in terms of sorting through Gresham law principles which exist whether you believe in them or not or even whether you advocate for them or not.

Why are you guys saying its a trap pump? If anything this seems like insiders buying in after hearing some good news which is yet to be revealed.
I actually don't ...

BUT

it's EOY, manager bonuses about to be payed out, gains (*g*) to be taken, taxes about to be payed, christmas shenanigans about to be financed soon.
I reckon there is some downward potential around the corner, but apart from that, King Daddy will just be going on doing his thing  Grin

King daddy likely gives few shits about calendar year dynamics, even though sure there could be some of these kinds of short-term affects on BTC price.. .. which yeah I seem to largely be saying the same things as you OOM.

when I was dismissed as a nut job and a conspiracy theorist

Who would-a thunk?

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