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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 26364. (Read 26708702 times)

legendary
Activity: 1470
Merit: 1007
Even deliberate selling to move prices down requires coins.
You are putting way too much faith in the integrity of the exchanges and third part wallet services.

There is nothing that stops Bitstamp (deliberately or via subversion) from giving sellers infinite paper btc to trade with. They can get away with it as long as most people don't try to withdraw their coins. If they suddenly started making it hard for people to get their bitcoins back, that would be a possible indicator of this.

There is also nothing that stops Coinbase from loaning out customer btc deposits to short sellers. We'd never know if they had done so.


I really don't understand this...

I know you as a reasonable, knowledgeable poster. And, yes, what you describe is a possibility, but so is the claim that the entire 2013 rally was driven by Willy (which I don't believe either, for the record).

So why is it so hard to entertain the possibility that we're seeing the breach of the dam as a result of built-up selling pressure? We had a good rally to $680, from there on things started looking difficult, selling pressure was extremely subdued at first (for a number of reasons, but imo, mainly because the "hodl" mantra actually took hold - no pun intended), but without further fiat inflow and subsequent positive price action, it is only a matter of time before the sell-offs kick in.

Or am I being naive for considering this the most likely reason for what we're seeing now?
full member
Activity: 189
Merit: 100
People who are thinking of selling, I would like remind that in daily we are very oversold so there's big risk that you end up sell too cheap. This forum is very bearish in times like these and it can make you do irrational decisions that you end up regretting later. If you have fiat, good, this is great buying opportunity and might get even lower but if you don't have fiat, then i suggest that you hold, at least to the next bounce and even then don't sell all of your coins!
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
Bitfinex is leading the down trend again!




http://heartbit.io/app?item=BTC&platform=BITFINEX¤cy=USD

it would be really cool if you can somehow show the amount Bought vs amount Sold for any given period.

we could see that there is as much buying ( if not more ) as there is selling here,  i think.... would be very valuable piece of info in times like these.
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
Bitfinex margin calls FLASH CRASH to $1 in 3... 2... 1...

They have already implemented features to prevent this... sorry
Well the flash crash that we just saw yesterday to $450 was just basically that.

Yes that was the implementation working. I have many open longs, 2 of which should have closed around 460 and they did not. Therefore a flash crash of closing longs will not happen. The crash to 451 was sells not cascading margins.
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
For every sell there is a buy. If you actually think about it, I win when they sell into my bids. It means I got the price I wanted, not the other way around.
I'm not an idiot. If it drops to $10 you could say the same silly argument. The point is that it's not being MAINTAINED at any of the "cheap" points people keep touting. Whether it's $550, $525, or $500. And it'll keep slipping, because to expect ~$1.5million in new capital every single day is preposterous at such an early stage of BTC's life.
member
Activity: 112
Merit: 10
So cheap yet no one is buying. Makes sense

fonsie and his friends have asked for "cheap" coins since $680, did they buy? nope, they fool you to buy and sell at the other side

mark them as SCAMMERs
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
So cheap yet no one is buying. Makes sense

For every sell there is a buy. If you actually think about it, I win when they sell into my bids. It means I got the price I wanted, not the other way around.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
legendary
Activity: 1400
Merit: 1013
Even deliberate selling to move prices down requires coins.
You are putting way too much faith in the integrity of the exchanges and third part wallet services.

There is nothing that stops Bitstamp (deliberately or via subversion) from giving sellers infinite paper btc to trade with. They can get away with it as long as most people don't try to withdraw their coins. If they suddenly started making it hard for people to get their bitcoins back, that would be a possible indicator of this.

There is also nothing that stops Coinbase from loaning out customer btc deposits to short sellers. We'd never know if they had done so.
copper member
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1465
Clueless!
anything to this ..margin calls and market manipulation causing the btc to drop so whales can play games?

(yep i'm naive....let me have it ...but got to ask ...)

anyway anything to this as stated by this article?

http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/08/14/bitbeat-bitcoin-price-suffers-margin-pains-dishs-bitcoin-option-goes-live/

or it just the usual with bitcoin wtf is going on is subject to interpetation ....ie no one has any idea

Searing
sr. member
Activity: 546
Merit: 250
Huge dumps but price not moving that much. Are dumpers buying coins now I wonder?
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner

Usually a chart like this is fairly bullish.  Very strange, the wave keeps going the other way "against" gravity...

its become pretty clear to all whatsup

so Mr manipulator is thinking  "its now or never"

i'm thinking the same thing.

BUY!

People like us rarely buying, there is some panic sell too.
I talked some of my friend who want to sell, but I told them to hold.

tell your friends when its becomes a good idea to sell bitcoin, its value will already be 0, so theres no use in thinking about selling.

also if you sell a highly volatile highly risky investment when its "crashing" you need to go to the bank and ask them to manage your money for you.
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500
Bitfinex margin calls FLASH CRASH to $1 in 3... 2... 1...

They have already implemented features to prevent this... sorry
Well the flash crash that we just saw yesterday to $450 was just basically that.
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 1000
sr. member
Activity: 280
Merit: 250
So cheap yet no one is buying. Makes sense
hero member
Activity: 784
Merit: 1000
Bitfinex margin calls FLASH CRASH to $1 in 3... 2... 1...

They have already implemented features to prevent this... sorry
legendary
Activity: 2576
Merit: 2267
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bitcoin game over!
do NOT buy bitcoin, bitcoin is going to nowhere but down! buy more lose more! cut loose now!

The only way to be safe is to rid yourself of your coins as quickly as possible. Forward them to the following address where they will be safely disposed of...
hero member
Activity: 742
Merit: 500

Usually a chart like this is fairly bullish.  Very strange, the wave keeps going the other way "against" gravity...
IT's not bullish because people don't bother putting sell orders they just market dump, that's why the ask looks like that.
legendary
Activity: 1904
Merit: 1037
Trusted Bitcoiner
bitcoin game over!
do NOT buy bitcoin, bitcoin is going to nowhere but down! buy more lose more! cut loose now!

YES WE KNOW YOU ARE A BIG FAN OF THE MOVIE FOOTLOOSE!

Please don't quote him.

Even deliberate selling to move prices down requires coins. Sellers must exhaust soon.

they have deep pockets, they can accumulate and dump as long as market lets them.

right now seems to be working wonders.
sr. member
Activity: 350
Merit: 253
Don't tell me you guys forgot that Friday is dump day.

To anyone who still doubts my powers, I called this literally five minutes before the massive dump on bitstamp.

Don't listen to false prophets like Risto. If you don't want to wind up in the soup line this year, listen to guys like me and falllllling.
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