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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Zero, zilch, nada, not going to happen.

$4000 by the end of next year... unlikely but certainly possible.

$4000 by the end of this year... I will ride along the ocean with a magical unicorn on my way to seizing control of the entire universe before that happens. Understand? NO!!! Not .000000000000000000000001% chance.... just ZERO!


o.k.   How about $3,900?    Tongue Roll Eyes Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Wink   
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Zero, zilch, nada, not going to happen.

$4000 by the end of next year... unlikely but certainly possible.

$4000 by the end of this year... I will ride along the ocean with a magical unicorn on my way to seizing control of the entire universe before that happens. Understand? NO!!! Not .000000000000000000000001% chance.... just ZERO!
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Dude, somebody in one of the other posts said that there was a 25% chance that BTC would be valued at over $4000 by the end of the year (only a few months away). Drugs. Don't do drugs, kids. Jesus.

And you would have gotten the same response if you made the same claim about $1000 on this date last year.

Different market, man. $4000 might be possible one day... not by the end of the year in a post-Gox environment where we are still working out the regulatory terrain. This is where technical analysis is dangerous and gets a bad name... math would tell you that $4,000 by the end of the year is possible, but if you look up from the calculator and think about the real world you know that it isn't going to happen (and certainly not a 25% in the next few months). Fundamentals and technical analysis should be used together to avoid this... the fundamentals are actually pretty positive despite the need to work out retailer dumps (give the coins to your employees people), but not nearly $4000+ positive.

It's just not going to happen. It's not even close to possible. It isn't like even a lottery chance where it is a super long-shot maybe. It's just not happening. Not in the next few months. Period.



You are NOT quite being clear in your above statement.   Surely, I appreciate and understand why you believe that 25% chance for $4,000 before the end of the year is too optimistic; however, are you giving $4,000 by the end of the year a 0% chance or something like a .001% chance or some other number?

I find it a little discrediting when posters begin to dig themselves into such a state of emphatic and become absolutist(s) in their language.



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Ascending triangle on the 30 minute charts.  Bullish if we can break thru 550 (or 555, depending on how you draw the lines).
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Commencing Chinese Mega Dump in T minus 1 hour.

legendary
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Don't worry, the next big rally is around the corner. It's just waiting for me to sell my coins.


What is your trigger for selling your coins?

$3k ?

Please tell me you meant ¥3k (meh... I'll spot you ¥4k or ¥5k... but let's not get carried away, here).
I have changed my mind ... sooo I'll sell @$5k+ :-), (and will buy more, if price go down)

Crack kills.
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C'mon... all Street would be dumb to share the profits with you all at this point. What is going to happen is this... they will keep dumping and manipulating until the leveraged longs get wiped out. There will be a cascade. Many long-time players will fold. They'll buy a ton up cheap. Then they'll work the price up to about $1000... people will pop in out of the wood work, again... then Wall Street will steal their lunch money again. Rinse and repeat. This is merely a more volatile microcosm of the larger system now.

A fair price minus all of the bull---- is probably about $575 to $650, but games will be played. Get ready to catch some coins at $200 and don't let these rich bastards take all of your lunch money.


In general, I think you are right, however:
Everytime I talk to people about btc, their biggest smug smiles comes when they say, "Oh, and it is only half the price it was last year, right?  All those people lost money, right?  Right?"  Well, yeah, they are down 50%.  Yeah, they lost money. Yeah, the price is still dropping.

If Wall Street comes in and crashes the price, it will do serious damage to the future of btc.  They will have to moderate their short term greed in order to make more money later.  I am not sure they know how to moderate their greed, but I hope they learn.


This is a wonderful point. If they were wise they'd let it flourish so that they could reap greater profits later. This is especially so because if people start to think the game is rigged and that they are playing against the house then there are fewer counterparties for Wall Street to play against.

That said, I think that they see this as their time to make profits -- they see the expansion of too many Altcoins diluting the field, the potential for dumps, the carelessness of attracting retailers without working out how they would exit those positions (they should have set as a standard the issuing of BTC to employees... get more mainstream adoption and fewer price dumps), and the flood of new regulations (Lawsky is the tip of the iceberg and CFPB is a bad omen).

I still think we are oversold if this is a straight market, but what I actually expect to happen is for Wall Street to rip out what they can now while they still know they can rip something out of it. Maybe I am too much the pessimist.
legendary
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Please do not PM me loan requests!
I think we're going to see sub-500. But it's not like that's a bad thing... In fact, we'd get a lot of cheap coins if anything Grin

As for ath? Maybe not this year, or next year. We're probably in the adoption chasm right now, so what we need is for who we have now to start making it easier for the masses to use bitcoin. As this'll take a while, both with the development of any such projects and the adoption as a result, we won't have a "rally" for quite some time.

But that's okay. We have a lot to work with. What we should care about is the services making bitcoin easy to use. Things like Circle or Trezor.
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C'mon... all Street would be dumb to share the profits with you all at this point. What is going to happen is this... they will keep dumping and manipulating until the leveraged longs get wiped out. There will be a cascade. Many long-time players will fold. They'll buy a ton up cheap. Then they'll work the price up to about $1000... people will pop in out of the wood work, again... then Wall Street will steal their lunch money again. Rinse and repeat. This is merely a more volatile microcosm of the larger system now.

A fair price minus all of the bull---- is probably about $575 to $650, but games will be played. Get ready to catch some coins at $200 and don't let these rich bastards take all of your lunch money.


In general, I think you are right, however:
Everytime I talk to people about btc, their biggest smug smiles comes when they say, "Oh, and it is only half the price it was last year, right?  All those people lost money, right?  Right?"  Well, yeah, they are down 50%.  Yeah, they lost money. Yeah, the price is still dropping.

If Wall Street comes in and crashes the price, it will do serious damage to the future of btc.  They will have to moderate their short term greed in order to make more money later.  I am not sure they know how to moderate their greed, but I hope they learn.
legendary
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Don't worry, the next big rally is around the corner. It's just waiting for me to sell my coins.


What is your trigger for selling your coins?

$3k ?

Please tell me you meant ¥3k (meh... I'll spot you ¥4k or ¥5k... but let's not get carried away, here).
I have changed my mind ... sooo I'll sell @$5k+ :-), (and will buy more, if price go down)
legendary
Activity: 2772
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Price boringly around the 550's for the last few hours. Hope the western's night will bring some good movement today.

Also will the new rally start ty october again? Exactly one year ago we are recovering from a bottom, so all of sudden the big rise of october has begun
full member
Activity: 238
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Don't worry, the next big rally is around the corner. It's just waiting for me to sell my coins.


What is your trigger for selling your coins?

$3k ?

Please tell me you meant ¥3k (meh... I'll spot you ¥4k or ¥5k... but let's not get carried away, here).
legendary
Activity: 1414
Merit: 1000
Don't worry, the next big rally is around the corner. It's just waiting for me to sell my coins.


What is your trigger for selling your coins?

$3k ?
legendary
Activity: 3934
Merit: 11405
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Don't worry, the next big rally is around the corner. It's just waiting for me to sell my coins.


What is your trigger for selling your coins?
full member
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The only question that matters is what is the bottom. Not where we will go after that because we aren't there, yet... that's not a decision point. The decision point is where we are in relation to a bottom right now. Frankly, I don't think anybody knows (or could know) given the leverage at play. These $4000+ bulltards and 16 to 1 longs (you can do this on Plus500) in the middle of a bear market need some serious help though. http://www.gamblersanonymous.org/ga/
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All the people worth reading like TERA were driven away by the HODL-tards for giving contrarian views. After all the juvenile attacks against them, why would they come back? All you delusional bulls have each other now.

There have been countless others that have come through here only to be driven off.  It doesn't matter if they're bulls or bears, there's absolutely no control here, and after the removal of noobie jail it's just gotten worse.  Couple that with a mod who's asleep at the wheel, or a general bull-troll himself and what do you expect?

These forums have absolutely gone to shit since the beginning of 2013.
Start reporting stuff? This particular thread aside (which by the way is moderated by Adam), I do clean up, but it's largely invisible since the actual bad stuff is deleted. I could clamp down harder on thread quality control, but there simply aren't that many new topics created so that would detract from how fresh page 1 is.

I'm also sad that TERA is gone.
You are doing a great job. But maybe you could lobby Theymos into introducing ability to ignore by activity level? Something like "see only legendary and heroes" (yes, I won't be visible too Smiley).

This place is getting more and more cult-ish every day.

We must not expose ourselves to those outside the core community... only the wisdom from the senior members  Cheesy Cheesy

I am not quite as bearish as you, but, yes, we have a cult on our hands. I think the thought is that if they only hear positive news from people saying we are going to be up to $4,000+ by the end of the year (this is truly a laughable statement), that it might just come true. If they are only trading with other delusional bulls maybe the game can go on forever.
sr. member
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All the people worth reading like TERA were driven away by the HODL-tards for giving contrarian views. After all the juvenile attacks against them, why would they come back? All you delusional bulls have each other now.

There have been countless others that have come through here only to be driven off.  It doesn't matter if they're bulls or bears, there's absolutely no control here, and after the removal of noobie jail it's just gotten worse.  Couple that with a mod who's asleep at the wheel, or a general bull-troll himself and what do you expect?

These forums have absolutely gone to shit since the beginning of 2013.
Start reporting stuff? This particular thread aside (which by the way is moderated by Adam), I do clean up, but it's largely invisible since the actual bad stuff is deleted. I could clamp down harder on thread quality control, but there simply aren't that many new topics created so that would detract from how fresh page 1 is.

I'm also sad that TERA is gone.
You are doing a great job. But maybe you could lobby Theymos into introducing ability to ignore by activity level? Something like "see only legendary and heroes" (yes, I won't be visible too Smiley).

This place is getting more and more cult-ish every day.

We must not expose ourselves to those outside the core community... only the wisdom from the senior members  Cheesy Cheesy
full member
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C'mon... all Street would be dumb to share the profits with you all at this point. What is going to happen is this... they will keep dumping and manipulating until the leveraged longs get wiped out. There will be a cascade. Many long-time players will fold. They'll buy a ton up cheap. Then they'll work the price up to about $1000... people will pop in out of the wood work, again... then Wall Street will steal their lunch money again. Rinse and repeat. This is merely a more volatile microcosm of the larger system now.

A fair price minus all of the bull---- is probably about $575 to $650, but games will be played. Get ready to catch some coins at $200 and don't let these rich bastards take all of your lunch money.

legendary
Activity: 3934
Merit: 11405
Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
ah, big players, whales and other mythical beings.

well, market does not give a fukk about them.

...until they paint the ticker. What if some big player in accumulation mode is buying directly from pools/OTC, maybe with the 'excuse' that is an ETF/institutional investors who wants just 'clean'/virgin coins. They would use an exchange price as reference so the accumulator would have a big incentive to sell some on the exchanges while buying more OTC to buy as low as possible.

+1 This is what I have been saying too. Wink

I've thought about this theory for quite a while now. The only thing I can't figure out is how many coins they are buying from miners. The most they can buy from a large mining group that doesn't pay out its individual pool members is under 800 coins a day. So why dump so much to only get 800 coins for such a small discount?

There are 3,600 new coins mined every day..... so a accumulator could have multiple buying contracts... therefore theoretically get up to 3600 per day if they were slick about it and were able to accomplish such.  Where do you get 800 (which is only 22% of the total BTC mined per day)?
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Sorry man, I went to bed shortly after this post. but... Take a look at the mining pool chart, all big miners are pools, that pay out individuals, so they would not be able to buy those coins. The biggest private pool mines less the 20% of the coins. That is the biggest chunk they can buy from one entity. I am a miner and I hoard my coins, so they aren't buying them off market. This goes for 80% of the coins mined

I thought that you were getting at something like your above explanation, and that is why I suggested the acquisition of several BTC purchasing contracts..... ...

But in the end, maybe you are correct, and there is NOT much ability to acquire a large number of coins off exchange on a sufficiently regular basis in order to manipulate BTC exchange prices downward.   Huh
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