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Hm? Dump started on BFX
It seems to have started around 2:00 UTC on Huobi and OKCoin, and at about 2:12 on Bitfinex.  At 2:12 the Chinese exchanges were already halfway through it.

I cannot prove that the late May pump and the recent dumps have Chinese causes, but at least there are some relevant events and vaguely possible explanations in that bucket, but none in the "Western thing" bucket.


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Why is this sudden dump?
Apparently it started in China, several minutes before Bitstamp/Bitfinex.



Hm? Dump started on BFX

People selling because a rally isnt coming.


Is there better source of info on the current amount of Bitfinex longs than this https://www.bitfinex.com/pages/stats?

It seems that the info there is very delayed.

Btw, Finex longs still hovering around 30M, despite all this falling. Strange.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I am wondering whether it is time to buy or not. No sleep for me, I guess.

i guess a good night sleep isn't very valuable to you?

most common rookie bitcoiner mistake.

set an order and get some sleep...

yeah, after being sleep deprived and feeling deranged, i don't think you'd be in the best situation to make the right call.

Thanks for your concern.  Wink I would buy some BTC straight away as I was about to for some time if it wasn't for this "will it fall terribly low or go up?" situation, really. I'm not afraid of fluctuations, but when people say the price may fall to 500$ it may be better for me to wait for a while...


This BTC investment matter does NOT need to be all or NOTHING, and really it remains quite risky to attempt to predict the market exactly.

Let's say that you have $1,000 that you want to invest in BTC;however, you are worried about whether the price will go down to $500.  Well, why don't you use approximately half of the $1,000 ($500), and buy some BTC now?  If the price goes down to $500, then you can use the other $500 or at that point you may have more to invest.  or if at that point you believe it is going down some more, then buy another $250 and wait to see if BTC prices go down more.

It is generally less safe to attempt to time the market and attempt to bet all or NOTHING b/c inevitably it remains difficult to predict.



I just didn't wanted to wake up with knowledge that I could have waited one day and buy for a better price. It's hard to argue with your logic, though. I will follow your advice. Cheers.

He's telling you to catch a falling knife.  LOL.   Bad advice

I don't think so.  If you believe in the fundamentals, then you believe that ultimately the price is going to go up.  Each investor has to come to their own conclusions regarding what they believe based on the information that they have at their disposal.. and sometimes there are leaps of faith involved in such beliefs.

What fundamentals?   A purely speculative asset has no fundamentals

The only real economy where things were priced in bitcoins was silk road

You can conclude until you are blue in the face that we should treat BTC like any other asset class or to suggest that it is NOT tangible and throw out a variety of other mainstream derogatory arguments, but that does NOT change the fact that BTC has several innovations that have NEVER been tried before in the same vehicle.  I am NOT going to go through and argue all the basics of BTC and BTC 101 - b/c those have been batted about through all kinds of forums, including this thread.  You may need  to read up, if you believe that BTC is some flash in the pan pump and dump.  BTC has continued extended adoption and continued and extended investments and continued and extended liquidation avenues.  IN other words, BTC prices are going up, it is just a matter of time, whether it is this week or whether it is within the next year or possibly, worse case scenario a little longer than that....

In any event, the odds are that BTC prices will be going to $700 and beyond in the next few months and then past $850 and into the $3k to 5K range by mid 2015.  Surely, this prediction may be off a little bit, but the idea remains that BTC is on its way up, rather than down.





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I am wondering whether it is time to buy or not. No sleep for me, I guess.

i guess a good night sleep isn't very valuable to you?

most common rookie bitcoiner mistake.

set an order and get some sleep...

yeah, after being sleep deprived and feeling deranged, i don't think you'd be in the best situation to make the right call.

Thanks for your concern.  Wink I would buy some BTC straight away as I was about to for some time if it wasn't for this "will it fall terribly low or go up?" situation, really. I'm not afraid of fluctuations, but when people say the price may fall to 500$ it may be better for me to wait for a while...


This BTC investment matter does NOT need to be all or NOTHING, and really it remains quite risky to attempt to predict the market exactly.

Let's say that you have $1,000 that you want to invest in BTC;however, you are worried about whether the price will go down to $500.  Well, why don't you use approximately half of the $1,000 ($500), and buy some BTC now?  If the price goes down to $500, then you can use the other $500 or at that point you may have more to invest.  or if at that point you believe it is going down some more, then buy another $250 and wait to see if BTC prices go down more.

It is generally less safe to attempt to time the market and attempt to bet all or NOTHING b/c inevitably it remains difficult to predict.



I just didn't wanted to wake up with knowledge that I could have waited one day and buy for a better price. It's hard to argue with your logic, though. I will follow your advice. Cheers.

He's telling you to catch a falling knife.  LOL.   Bad advice

thats not what hes saying

hes saying, realize you are not a god and there for cannot predict price movement, so dont try, just have a plan should it go lower.

Exactamente!!!!!  The plan of investing while the price is going down does NOT need to be exactly how I described it b/c I quickly outlined a viable way to think about preparing for downward BTC price manipulations.

For example, I have had about $800 of BTC allocated in fiat for over a month, and I have been just waiting and waiting and waiting for when to buy with that $800.  In about a week, I have another $2,000 coming in.  That $800 will become $2800.  I will probably buy about $1,400 with that, and just wait to see what happens regarding the other $1,400.  I hate to run out completely of BTC allocated fiat - just in case the BTC price goes down some more.

'Twas a good read, gents. Thank you. I guess that I'll observe charts for a while and then I'll decide how much to spend on my first BTC order.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I am wondering whether it is time to buy or not. No sleep for me, I guess.

i guess a good night sleep isn't very valuable to you?

most common rookie bitcoiner mistake.

set an order and get some sleep...

yeah, after being sleep deprived and feeling deranged, i don't think you'd be in the best situation to make the right call.

Thanks for your concern.  Wink I would buy some BTC straight away as I was about to for some time if it wasn't for this "will it fall terribly low or go up?" situation, really. I'm not afraid of fluctuations, but when people say the price may fall to 500$ it may be better for me to wait for a while...


This BTC investment matter does NOT need to be all or NOTHING, and really it remains quite risky to attempt to predict the market exactly.

Let's say that you have $1,000 that you want to invest in BTC;however, you are worried about whether the price will go down to $500.  Well, why don't you use approximately half of the $1,000 ($500), and buy some BTC now?  If the price goes down to $500, then you can use the other $500 or at that point you may have more to invest.  or if at that point you believe it is going down some more, then buy another $250 and wait to see if BTC prices go down more.

It is generally less safe to attempt to time the market and attempt to bet all or NOTHING b/c inevitably it remains difficult to predict.



I just didn't wanted to wake up with knowledge that I could have waited one day and buy for a better price. It's hard to argue with your logic, though. I will follow your advice. Cheers.

He's telling you to catch a falling knife.  LOL.   Bad advice

thats not what hes saying

hes saying, realize you are not a god and there for cannot predict price movement, so dont try, just have a plan should it go lower.

A plan is having a stop loss.   Not keep buying as the price falls.   Thats the worse advice to give someone.   


In reality, we each have to come to our own conclusions concerning our beliefs of the long-term viability of BTC.  There may be a need for a stop loss, but really, I believe that a stop loss may depend upon news that BTC is broken, or something like that.... the trigger of a stop loss will likely be different for different people.


legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I am wondering whether it is time to buy or not. No sleep for me, I guess.

i guess a good night sleep isn't very valuable to you?

most common rookie bitcoiner mistake.

set an order and get some sleep...

yeah, after being sleep deprived and feeling deranged, i don't think you'd be in the best situation to make the right call.

Thanks for your concern.  Wink I would buy some BTC straight away as I was about to for some time if it wasn't for this "will it fall terribly low or go up?" situation, really. I'm not afraid of fluctuations, but when people say the price may fall to 500$ it may be better for me to wait for a while...


This BTC investment matter does NOT need to be all or NOTHING, and really it remains quite risky to attempt to predict the market exactly.

Let's say that you have $1,000 that you want to invest in BTC;however, you are worried about whether the price will go down to $500.  Well, why don't you use approximately half of the $1,000 ($500), and buy some BTC now?  If the price goes down to $500, then you can use the other $500 or at that point you may have more to invest.  or if at that point you believe it is going down some more, then buy another $250 and wait to see if BTC prices go down more.

It is generally less safe to attempt to time the market and attempt to bet all or NOTHING b/c inevitably it remains difficult to predict.



I just didn't wanted to wake up with knowledge that I could have waited one day and buy for a better price. It's hard to argue with your logic, though. I will follow your advice. Cheers.

He's telling you to catch a falling knife.  LOL.   Bad advice

thats not what hes saying

hes saying, realize you are not a god and there for cannot predict price movement, so dont try, just have a plan should it go lower.

Exactamente!!!!!  The plan of investing while the price is going down does NOT need to be exactly how I described it b/c I quickly outlined a viable way to think about preparing for downward BTC price manipulations.

For example, I have had about $800 of BTC allocated in fiat for over a month, and I have been just waiting and waiting and waiting for when to buy with that $800.  In about a week, I have another $2,000 coming in.  That $800 will become $2800.  I will probably buy about $1,400 with that, and just wait to see what happens regarding the other $1,400.  I hate to run out completely of BTC allocated fiat - just in case the BTC price goes down some more.
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is there some major reason that says the same thing wont happen as last time?
good news. More good news will undoubtedly drop the price  Cool
legendary
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Why is this sudden dump?
Apparently it started in China, several minutes before Bitstamp/Bitfinex.

The bitcoin press should be trying to understand and report on the situation in China.  Are the Huobi and OKCoin.CN clients migrating to the new offshore sites BitVC and OKCoin.COM?  Is BitVC going to trade in USD too, or only in CNY? (Or is that CNH?) Is OKCoin.COM going to be competitive to Bitstamp etc?  And so on...

Reporting on bitcoin without looking at China is like reporting on casinos without considering Las Vegas...


Hm? Dump started on BFX

People selling because a rally isnt coming.

1. No more Willy bot.
2. No buyers
3. No more good news can come out. Bitcoin is mainstream now and still no one cares.

Its all waiting on ETF now.
legendary
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Trusted Bitcoiner
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Adam how about a beer giveaway again? I send you the bits and you post funny pictures with QR codes in them. I'm too drunk/retarded to do that  Cheesy

Hmm. I wonder if I could extend Chartbuddy a little... Beerbuddy?

dont bother, its less fun if a bot hands out the beers

the beer give away is coming... there will be a shit tone of beer given away... the idea will be to get you guys super drunk as I dump my coins on an inflated price, so i'm waiting for some momentum to build and a few spikes up b4 i start getting you all drunk. mmmk  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

SOON
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HODL OR DIE
legendary
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this is getting depressing.. when looking at the charts stochRSI macd bla bla it looks freaky as it did before the nov bubble.. is there some major reason that says the same thing wont happen as last time?
hero member
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Why is this sudden dump?
Apparently it started in China, several minutes before Bitstamp/Bitfinex.

The bitcoin press should be trying to understand and report on the situation in China.  Are the Huobi and OKCoin.CN clients migrating to the new offshore sites BitVC and OKCoin.COM?  Is BitVC going to trade in USD too, or only in CNY? (Or is that CNH?) Is OKCoin.COM going to be competitive to Bitstamp etc?  And so on...

Reporting on bitcoin without looking at China is like reporting on casinos without considering Las Vegas...
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I am wondering whether it is time to buy or not. No sleep for me, I guess.

i guess a good night sleep isn't very valuable to you?

most common rookie bitcoiner mistake.

set an order and get some sleep...

yeah, after being sleep deprived and feeling deranged, i don't think you'd be in the best situation to make the right call.

Thanks for your concern.  Wink I would buy some BTC straight away as I was about to for some time if it wasn't for this "will it fall terribly low or go up?" situation, really. I'm not afraid of fluctuations, but when people say the price may fall to 500$ it may be better for me to wait for a while...


This BTC investment matter does NOT need to be all or NOTHING, and really it remains quite risky to attempt to predict the market exactly.

Let's say that you have $1,000 that you want to invest in BTC;however, you are worried about whether the price will go down to $500.  Well, why don't you use approximately half of the $1,000 ($500), and buy some BTC now?  If the price goes down to $500, then you can use the other $500 or at that point you may have more to invest.  or if at that point you believe it is going down some more, then buy another $250 and wait to see if BTC prices go down more.

It is generally less safe to attempt to time the market and attempt to bet all or NOTHING b/c inevitably it remains difficult to predict.



I just didn't wanted to wake up with knowledge that I could have waited one day and buy for a better price. It's hard to argue with your logic, though. I will follow your advice. Cheers.

He's telling you to catch a falling knife.  LOL.   Bad advice

I don't think so.  If you believe in the fundamentals, then you believe that ultimately the price is going to go up.  Each investor has to come to their own conclusions regarding what they believe based on the information that they have at their disposal.. and sometimes there are leaps of faith involved in such beliefs.
legendary
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Moar dumpage Sad 7777 seeming increasingly unlikely Sad
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
guys I think i found the next Alt thats going to get pumped beyond belief


https://www.ethereum.org/

your wellcome.

Ethereum sale is a sad occasion for the suckers who buy the vapor, but it's a boost for BTC.  You can't buy ETH without first getting BTC.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
This thread speculation is fun. It helps to demonstrate how absurd it is to speculate with unreasonable degrees of certainty anyway.

Stupid mods manipulating the thread count.

I expect blitz is trying to send us the message that "no one buys the 'above 7776' lie any more."

I doubt that the deletion of posts is coming from mods... it is coming from individuals (children) who are engaging in a concerted effort of solidarity to keep the post count down.  However, they can be successful for only so long... sooner or later, they will have NO more posts to delete, and then the inevitable 7777 comes and is surpassed.
legendary
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No buyers. Sub $500 likely.
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