Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 27065.

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Quote from: sickpig on June 24, 2014, 03:49:05 PM

what I really meant is: since the amount of new mined coins per day is something between 3000 and 5000 (*), do you really think this little volume will be so influential in moving down the price?

3000 coins is not dumped on the exchanges daily. Large parts (most?) of the coinbase is hoarded or sold in private.

Also please note that even if we can have short periods of more inflation due to the stepwise increase of the difficulty factor, it will be corrected.

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Quote from: sickpig on June 24, 2014, 03:49:05 PM

ok thanks

what I really meant is: since the amount of new mined coins per day is something between 3000 and 5000 (*), do you really think this little volume will be so influential in moving down the price?

(*) those days we're nearer to the upper bound due the growing global hashrate

It could be argued either way but after the last halving, the price rose though many thought it should have no effect.

When things are quiet like this, there's not a lot of people looking to buy so even a small increase in the supply could be enough to slow the upward effort. A steady climb is better overall though.

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Quote from: Dragonkiller on June 24, 2014, 03:38:48 PM

Quote from: sickpig on June 24, 2014, 03:38:08 PM

Quote from: Richy_T on June 24, 2014, 03:19:25 PM

Quote from: dropt on June 24, 2014, 10:40:00 AM

And, if it's not that, it's all of the new corporate mines that have popped up. Generally, IMO, they're not interested in Bitcoin other than to load up on fiat, and since these operations are huge they're taking most of the newly mined coins and dumping them on the market for fiat. In years past, the mining base was much more spread out and mining participants, on average, were more intereseted in building BTC reserves than the fiat equivalent. This concept coupled with the fact that at low prices the daily volume was much greater meant that any new coins mined that did make it to market had little effect on the exchange rate. Now, with higher price, lower volume, and corporate mines with no interest in holding BTC you get an ever increasing supply of fresh coins comparative to historical time frames.

That's an interesting postulation. Though if true, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm total newbie in regard of trading / price discovering etc... but I always wondered: if someone is selling someone else has to buy, am I right?

Yes.

ok thanks

what I really meant is: since the amount of new mined coins per day is something between 3000 and 5000 (*), do you really think this little volume will be so influential in moving down the price?

(*) those days we're nearer to the upper bound due the growing global hashrate

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Quote from: sickpig on June 24, 2014, 03:38:08 PM

Quote from: Richy_T on June 24, 2014, 03:19:25 PM

Quote from: dropt on June 24, 2014, 10:40:00 AM

And, if it's not that, it's all of the new corporate mines that have popped up. Generally, IMO, they're not interested in Bitcoin other than to load up on fiat, and since these operations are huge they're taking most of the newly mined coins and dumping them on the market for fiat. In years past, the mining base was much more spread out and mining participants, on average, were more intereseted in building BTC reserves than the fiat equivalent. This concept coupled with the fact that at low prices the daily volume was much greater meant that any new coins mined that did make it to market had little effect on the exchange rate. Now, with higher price, lower volume, and corporate mines with no interest in holding BTC you get an ever increasing supply of fresh coins comparative to historical time frames.

That's an interesting postulation. Though if true, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm total newbie in regard of trading / price discovering etc... but I always wondered: if someone is selling someone else has to buy, am I right?

Yes.

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Quote from: Richy_T on June 24, 2014, 03:19:25 PM

Quote from: dropt on June 24, 2014, 10:40:00 AM

And, if it's not that, it's all of the new corporate mines that have popped up. Generally, IMO, they're not interested in Bitcoin other than to load up on fiat, and since these operations are huge they're taking most of the newly mined coins and dumping them on the market for fiat. In years past, the mining base was much more spread out and mining participants, on average, were more intereseted in building BTC reserves than the fiat equivalent. This concept coupled with the fact that at low prices the daily volume was much greater meant that any new coins mined that did make it to market had little effect on the exchange rate. Now, with higher price, lower volume, and corporate mines with no interest in holding BTC you get an ever increasing supply of fresh coins comparative to historical time frames.

That's an interesting postulation. Though if true, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

I'm total newbie in regard of trading / price discovering etc... but I always wondered: if someone is selling someone else has to buy, am I right?

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Quote from: aminorex on June 24, 2014, 01:34:26 PM

... simia ex machina?

ROTFL
this is such a gem

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Quote from: uhoh on June 24, 2014, 02:37:16 PM

Has it been said anywhere how quickly the USM are going to be able to settle the coins to the winners?

Let's hope they don't mess up the transfer in the same way as the email Tongue

Why?

It would not surprise a lot of people Cheesy

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Quote from: pepo on June 24, 2014, 02:39:05 PM

Dont miss the hole point , every day 80.000 people start to use btc. A network worth growts exponentially when you add more users. Hold your coins and buy some tagged btc to the fbi

This number is ridiculously too high. Looking at gbianchi work, I would say 1000 new users a day is a maximum.

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Quote from: dropt on June 24, 2014, 10:40:00 AM

And, if it's not that, it's all of the new corporate mines that have popped up. Generally, IMO, they're not interested in Bitcoin other than to load up on fiat, and since these operations are huge they're taking most of the newly mined coins and dumping them on the market for fiat. In years past, the mining base was much more spread out and mining participants, on average, were more intereseted in building BTC reserves than the fiat equivalent. This concept coupled with the fact that at low prices the daily volume was much greater meant that any new coins mined that did make it to market had little effect on the exchange rate. Now, with higher price, lower volume, and corporate mines with no interest in holding BTC you get an ever increasing supply of fresh coins comparative to historical time frames.

That's an interesting postulation. Though if true, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

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Quote from: Skinnkavaj on June 24, 2014, 02:09:25 PM

Quote from: aminorex on June 24, 2014, 01:34:26 PM

Hmm. So now that the PBoC has begun to articulate a plan for integrating bitcoin into the Chinese economy, that should be bullish, right?
Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot. Some pocket change from SR 1.0 bust is intimidating everyone.
ShroomsKit is like a Sophoclean chorus to this drama.
Curious how the monkey seems almost to control everything...simia ex machina?

Source?

http://cointelegraph.com/news/111911/china-there-is-space-for-bitcoin-pboc-deputy-secretary

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/china-there-is-space-for-bitcoin-pboc-deputy-secretary-664022

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Quote from: windjc on June 24, 2014, 02:40:20 PM

Quote from: Nicholas-Carraway on June 24, 2014, 02:26:08 PM

If I were going to place a bid on a blind auction to buy bitcoins, and the auction was going to be closed in a couple days, I would put a bid in at $541.00 or $551.00. There seems to be good technical support at those areas and I would feel like there would be a good risk/reward ratio. I'd feel like I'd be able to make some money on a trade (eventually) and/or it would be a good price for a long term hold as well. If I didn't win I wouldn't be too disappointed. If I did win, I'd feel pretty certain I'd be able to do well either trading out or holding. Remember, I'd have to take out $200K out of money for the deposit that was otherwise working for me elsewhere, and the time-cost involved for the auction.

Where would you place your blind bid today for any amount of bitcoin?

Nick

It depends if you actually wanted to win the auction. If I wanted to win Id put my bid somewhere between $600 and $630.

Thank you for your honest reply. There are currently about 3100 coins on the Ask to $605 at Bitstamp. Did this influence your decision? I know there are other factors... Asks getting pulled, exchange risk, etc. Honestly just exploring what the winning bid(s) might be.

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Quote from: pepo on June 24, 2014, 02:39:05 PM

every day 80.000 people start to use btc

Where did you get that number?

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Quote from: windjc on June 24, 2014, 02:40:20 PM

It depends if you actually wanted to win the auction. If I wanted to win Id put my bid somewhere between $600 and $630.

So you are pretty confident that the coins will be sold above the exchange rate? I can see arguments for both sides, but it's all very murky to me.

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Quote from: Nicholas-Carraway on June 24, 2014, 02:26:08 PM

If I were going to place a bid on a blind auction to buy bitcoins, and the auction was going to be closed in a couple days, I would put a bid in at $541.00 or $551.00. There seems to be good technical support at those areas and I would feel like there would be a good risk/reward ratio. I'd feel like I'd be able to make some money on a trade (eventually) and/or it would be a good price for a long term hold as well. If I didn't win I wouldn't be too disappointed. If I did win, I'd feel pretty certain I'd be able to do well either trading out or holding. Remember, I'd have to take out $200K out of money for the deposit that was otherwise working for me elsewhere, and the time-cost involved for the auction.

Where would you place your blind bid today for any amount of bitcoin?

Nick

It depends if you actually wanted to win the auction. If I wanted to win Id put my bid somewhere between $600 and $630.

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Dont miss the hole point , every day 80.000 people start to use btc. A network worth growts exponentially when you add more users. Hold your coins and buy some tagged btc to the fbi

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Has it been said anywhere how quickly the USM are going to be able to settle the coins to the winners?

EDIT: Ignore me, doesn't look like its gonna be quick

Bitcoins will be transferred to winning bidders in the order that each winning bid was received. No bitcoin transfer will be made until the USMS has confirmed receipt of all purchase funds. The winning bidder(s) will be given private instructions related to the transferring of the bitcoins.

Let's hope they don't mess up the transfer in the same way as the email Tongue

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If I were going to place a bid on a blind auction to buy bitcoins, and the auction was going to be closed in a couple days, I would put a bid in at $541.00 or $551.00. There seems to be good technical support at those areas and I would feel like there would be a good risk/reward ratio. I'd feel like I'd be able to make some money on a trade (eventually) and/or it would be a good price for a long term hold as well. If I didn't win I wouldn't be too disappointed. If I did win, I'd feel pretty certain I'd be able to do well either trading out or holding. Remember, I'd have to take out $200K out of money for the deposit that was otherwise working for me elsewhere, and the time-cost involved for the auction.

Where would you place your blind bid today for any amount of bitcoin?

Nick

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