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when you guys cash out big bucks.. do ye pay the capital gains or what? im wonderin how to get around that lol

in the u.s., hold everything in a roth vehicle.  requires foresight.


Looks like he's in the UK (hello...)
As far as I can tell, you're taxed on income at the exchange rate at the time of earning.
Then if your bitcoins appreciate and you cash out, you are liable for capital gains on them, minus the £10k allowance of course.
There may will of course be ways around this for the tax savvy. I just haven't needed to find out yet.

ireland actually.. its really a grey area here.. no official statement has been released as to how to handle the tax on cryptos.. and also.. it they state bitcoin and not cryptocurrencies.. would that not be a loop hole so i can sach out to euro from another crypto?

I don't see why not. And don't worry, the Irish will follow whatever happens in Britain, eventually. Well that is the normal order of things, and I say that as an Irishman myself. Unsless an EU directive is released that changes that. Anyway.. you'd be right about the loophole, but i don't think they'll be THAT stupid (but it's Ireland, so ya never know!) i think eventually they'll come up with a bill copying Britain and call it virtual currency or cryptocurrency act or something. Until then, keep it small, and no one will know.
Unless you are self employed and do your own taxes, in which case you'd be liable for an audit if the DID suspect anything.
Otherwise, keep it small, and fly under the rada and they will never know.
legendary
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This is out of 330 million, right? The numbers are insignificant compared to the population. Still, it may indicate that someone knows something others don't.
You miss the point.
Interesting to see the connection between the IRS and renunciation of citizenship... could it be that the sovereignty movement is catching on and people are slowly realizing that nobody has the legal right to tax you (unless you consent of course)?

Meh, I suspect most of it is just that people want to move elsewhere and don't want the IRS permanently attached. Some will see some tax advantages (legal or otherwise) from renouncing citizenship and some will avoid legal issues by doing so (the aforementioned account closures for example). Some likely have never set foot in (US) America (A whole lot of Canadians are American citizens by virtue of one or more parent, for example) and are finding their lives complicated by these intrusive laws.

It is not a huge amount of people as yet, it's true. But it's indicative and the majority of these people are likely bright and high earners. They are taking their wealth and acumen elsewhere. Not to mention that the US was meant to stand for freedom and all that whatnot (Yes, that hasn't been the case for some time).
legendary
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when you guys cash out big bucks.. do ye pay the capital gains or what? im wonderin how to get around that lol

in the u.s., hold everything in a roth vehicle.  requires foresight.


Looks like he's in the UK (hello...)
As far as I can tell, you're taxed on income at the exchange rate at the time of earning.
Then if your bitcoins appreciate and you cash out, you are liable for capital gains on them, minus the £10k allowance of course.
There may will of course be ways around this for the tax savvy. I just haven't needed to find out yet.

ireland actually.. its really a grey area here.. no official statement has been released as to how to handle the tax on cryptos.. and also.. it they state bitcoin and not cryptocurrencies.. would that not be a loop hole so i can sach out to euro from another crypto?

That is a very interesting point. NXT is about to get a fiat exchange and that raises possibilities for me...
I suspect they'd take a dim view and I vaguely recall "bitcoin and bitcoin-like" language, but you might be onto something.  But if there's no regulation for Ireland then I guess you might get away with it. I'd still be inclined to put the relevant percentage in a safe interest-paying asset, in case they come knocking retrospectively.
legendary
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when you guys cash out big bucks.. do ye pay the capital gains or what? im wonderin how to get around that lol

in the u.s., hold everything in a roth vehicle.  requires foresight.


Looks like he's in the UK (hello...)
As far as I can tell, you're taxed on income at the exchange rate at the time of earning.
Then if your bitcoins appreciate and you cash out, you are liable for capital gains on them, minus the £10k allowance of course.
There may will of course be ways around this for the tax savvy. I just haven't needed to find out yet.

ireland actually.. its really a grey area here.. no official statement has been released as to how to handle the tax on cryptos.. and also.. it they state bitcoin and not cryptocurrencies.. would that not be a loop hole so i can sach out to euro from another crypto?
legendary
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Anyone here actually think that the $670 and/or the $675 wall will be eaten?

does a bear shit in the woods?
hero member
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This is out of 330 million, right? The numbers are insignificant compared to the population. Still, it may indicate that someone knows something others don't.
You miss the point.
Interesting to see the connection between the IRS and renunciation of citizenship... could it be that the sovereignty movement is catching on and people are slowly realizing that nobody has the legal right to tax you (unless you consent of course)?
legendary
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What i miss? Oh we're still at 666 ok going back to sleep

I prefer to think of it as "the 665-667 range".

 Grin

We're currently at "Neighbour of the Beast".
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Anyone here actually think that the $670 and/or the $675 wall will be eaten?

I think if any decent bites get taken, those walls will come down faster than a honeymooner's knickers...

N12
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You're never too old to think young.
What i miss? Oh we're still at 666 ok going back to sleep

I prefer to think of it as "the 665-667 range".

 Grin
legendary
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OT, but: The devil's resistance again?
legendary
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It's a trend until everything craps out and they repeal a whole bunch of the stupid laws.

That would be a novelty.  More likely they do another iteration of the n^2 thing with more laws.  This works until all the energy is sucked out of the system by rentier skim.  Then the substructure collapses. 

Unless by "repeal" you mean nuke D.C.


Both the US and the UK have reversed some of their ruinous tax policies in the past (Google "Brain drain"). It could be that they won't be able to do it this time but these pols tend to work out which side their bread is buttered eventually.
legendary
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Anyone here actually think that the $670 and/or the $675 wall will be eaten?
legendary
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1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k

This is out of 330 million, right? The numbers are insignificant compared to the population. Still, it may indicate that someone knows something others don't.

You miss the point.
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when you guys cash out big bucks.. do ye pay the capital gains or what? im wonderin how to get around that lol

in the u.s., hold everything in a roth vehicle.  requires foresight.


Looks like he's in the UK (hello...)
As far as I can tell, you're taxed on income at the exchange rate at the time of earning.
Then if your bitcoins appreciate and you cash out, you are liable for capital gains on them, minus the £10k allowance of course.
There may will of course be ways around this for the tax savvy. I just haven't needed to find out yet.

In the UK it depends how you receive them - if you are mining, or receive them for selling a service,  then you are taxed on them as income at the price they were at when you received them. (note if you are a corporate or self employed you can offset allowable business expenses - price of ASIC , electricity, hosting cost etc) also I do not think they attract VAT anymore - that was reversed I think. If you do not sell them immediatley but then sell them in the future at a different price then you pay capital gains tax on the change in value (or get a tax credit if the price has fallen)

EDIT note if you are VAT registered you can reclaim the VAT you paid buying the miner.

If you buy them and sell them (ie trade) then you are liable for capital gains tax on the profits @ 18 or 28%, depending if you are a basic or higher rate taxpayer.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
It's a trend until everything craps out and they repeal a whole bunch of the stupid laws.

That would be a novelty.  More likely they do another iteration of the n^2 thing with more laws.  This works until all the energy is sucked out of the system by rentier skim.  Then the substructure collapses. 

Unless by "repeal" you mean nuke D.C.
legendary
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when you guys cash out big bucks.. do ye pay the capital gains or what? im wonderin how to get around that lol

in the u.s., hold everything in a roth vehicle.  requires foresight.


Looks like he's in the UK (hello...)
As far as I can tell, you're taxed on income at the exchange rate at the time of earning.
Then if your bitcoins appreciate and you cash out, you are liable for capital gains on them, minus the £10k allowance of course.
There may will of course be ways around this for the tax savvy. I just haven't needed to find out yet.
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.

There are several banks around the world who are terminating accounts owned by American citizens due to attempted invasive requirements of the American government. It's getting to be quite a problem apparently and the amount of people renouncing American citizenship is spiking.




is it a bubble or a trend ?
This is out of 330 million, right? The numbers are insignificant compared to the population. Still, it may indicate that someone knows something others don't.
legendary
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Sine secretum non libertas
ECB -> announced negative rates and market expecting QE to be announced in 20ish minutes. Get out of them Euro and into them BTC.

+1, did we just witness for one of the first time a macro-related move Huh Yeah !


a major newssite called it the end of capitalism as we know it.

That's a load of sensationalistic journalism, there has been experiments with negative rates various places, though not on such a scale of course.

i don´t think this is sensationalistic journalism. it is the 5th year of the 2008 crisis and they have no other tool than this very last one. if it fails (and i think it will) what will they do next ?

Wealth Taxes and Savings Sequestration

+1  and Europe won't be the last to do it.
legendary
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I feel this should be the bitcoin anthem....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DbWdcCa7NA&hd=1

"When fiat is just a memory..."
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