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legendary
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Another quick poll: is there anyone here at all who does not believe that, by 2027, 1 BTC will buy all the wealth in the world?  Wink

We always have you.

If everybody else believe that, they are obviously wrong.

The best outcome (for bitcoin) will be that all bitcoins, not one, will have all the savings value in the world, all the value that people will have in reserve for a shorter or longer time. This is not related at all to all the real value that exists. What people want to have in reserve in money, compared to what value they will have in houses, cars, excavators, factories, toothbrushes and son on, is a personal choice for each individual. It can be less than they have in real value, or more.

The fact that better money will be available, may change the preferences.

Nobody knows. Wait and see.



I believe that in the nomadic times (such as some part of the Old Testament), the liquid wealth (money) of the world was far in excess to the physical wealth. Land did not have much value then, and people could not have much stuff b/c they carried them all with them. So in that kind of society the value of all money >> the value of "real wealth".

Some have argued that in the heyday of industrialism, both the factories and land had much value, so the money ~== real wealth (or even real wealth > money).

Now I would say that real estate is quite expensive, possibly overvalued. Corporations perhaps more so. We may be entering new "nomadic era" as evidenced by the minimalist tendencies of many people who are rich in liquid assets. Even I personally own much more liquid assets (mainly BTC) than the value of my physical assets (mainly castle). It is not inconceivable that the value of all bitcoins goes north of the value of everything else. I am looking at a conservative 25-50% myself but Stephen Reed has argued that bitcoin's holding is so easy that they might be just held and everything else goes into permanent price deflation.

If the price goes up really fast, the big holders are not able to utilize the alternative opportunities and will have to just hold the majority of their stash, creating the very cycle described by Stephen.

My own experience from buying the castle is that it has made me really busy (and will in the coming years), and curtail my interest in any further bitcoin sales, since I can only handle so much real wealth, but hold any number of bitcoins.

This is barring any coercive intervention of course.

You got that right, basically.

Two worlds, one where everybody is in debt, another one where everybody has lots of money savings, are both possible, everything else the same.

The difference comes from what people want, and, the fact that nowadays saving in money is not possible, because someone fucks the money system. They also fuck with peoples minds, like Krugman, who wants us to believe that it is better for everybody when we are all in debt.

sr. member
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Up and down, decide already you bitcoin you!
What's so special about $680?
legendary
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Someone quoted the price forecast for BTC on http://www.cryptocoinstats.com/priceforecaster.php

I note that under the BTC price prediction is DRK's 1 year prediction.

Darkcoin    1 Year prediction:   $23,139,965,602,552.5156

Reliable stuff Wink
hero member
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666 is nice. Now let's go to 777 Grin

I'd prefer 6666 Grin

or 7777 Grin

It is strange how $666 has this lure, the more people talk about it the more it becomes a thing so everybody shush Wink
hero member
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Looks to me like we're almost out of the woods  Cheesy



1 week MacD crossover would be fucking epic buy signal.

While true, you need to wait for the confirmed cross which is 2 weeks away I think. bitcoinwisdom updates its MACD on the fly so it can cross and then a drop in price can make it uncross again like it never happened  Wink
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Another quick poll: is there anyone here at all who does not believe that, by 2027, 1 BTC will buy all the wealth in the world?  Wink

We always have you.

If everybody else believe that, they are obviously wrong.

The best outcome (for bitcoin) will be that all bitcoins, not one, will have all the savings value in the world, all the value that people will have in reserve for a shorter or longer time. This is not related at all to all the real value that exists. What people want to have in reserve in money, compared to what value they will have in houses, cars, excavators, factories, toothbrushes and son on, is a personal choice for each individual. It can be less than they have in real value, or more.

The fact that better money will be available, may change the preferences.

Nobody knows. Wait and see.



I believe that in the nomadic times (such as some part of the Old Testament), the liquid wealth (money) of the world was far in excess to the physical wealth. Land did not have much value then, and people could not have much stuff b/c they carried them all with them. So in that kind of society the value of all money >> the value of "real wealth".

Some have argued that in the heyday of industrialism, both the factories and land had much value, so the money ~== real wealth (or even real wealth > money).

Now I would say that real estate is quite expensive, possibly overvalued. Corporations perhaps more so. We may be entering new "nomadic era" as evidenced by the minimalist tendencies of many people who are rich in liquid assets. Even I personally own much more liquid assets (mainly BTC) than the value of my physical assets (mainly castle). It is not inconceivable that the value of all bitcoins goes north of the value of everything else. I am looking at a conservative 25-50% myself but Stephen Reed has argued that bitcoin's holding is so easy that they might be just held and everything else goes into permanent price deflation.

If the price goes up really fast, the big holders are not able to utilize the alternative opportunities and will have to just hold the majority of their stash, creating the very cycle described by Stephen.

My own experience from buying the castle is that it has made me really busy (and will in the coming years), and curtail my interest in any further bitcoin sales, since I can only handle so much real wealth, but hold any number of bitcoins.

This is barring any coercive intervention of course.
hero member
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Crypto-ideologist

Another quick poll: is there anyone here at all who does not believe that, by 2027, 1 BTC will buy all the wealth in the world?  Wink


Well, someone will buy the wealth of the universe with 100 btc….. 😊:-D
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Jorge just tried to be funny and smart. Highlight of his overall career here.

I definitely laughed at this. I dont post in this thread much but always have a laugh when this Jorge says silly things Cheesy
legendary
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Jorge just tried to be funny and smart. Highlight of his overall career here.
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I got Satoshi's avatar!
If one bitcoin could buy all the wealth in the world, it would make the other 20999999 worthless. It's not logically possible.
legendary
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Another quick poll: is there anyone here at all who does not believe that, by 2027, 1 BTC will buy all the wealth in the world?  Wink

We always have you.

If everybody else believe that, they are obviously wrong.

The best outcome (for bitcoin) will be that all bitcoins, not one, will have all the savings value in the world, all the value that people will have in reserve for a shorter or longer time. This is not related at all to all the real value that exists. What people want to have in reserve in money, compared to what value they will have in houses, cars, excavators, factories, toothbrushes and son on, is a personal choice for each individual. It can be less than they have in real value, or more.

The fact that better money will be available, may change the preferences.

Nobody knows. Wait and see.

hero member
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BintexFutures
Looks to me like we're almost out of the woods  Cheesy



1 week MacD crossover would be fucking epic buy signal.
legendary
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In order to dump coins one must have coins

We are at lower prices.

I will wait for cheaper price under 550 seems OK.. Its bound to test 600 soonish..Yes shroomy i've seen the future Cheesy

Still waiting?

That dude is smokin da crack pipe ..and dropping too much acid for his 600 retest  Cool

The future is still ahead, this is just one big whale pushing with borrowed money paying high rates to me Smiley ( $1.5m borrowed yesterday) , $21.5 million in longs currently, the fall gonna be epic.. I hereby revise my prediction: 500 in 2 weeks  Roll Eyes
If you can't see a double top formation, then you are a greedy delusional bull  Grin
Funny that nobody on leverage thinks like you apparently.
Shorts (which are dirt cheap right now) are at a record low
http://charts-bfxdata.rhcloud.com/bitfinexLiquidityPriceCombinedBTC.php

no reason for a long squeeze in the first place.


No shorts to cover - Check
Longs pretty much maxed out paying high rates - Check
No huge inflow of USD, Bid Sum remaining unchanged on stamp (around $11m ,maxed out to only $13m) - Check
New: Bulls cheering all over: contrarian indicator  Cheesy - Check

What will happen when market stalls and shorts finally open, this rally is not sustainable so far.
these are conditions for a long squeeze in case of a MASSIVE panic sell occurs. if there are no reason for a panic sell in the first place there is no point in considering it at all. Only catastrophic news would get us there, but these are unpredictable so what's the point.

Bid Sum is not an indication of inflow of new USD.
And besides, there is still a lot of fiat in exchanges accumulated from the bear market waiting, also because this trend reversal rally from 450 was done mostly on people raising the asks (that explains the not so huge volume). after the breakout less and less people were willing to sell BTC. Until this wave of predictable profit taking at 680 that is.


Anyway, we have your prediction, in 2 weeks we will see who was right Wink

Would 4k BTC be MASSIVE?

Cause someone can borrow 4k BTC at 0.01% dump it all, start a cascading margin calls from tight margins from the likes of ChrisML's and pick up cheap coins  Grin do it at the lowest volume time to lower your risk of a greater whale swallowing you...Profit
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Looks to me like we're almost out of the woods  Cheesy

legendary
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Space Lord
666 is nice. Now let's go to 777 Grin
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Dont forget with some of the longs, people will have gone long as it all happened so fast to then pay back the money when they can get a wire there, I know I've done that before several times when I've not had money on the exchange.

No shorts is a little worrying though.
legendary
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I don't know of any other instrument where traders will put that much effort into maintaining the price $666. Is $666 bullish or goatish?

I do like goatish Smiley The pull to $666 is kind of weird, I think its been the stickiest point on the charts so far and that's become a trend but the first few times around it screamed of manipulation. $13 had an awful lot of pull too but if it was just the draw of a well know figure then $69 would also have been a sticking point (as would the 8's on the Chinese exchanges). It strongly suggests someone taking advantage of superstition, the kind of someone that believes the Christian god is on their side and is unaware those figures will be more inclined to stir interest from younger generations than to dissuade them, I'm thinking knights of templar and the holy wars here. Pure tinfoil but some sort of explanation is needed for the amount of funds expended on maintaining that figure.

I'm leaning towards confirmation bias - you look for the price to approach 666 since it seems significant, but don't notice if it hovers around some other number much more reliably.

That said, the idea some practitioner of The Art somewhere might have been an early adopter and is now using the wealth gained for ritual purposes - or as a joke, if there's a difference - makes about as much sense to me as the whale conspiracy theories that get thrown around here.


you call it confirmation bias, I just see human nature.

also, new charts.



I stupidly hit refresh so I had to re-draw the lines, huobi bottom line is much more aggressive in this set, looks most likely to be broken. also bitstamp still the hardest to draw.

btc-e still charts like a champ!  Cool
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