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legendary
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Look, btcwisdom has Bollinger bands now. How convenient.





Like I said a few days ago, I don't want to be a pessimist, but I prefer to wait til there's actually something noteworthy going on before I start cheering.

Not only didn't we break through a number of plausible (log) downwards trendlines that have been making the rounds for a while now, we're not even in the upper BB half. Go back to July 2013 to see what a decisive reversal looks like wrt BB.

If we manage to fight our way into the upper half of daily BB, and then break through the upper band, or alternatively (and more realistically) bounce off of it but at least find support at the BB mid line (SMA20, now at 460), I'm going to get cautiously bullish, but not earlier.


But I already know what the bulls will say... that's just a permabear talking, trying to spoil our fun :D
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I need trains pictures for god sake  Grin Grin
legendary
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Still a manic miner
Let´s WALL OBSERVE.... nice buy walls @stamp !!! greeeeen
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Ok guys, why is Bitcoin going to the Moon today ?  Tongue
legendary
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How can you lose your savings if it didnt go to 0 ? The very worst you could do is lose 60%
That wasn't meant literally, of course.  Losing 60% of all you own is bad enough, don't you think?

But you CAN lose all of your life savings if you left the bitcoins in MtGOX, invested in Neo & Bee, or any of the other zillion bitcoin scams. (The first time I heard of bitcoin was when Rick Falkvinge tweeted that he was investing all his savings in bitcoin. Guess where he left them.  Fortunately for him he managed to get part of them out in time.)

You can also invest your 50'000$ of savings plus 50'000$ borrowed from relatives, friends and banks.  (You can bet that many people did that.  If the salesman says that for sure BTC will be worth 1'000'000$ in a few years...)

This idea that the government needs to protect you from your own investment decisions is comical.
It is funny, but one of the things that people expect the government to do is to protect them from scammers who try to sell unsound financial instruments with misleading promises.  That is why there are things like the SEC and consumer protection laws.  And that seems to be the reason why many bitcoin businesses catering primarily to US citizens are based in Panama or other unlikely countries.

Who's the sales person? Why is there this idea with you that people have been mislead and sold something by someone in particular ? In the fiat world scams are bought into all the time do we really need to start metioned Maddof et al ? Thats what you call being robbed of your life savings not investing in a brand new BETA technology and then moaning that its lost value because you listened to some guy on the internet instead of making your own decision. These fiat financial scams and frauds genuinely rob people of their lifes work and do genuinely sing promises of high returns.

The thing that annoys me most with your conjecture is that you speak as though everyone whos in BTC right now bought $1200 coins. Thats just not the case the majority of people are well above their initial investment and the rest of them are likely down no where near 60%. 

A fool and his money are soon parted and if somebody invests in a volatile asset that they can see with their own eyes has been so volatile and then moan that it goes down instead of up they are a fool.

If someone borrows $50,000 off freinds and family to invest in a ridculously volatile asset then they are a fool.

If someone left their Bitcoins with a third party service then they are a fool.

If someone invests more than they are willing to lose they are a fool.

Dont you see where this is going ?

I take it you advocate boiler room pump and dumps then that leave people with low single digit %'s of what they were conned into investing for promises of high returns.



I have not heard any people having a lot of bitcoins not saying there is a huge risk involved

The SEC protects nobody, they fine the banks so it means they fine the clients
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All I want is that fucking reversal, get some confidence into this market.
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http://www.coindesk.com/worlds-largest-bank-icbc-latest-block-bitcoin-china/, news like this one and the price goes up!! Priceless!!  Grin

Like!!!  +1   whatever..

So the only way out for money trapped on Huobi etc is through BTC :O
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Market Integration Platform
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Where are the train pictures???  Grin
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Still a manic miner
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Who's the sales person?
The people who say that bitcoin will be worth at least 5'000 USD by next year.  Those who claim it will preotect your money from inflation, bank haircuts, taxes, etc.  Those who still claims that the price can only increase since there is only a fixed number of bitcoins. Do I need to point out examples? (Not long ago the WSJ reported on some Argentinian woman who said 1'000'000 USD/BTC.


Why is there this idea with you that people have been mislead and sold something by someone in particular ?
Because they were?  

In the fiat world scams are bought into all the time do we really need to start metioned Maddof et al? Thats what you call being robbed of your life savings not investing in a brand new BETA technology and then moaning that its lost value because you listened to some guy on the internet instead of making your own decision. These fiat financial scams and frauds genuinely rob people of their lifes work and do genuinely sing promises of high returns.
Madoff went to jail and his name is rightly mentioned all the time when discussing scams.  Why shouldn't the bitcoin Madoffs go to jail too?

Misleading marketing is misleading marketing, it does not matter whether it was on a blog, through an YouTube video, or printed on glossy paper.

The thing that annoys me most with your conjecture is that you speak as though everyone whos in BTC right now bought $1200 coins. Thats just not the case the majority of people are well above their initial investment and the rest of them are likely down no where near 60%.  
The early bitcoin investors who later sold some of their holdings made huge profits at the expense of the later entrants.  That is what happens in any pyramid or Ponzi too, including Madoffs.  It does not make the thing a sound investment: since bitcoins pay no dividends, the expected gain for the average investor, in the long run, is negative.

A fool and his money are soon parted and if somebody invests in a volatile asset that they can see with their own eyes has been so volatile and then moan that it goes down instead of up they are a fool.

If someone borrows $50,000 off friends and family to invest in a ridculously volatile asset then they are a fool.

If someone left their Bitcoins with a third party service then they are a fool.

If someone invests more than they are willing to lose they are a fool.

Dont you see where this is going ?
Er... anyone who invests in bitcoin is a fool?  Wink

I take it you advocate boiler room pump and dumps then that leave people with low single digit %'s of what they were conned into investing for promises of high returns.
Quite the opposite, I just wish that the bitcoin boiler room be treated like any other boiler room.
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The 1w MACD is no where near crossing...
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
The 3d MACD has moved into green (if only slightly) on most exchanges and the 1w is backing off... I'm quite positive.

I am NOT sure what any of this means, either... but the 3d has been pretty solidly green, and even the 1 week is turning into a green in recent hours.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Bulls be like haha no one cares about China. Moon.

Bears be like just the last pump before the single digit dump.

Whether a bear or a bull, at some point this train is going to be leaving whether china is on board or NOT.  Or is that, just me seeing this matter in terms of bullish tinted glasses?

Take for example that we are really getting close to the 10th.. and the market has to account for all the chinese who had wanted to get out have already gotten out.  The only chinese left into BTC are the bullish ones.  Therefore, let's get this train going forth with whoever happens to be on board.
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A pumpkin mines 27 hours a night
It's a friday and there are China "news". Why is the price going up? Cheesy

Come on, everyone, trust your MACDs and lets burn some shorts! *choochoo*
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I am having trouble thinking in linear after trading bitcoin for too long.
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I got Satoshi's avatar!
The 3d MACD has moved into green (if only slightly) on most exchanges and the 1w is backing off... I'm quite positive.
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we have a break to the up side.



I don't see it. Can you help me out?

Sure, here it is :



(Tera: you were talking about using adequate log/normal chart but you should have used lines on this chart not parabols, don't you think ?)

The red one is 6 months main resistance, on which we bounced on 3 times, red/pink one is a recent and we are trying to escape upside.

=> I'm only saying we are trying to break some resistance trendline and some more volume is needed atm.
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