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legendary
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I've thought over my trading history and realize 80%-90% if my profits are all made during new-ATH rallies and the huge crashes afterwards. I perform very poorly during bear markets and consolidations, and make bank during the rally/crash conditions, doubling my coins exponentially every week. So I should probably just make a resolution to only trade during those short 2-3 month time periods and then leave whenever there is a bear market. Maybe I use the 1W MACD to determine this.

Of course you do. Any mug can make gains when liquidity is pouring into the market. In a bear market when liquidity is being drained from the market, only those ballsy and disciplined enough to sell and buy the utmost extremities of the trend line will make money, other than that the odds are stacked against you and you are just whale fodder. I made most of my gains from Nov 20th onwards up until mid Dec (I sold high and got very lucky with buy-ins at near base of Dec 5th crash). Since then profits have been low and my recent max leveraged short trade that I opted to finally hold out on, got absolutely fkn slaughtered by the time I tapped out which takes me firmly into net loss territory since 2014.

Lesson learned. Same lesson as is occurring in your head and the same lesson that countless others have been taught. Don't trade a blatant bear market. The result of this is more and more liquidity leaves Bitcoin until the point where the splashes made by greedy whales become less and less pronounced due to less and less liquidity reacting to them. No ultimate bottoming out of any market entailed a 45% swing from bottom within a few days, not even a past Bitcoin bottom.

Have also noticed that Bitstamp are becoming tighter and tighter with allowing deposits to register in peoples accounts. I sent over just $3K the other day and again, they are wanting me to 'prove' where I am getting it from. I told them to fuck off. I am getting my money back, I can't see how I am going to get any amount of money back onto that exchanges cos no way am I giving them any personal details of the description that they are asking for. Bet there are quite as lot of Bitcoiners who are feeling the same. Not exactly conducive to increased adoption is it?



Ummm...the bear market is over.
hero member
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Momentum of this 3 day rally is now stopped, back to sideways movement and profit taking dragging price in the upper 400's.


I wouldn't bet a single satoshi on this. Market is so f up now and we can go back to 550 in no time.

anu
legendary
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There is no "latest news"

Thats no reason not to flash crash. With market participants like this, anything is possible. If tomorrow there were news coming out:
Amazon and Ebay to accept Bitcoin exclusively
I'd expect a flash crash at first.
hero member
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Merit: 500
Momentum of this 3 day rally is now stopped, back to sideways movement and profit taking dragging price in the upper 400's.


Another fact?
hero member
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I've thought over my trading history and realize 80%-90% if my profits are all made during new-ATH rallies and the huge crashes afterwards. I perform very poorly during bear markets and consolidations, and make bank during the rally/crash conditions, doubling my coins exponentially every week. So I should probably just make a resolution to only trade during those short 2-3 month time periods and then leave whenever there is a bear market. Maybe I use the 1W MACD to determine this.

Of course you do. Any mug can make gains when liquidity is pouring into the market. In a bear market when liquidity is being drained from the market, only those ballsy and disciplined enough to sell and buy the utmost extremities of the trend line will make money, other than that the odds are stacked against you and you are just whale fodder. I made most of my gains from Nov 20th onwards up until mid Dec (I sold high and got very lucky with buy-ins at near base of Dec 5th crash). Since then profits have been low and my recent max leveraged short trade that I opted to finally hold out on, got absolutely fkn slaughtered by the time I tapped out which takes me firmly into net loss territory since 2014.

Lesson learned. Same lesson as is occurring in your head and the same lesson that countless others have been taught. Don't trade a blatant bear market. The result of this is more and more liquidity leaves Bitcoin until the point where the splashes made by greedy whales become less and less pronounced due to less and less liquidity reacting to them. No ultimate bottoming out of any market entailed a 45% swing from bottom within a few days, not even a past Bitcoin bottom.

Have also noticed that Bitstamp are becoming tighter and tighter with allowing deposits to register in peoples accounts. I sent over just $3K the other day and again, they are wanting me to 'prove' where I am getting it from. I told them to fuck off. I am getting my money back, I can't see how I am going to get any amount of money back onto that exchanges cos no way am I giving them any personal details of the description that they are asking for. Bet there are quite as lot of Bitcoiners who are feeling the same. Not exactly conducive to increased adoption is it?

hero member
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There is no "latest news"
legendary
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Actually, 500's seems quite solid. There could have been lots of panic selling because of the rumor and MtGox-news. The drop was also a healthy correction. It looks quite good. Choo choo.
legendary
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Momentum of this 3 day rally is now stopped, back to sideways movement and profit taking dragging price in the upper 400's.
hero member
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Everybody should panic....bitcoinwisdom , bitstamp , btc-e and huobi all down.
Wait....it was my isp fault Smiley)))

But still ...it'a sign to sell!!!!!

Thanks. I just sold.
sr. member
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Haha watch the idiots who just panic sold panic buying right now. I bet it was an expensive lesson for many. Did they learn from this? No, they will do it again and again.
Until they lose all, exactly, than new will come and here we go again..
hero member
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Huobis a scary place when it goes quiet.

I guarantee a lot of people lost money this morning.

Im not sure if anyone has any idea whether this is going up or down but with just a $40 drop on this 'news' it makes it less likely that China news is going to see us retesting those previous lows...
It's probably going to be more than $40 eventually. Wait till 4H MACDs go down.

We'll see, just as likely this all continues and it ends up being called an epic bear trap.
Price is way overdue for correction with or without news a drop to at least $450 some time in the next week is likely.

I dont think thats likely just because were overbought the only thing taking it there is more out of China, thats the only thing stopping this recovering even more. The bull run this morning would have continued absent China. We'll see but its only China taking it there.
hero member
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Haha watch the idiots who just panic sold panic buying right now. I bet it was an expensive lesson for many. Did they learn from this? No, they will do it again and again.
hero member
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Everybody should panic....bitcoinwisdom , bitstamp , btc-e and huobi all down.
Wait....it was my isp fault Smiley)))

But still ...it'a sign to sell!!!!!
hero member
Activity: 672
Merit: 500
The correction has only started. give it a few hours, Ask will start to pile in as they realize that this rally is done.

Is this a fact?

We are sub 500 , its a fact .

At what point are you buying back in?
legendary
Activity: 1428
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So does this take us back to 340 now?
http://www.coindesk.com/mt-gox-officially-files-liquidation/

Get Goxxed and Chinesed in one day

Would that not mean that their 200k stash will be sold at market and USD paid to account holders?

I am sending an email to the liquidator informing him the New Biggest exchanger is now Bitstamp, its where all the Bitcoin millionaire, bulls and enthusiast will buy ALL the 200k coins for the best possible price..
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
Huobis a scary place when it goes quiet.

I guarantee a lot of people lost money this morning.

Im not sure if anyone has any idea whether this is going up or down but with just a $40 drop on this 'news' it makes it less likely that China news is going to see us retesting those previous lows...
It's probably going to be more than $40 eventually. Wait till 4H MACDs go down.

We'll see, just as likely this all continues and it ends up being called an epic bear trap.
Price is way overdue for correction with or without news a drop to at least $450 some time in the next week is likely.
hero member
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So how many of you traders just lost money because of this China "news" thing? Come on, i know there must be a bunch of you here. Please tell me so i can laugh in your face.

You really enjoy it , right? =)))))

Not really, he is mad, more than me who actually lost money today. He is always mad, I wouldn't like to be him  Grin

Mad? Haha absolutely not.
hero member
Activity: 798
Merit: 1000
Huobis a scary place when it goes quiet.

I guarantee a lot of people lost money this morning.

Im not sure if anyone has any idea whether this is going up or down but with just a $40 drop on this 'news' it makes it less likely that China news is going to see us retesting those previous lows...
It's probably going to be more than $40 eventually. Wait till 4H MACDs go down.

We'll see, just as likely this all continues and it ends up being called an epic bear trap.
hero member
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Localbitcoins prices are all over the place. While there is not much below the mean price, there are many transactions recorded far above the average or the price of other exchanges. The data on this exchange site would be easy to spoof - they never see the government currency, so an individual could simply "sell" bitcoins to a different account of his at an inflated price.

Most traders on this site use a formula for their pricing, such as "xxx exchange + %5" or "xxx + yyy exchange 24 hour average", so the pricing should reflect a slightly delayed pricing on other exchanges.

Here's a live chart to turn this into something useful though. Underneath the noise, you now see the 60-minute weighted average, smoothing the amounts and giving the actual trade volume importance. Also, that the exchange rate still appears higher.

The volume is notable, but insignificant compared with the larger exchanges which enable high-frequency trading. The average daily volume for the last month is about 500 BTC, compared 17000-20000BTC on bitstamp and btce.
I'd imagine they'd lose a lot in fees for that...
hero member
Activity: 728
Merit: 500
Huobis a scary place when it goes quiet.

I guarantee a lot of people lost money this morning.

Im not sure if anyone has any idea whether this is going up or down but with just a $40 drop on this 'news' it makes it less likely that China news is going to see us retesting those previous lows...
It's probably going to be more than $40 eventually. Wait till 4H MACDs go down.
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