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legendary
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Imposition of ORder = Escalation of Chaos
I suppose you're referring to this quote?

[ ... ]

Yes, that one.

What was your Russel quote? I had the wrong name
[snip]

This one:



It was meant as a reaction to your "people, who KNOW what happens without government" Wink

"In democracy, only your vote counts. In feudalism, only your Count votes."
Unknown

I like this one!  Cheesy
sr. member
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Oh and btw, there should be ZERO trading for a few days while heartbleed is sorted out. Anyone logging in to any sites right now is taking a risk if I understand this correctly.

What is heartbleed?

EDIT: Nevermind I found it on google. Wow.

So heartbleed will make BTC prices more stable b/c no logging in?

Fuck, I'm terrified to log into anything important, now.
hero member
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I suppose you're referring to this quote?

[ ... ]

Yes, that one.

What was your Russel quote? I had the wrong name, thought it was this one:

"Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve."
George Bernard Shaw

But I think this one is slightly better:

"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard."
H. L. Mencken

And this one:

"In democracy, only your vote counts. In feudalism, only your Count votes."
Unknown

 Cheesy
legendary
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Oh and btw, there should be ZERO trading for a few days while heartbleed is sorted out. Anyone logging in to any sites right now is taking a risk if I understand this correctly.

What is heartbleed?

EDIT: Nevermind I found it on google. Wow.

So heartbleed will make BTC prices more stable b/c no logging in?

It should. Whether it does or not depends on how brave/stupid people are.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Oh and btw, there should be ZERO trading for a few days while heartbleed is sorted out. Anyone logging in to any sites right now is taking a risk if I understand this correctly.

What is heartbleed?

EDIT: Nevermind I found it on google. Wow.

So heartbleed will make BTC prices more stable b/c no logging in?
hero member
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Would someone please explain how one becomes a paid troll? Perhaps I can bill them for a hundred bucks (old-fashioned money, of course) for every insult I get here.  Wink

One way is earn tenure at a university. Wink
Another is proffit off Bitcoin fud.

Actually my salary from the university does not depend at all on what I post or don't post.  I could even stop showing up at my classes, and it may be a couple of years and several pounds of paperwork before the university manages to cut my salary.  That, if I do not put up a fight.

(Some 15 years ago the university extinguished its Forensic Medicine Department in a desperate attempt to get rid of a particularly inconvenient prof there.  It did not work, the prof found a friendly judge who ordered the university to re-hire him.  To this day he has his salary, even if he does not teach or do research, has no office, no students, and no duties.)
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Y'all chase this rally if you want. Bitcoin's been good to me and I'm not going to be greedy. I'll stay with my low buy orders to provide a safety net in case this some kind of trap.

Bitcoin ate my greed.

Way too early to leave the game or the arena... even though the third string and the waterboy are playing.

There's still a chance... just gotta have a plan, no?

 Cool
legendary
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legendary
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Imposition of ORder = Escalation of Chaos
Although many people (myself included) are unhappy about the government they have, the vast majority actually wants a strong government with effective laws,  police and courts -- because they know what happens when those things fail.

Really? They KNOW what happens when those things fail? Must resist urge to post famous Bertrand Russel quote...
I do not know how Somalia and Sudan are doing these days, but not long ago they were libertarian paradises.  Wink

And if you quote Russel, I will quote Churchill.  Cheesy

I suppose you're referring to this quote?



If so, shall we pretend that this is an argument FOR democracy? Or shall we realize that is actually an argument AGAINST government? Think carefully.. Smiley

For if this is the best we could come up with...we should probably stop trying.

EDIT: even Churchill knew this at some level
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"

Unfortunately, I do NOT have any advice for you, JJG. Wink hehehe!! no? not funny? oh well Sad

this is why I don't do sales.

I can't lie very well, I can't tell you the future, I can't tell you that as long as you hold on to those $1,200 coins for at least a year, then you'll be just fine.

That's o.k. about the lack of advice b/c these matters can be very complicated - especially when you nor anyone else on the forum knows my exact holdings and my aspirations and my risk tolerance and a variety of other factors that would go into providing some input(s) concerning my investment decisions.   I have already had some guys providing advice based on very incomplete information about my situation, and surely, I would NOT necessarily even want to share all the details.

Also, I am fairly capable of calculating various risks and then living with my decision(s) at any point of time and realizing the extent to which I may need to reconsider my exit strategy, if needed. 

As far as the $1200 coins, that does NOT really motivate me b/c I consider my average cost per BTC including transaction fees, which is currently about $640.  Surely, my average cost per BTC could have been lower, or i could currently could make it lower by buying more, but overall I am satisfied with having had brought down my average cost to that point. 

I believe the chances are fairly decent that BTC prices will rise above my average price point within the next couple of years, and on average I get about 6% per year on my other investments.  So if in two years, I am able to get 6% per year out of BTC, then I would be very happy with that kind of an outcome.. 12% would mean getting to a price of $720 in the next two years... and I believe that is very likely.... and a higher price would surely be additional icing on the cake.   

And, even if I do NOT make money, I believe that BTC remains a gamble worth taking, given its apparent innovative aspects. It is really an exciting kind of system that is evolving, and I believe that my investment into BTC allows for a bird's eye perspective.







I actually shouldn't even be speaking right now, but I feel a compulsive urge to be involved in this thing somehow, and perhaps this is just my way of acting out, thowing a tantrum and all that.


I've always had the feeling that I would be involved in something great. maybe it's just a dream, a dream that everyone shares?
as far as price action? that is for traders, if you want to be a trader, then you can.

personally I think we are approaching some interesting times and I'm not very excited about some of the possible outcomes.

Sounds as if you have some mysterious secrets and a lot more to tell... he he he.. but you are holding back...

Bitcoin can bring us into a lot of different areas including  questions about wealth distribution and politics and even quality of life issues... .. and surely, it is nice to have a certain level of passive income that allows a person to be able to live in comfort.  Some of that can come through bitcoin and some may need to be safeguarded by diversifying investments... whether we are talking about how to allocate our finances or how to allocate our time.

 
hero member
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Although many people (myself included) are unhappy about the government they have, the vast majority actually wants a strong government with effective laws,  police and courts -- because they know what happens when those things fail.

Really? They KNOW what happens when those things fail? Must resist urge to post famous Bertrand Russel quote...
I do not know how Somalia and Sudan are doing these days, but not long ago they were libertarian paradises.  Wink

And if you quote Russel, I will quote Churchill.  Cheesy
hero member
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here look at this line I fit on the graph. cool huh. (break out)

we have still struggle to break out.  Undecided And as soon as there is a little drop people will scream its the end of bitcoin again. Cheesy
sr. member
Activity: 476
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Oh and btw, there should be ZERO trading for a few days while heartbleed is sorted out. Anyone logging in to any sites right now is taking a risk if I understand this correctly.

What is heartbleed?

EDIT: Nevermind I found it on google. Wow.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1045
Oh and btw, there should be ZERO trading for a few days while heartbleed is sorted out. Anyone logging in to any sites right now is taking a risk if I understand this correctly.
legendary
Activity: 1680
Merit: 1045
This feels totally diffferent then the last 2 drops to 400. Almost everyone saw those flash crashes coming and that it would quickly rebound within hrs, which it did.

Here we are in the low/mid 400's for over a week and there is no mad rush to buy coins at this insanely 'discounted' price.

Permabulls are hoping for a hail-mary pass, but i just dont see it, i dont think we've grinded this far down for not at least a vicious 400 retest.

Sharks are waiting in the wings patiently. 400 is key, if that breaks watch the fuck out, it could drop like a rock to the 200's. This market is dying to shake out all the gamblers who bought in at 1K.

That's exactly how I see it too, but Bitcoin isn't known for being predictable.

True. That's why im split up, 40% trading (all fiat right now) and 60% savings. However, if 400 is breached i probably will be dipping into my savings to sell some more.

If $400 is breached, I am certainly buying some more.... yet the exact price point in which I buy and how much would depend upon how fast it drops and whether based on any additional news (or FUD) -

 Maybe I will buy yours TeeBone?

It ain't gonna be Sad we all got tonnes of fiat waiting for this. Maybe 420 (blaze it fgt) once more, but I think that's it.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
This feels totally diffferent then the last 2 drops to 400. Almost everyone saw those flash crashes coming and that it would quickly rebound within hrs, which it did.

Here we are in the low/mid 400's for over a week and there is no mad rush to buy coins at this insanely 'discounted' price.

Permabulls are hoping for a hail-mary pass, but i just dont see it, i dont think we've grinded this far down for not at least a vicious 400 retest.

Sharks are waiting in the wings patiently. 400 is key, if that breaks watch the fuck out, it could drop like a rock to the 200's. This market is dying to shake out all the gamblers who bought in at 1K.

That's exactly how I see it too, but Bitcoin isn't known for being predictable.

True. That's why im split up, 40% trading (all fiat right now) and 60% savings. However, if 400 is breached i probably will be dipping into my savings to sell some more.

If $400 is breached, I am certainly buying some more.... yet the exact price point in which I buy and how much would depend upon how fast it drops and whether based on any additional news (or FUD) -

 Maybe I will buy yours TeeBone?
hero member
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Then either TibonneTheCat is collaborating in the fraud and also lending 100,000 BTC to the exchange knowing full well it doesn't have it (so basically making a very risky investment) or the exchange runs the risk of TibonneTheCat discovering his balance not being included and making an effective fuzz about it.

TibonneTheCat is the owner's cat.  It will not complain because it knows that it will be the first in line to withdraw when there is a rush, I mean, when the usual hacker attacks and steals 100,000 bitcoins sorry folks.
legendary
Activity: 1133
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Imposition of ORder = Escalation of Chaos
Although many people (myself included) are unhappy about the government they have, the vast majority actually wants a strong government with effective laws,  police and courts -- because they know what happens when those things fail.

Really? They KNOW what happens when those things fail? Must resist urge to post famous Bertrand Russel quote...

legendary
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Hide your women
Y'all chase this rally if you want. Bitcoin's been good to me and I'm not going to be greedy. I'll stay with my low buy orders to provide a safety net in case this some kind of trap.

Bitcoin ate my greed.
legendary
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@theshmadz
who would have even guessed that we may be floating in the mid-$450s price territory for so long.  

I know this one guy....

No legit target during few years. Fuck it, I go away.

I think that it is a different story if an investor was in a position to cash out part of his stash in December 2013.. or had been analyzing what to do during that period mid-to-late 2013 period.  So for example if anyone got into BTC in any kind of heavy way before mid-October 2013, the quick bubble may have likely caused a considerable incentive to cash out part of the appreciation - yet many may have just remained "in for the long term."

Surely the January, February and March performance seemed to draw considerations that BTC prices would remain at higher than $450s resting price points.  Of course, hindsight is 20/20, but a very large majority of those would have pegged a much higher resting point than our current mid$400s.

And, i suppose, I could be just inviting some bears to chime in to say, I told you so regarding this current mid$400s price range....

As I already stated, I doubt that we are going to be hanging around here for too long.. and probably a bit higher would be more in line with current fundamentals or at least the probability of going up seems greater than going down.. despite current low volume..

Also, even though we know that graphs can be constructed to show that $450-ish is a good stable price point, i think that BTC prices are a considerable bargain at the moment and I am sure that quite a bit.. little by little is being snatched up at these price points by the future elite (to coin a phrase from another bitcointalk thread)

I think that 450 is a nice price point and I have bought there on the last 2 dips; this one, I am sitting out.

the point I'd really like to address is the part I bolded: I don't think there are many savvy traders that have remained "in for the long term" when we've lost 50% in what? 2-3 months?

I get the feeling that the next bump will be big, and I think many of those that sold at $1000+ were people that bought much lower, and they remember the ride, and would like to do it again.

just don't forget to take profits when the price goes in your favour.

:edit: "taking profit" is a term I used for NFL betting, that's where I learned to trade. and when you're up, you better take some profits off the table, or you will lose it all. (you can consider "profit" as either extra fiat for hookers and blow, or skimming extra bitcoin and saving it for a rainy day Wink

I agree with you completely about the need to skim profits in accordance with whatever scheme is comfortable for the investor.  My skimming will probably be in the form of reallocation of my total investment portfolio.. especially if there are gains in one area, as compared with another)..  So for example, if I had been into BTC in early 2013, then ended up realizing an unexpected 10 times gain, that may have likely triggered me to reallocate the gains into other areas.. .or maybe engaging in some consumption, as you mentioned.

My perspective remains somewhat skewed by the fact that I began investing in BTC in late November 2013.  Accordingly, my BTC portfolio remains in the red, even though I have been buying BTC as the price goes down in order to bring down my average price per BTC - which currently is around $640 - though I started at $1,200. 

When I got into BTC, I realized that there had been a recent and stupendous bull run, so that caused me to plan out my investment over the next several months... rather than sinking in a lump-sum at that particular moment.    Surely, in retrospect, there are probably ways that I could have played trades (or made my buys) in ways that would have caused even a lower average price per BTC.

At the time that I first got into BTC, I was also thinking that my BTC investment would likely run for at least 2 years, absent some catastrophic occurrence that may undermine the fundamentals of BTC with part of my motivation to diversify away from the dollar, since the remainder of my investments (which is a much larger proportion) are tied into the performance of the dollar.  I am sure that many of us in the bitcoin sphere realize the amazingly high level of printing press matters going on with the dollar and also some of the threats of US government shut downs, and those seemingly irresponsible governmental behaviors have caused me considerable concerns about having so much of my total investment dependent upon the ongoing value of the dollar - especially when I am also planning overseas travel.

So,yes, I do NOT have any major problem with floating around in the $450 range for a while - even though it would be a bit more comfortable floating in the black rather than in the red... but I have already banked on the possibility that my total BTC investment could go belly up.. so the worse case scenario would be if it kept going down and sucking out my money.... which I really doubt will occur based on the totality of what is going on with bitcoin and there continue to be lots of interesting value adding developments in the bitcoin sphere.

Unfortunately, I do NOT have any advice for you, JJG. Wink hehehe!! no? not funny? oh well Sad

this is why I don't do sales.

I can't lie very well, I can't tell you the future, I can't tell you that as long as you hold on to those $1,200 coins for at least a year, then you'll be just fine.

I actually shouldn't even be speaking right now, but I feel a compulsive urge to be involved in this thing somehow, and perhaps this is just my way of acting out, thowing a tantrum and all that.


I've always had the feeling that I would be involved in something great. maybe it's just a dream, a dream that everyone shares?
as far as price action? that is for traders, if you want to be a trader, then you can.

personally I think we are approaching some interesting times and I'm not very excited about some of the possible outcomes.
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