Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 28863. (Read 26611052 times)

I dunno but presumably government the community did not have their eye on the ball when despite it taking ten years to complete the ring-road, they completely failed to widen the few miles of interstate that joined it up to the large and rapidly growing business area nearby.

While we're on the subject of roads, one of the factors that make the US so much a heavier user of cars than the rest of the world (besides just being less densely populated) is government mandated zoning ordinances. In much of the world, people can simply live near where they work because things grew organically without regulation. In the UK, I lived a ten minute walk from work. I had a car but it was largely superfluous (the supermarket was a 20 minute walk). Even in New York City, it is not uncommon for people to not have cars.

Who gives a flying fuck (there I go again, with my recent favorite expression in this thread)?     

These are all factors that the non-rural tennessee public could have taken into account when they were deciding about the best solution in the circumstances of that particular community.  Did you go to any of the meetings that involved the discussion of the road?  You could have had your input regarding the better flying car solution?

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Once we start moving again in either direction and theres money to be made the topics will change, this is just a manifestation of how stagnant the market is atm  

Whenever someone complains that bitcoin isn't "backed by anyone", the correct answer is:  That's the point.  There can be no counter-party risk when there is no counter-party.  Corpcoin is cranking up the counter-party risk to 11.

LOL... to the moon!

At the risk of repeating myself,


Coercion /koʊˈɜrʃən/ is the practice of forcing another party to act in an involuntary manner by use of intimidation or threats or some other form of pressure or force, and describes a set of various different similar types of forceful actions that violate the free will of an individual to induce a desired response. These actions can include, but are not limited to, extortion, blackmail, torture, and threats to induce favors. In law, coercion is codified as a duress crime. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in a way contrary to their own interests. Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain/injury or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. The threat of further harm may lead to the cooperation or obedience of the person being coerced.
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Care to provide the definition you are using?

Yes, roads seem to be a very good example of a public good, and if roads are a public good, then the public has a right to have input into their direction, extent, quality and quantity... amongst other things related to such, in the event that they are considered to be public. 

As we know, sometimes roads can be private too.. as I would presume most of us recognize there are still concepts of private property rights that are recognized that will end up involving private roads built on the private property.

Having public input will likely result in varying degrees of control, and sometimes, these control may be given up - depending upon the extent to which public interests are perceived to be a factor.

Adam, time to close this damn thread and make a new one....

This shit has gone Mexico

The system of governance and the community are in competition for resources.  When the system has more power, the available resources are allocated into the growth of the system.  When the community has more power, the available resources are allocated to the welfare of the community.  Decentralization removes power from the system, and adds it to the community.

The general problem with socializing things is that in practice costs are socialized, and benefits are privatized.  A lack of effective checks and balances will mean that the fox is always hired to guard the henhouse.

I'm glad you emphasized that because otherwise I would have thought it wasn't true.  I've seen the road work around here, and it's pretty clear that the ratio of supervisors to workers is 4:1, that roads are rebuilt when they are in perfectly good condition (presumably because someone's brother-in-law owns the tar & sand company), that roads are built in places where nobody wants them, that roads are not built in places where people want them, that millions are spent on roads, but no one can be chuffed to spend a couple thousand on a traffic light until at least 4 or 5 people get killed at a given intersection, that the competence of traffic planning falls somewhere between the Riddler and the Joker.  Why?  Because there's no competition which demands excellence, or even a slight whiff of competence.

If it works like it works around here, the community has precious little to do with it.  County commissioners hire managers who decide what happens.  There's no real community participation and no real accountability for what they do. Certainly the system has done what you say in the example you reference, but whether the community has done so is a separate question.  

Clearly in its original meaning as he had just told you why. * facepalm

Anyhow, you can try and say we have different understandings of the term but that is not the case. You have a different understanding of it in comparison to the real definition. Look, "Persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats:" is the dictionary definition of coercion. If you can argue that being a part of society in regards to paying taxes against your will under the threat of force is not coercion then I'll be flabbergasted.

Perhaps we can try a different approach cause Im pretty bored of seeing your sensless rants. Can you explain how it is not coercion as an explaination as to why it is coercion has been offered several times.

Cause the rocket ships are taking their time refuelling.

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Since you are still conflating the words "community" and "government". Here's what your post would look like, if we substitute one for the other.


Haven't you ever heard of a situation in which what the government wants is perceptibly different from what the community wants. You keep using sentences like, stating them as fact and acting like you have provided an argument. You treat your opinions like fact (at least your statements lead me to believe this) and that makes debating you quite annoying imo. Take octaft for example. He seems to view matters similarly to you but seems to have a much more open mind about it.

Anyway do you really believe the government is an accurate expression of the will of the community? That they are functionally the same thing?


and still be hounded by the IRS lol  

It is certainly a solution but is it the best solution? Are not people running around waving their hands in the air about the amount of CO2 motor vehicles are emitting? What about traffic fatalities? Trees plants and animals killed and destroyed by increased paving?

Strawman is more fun! But I hear your "tax is theft" mantra. Instead of complaining, be the change you want. Go make flying cars so we don't need roads. Whew, imagine having to pay for that! Talk about a tax!

If you're not talented enough to make flying cars then consider one of these many other options to deal with the tax:
1) pay the tax and enjoy that you live in a wonderful country with roads, or
2) Have a Boston Tea Party -- don't pay tax plus risk jail, or
3) start an organization whose goal is the repeal of road taxes, or
4) move to a country without road tax, or
5) start your own country and learn firsthand why we have road taxes, or
6) opt out of life. After death and estate taxes you should be pretty well tax-free after that.

You have choices. Why sit in a barely known internet forum and rail on a poorly constructed fantastical argument when you could actually be out making the world tax free?

Y'know, if we're not going to trim followups, what this thread really needs is a cascade.

Yeah... let's get on a tangent...

Frequently, a central reason for adding lanes or roads is a perceived need b/c of population growth or traffic congestion.

I do NOT know about the circumstances or the rationale for the road in your non-rural tennessee location, except for your proclamation (one citizen's assessment) that it was NOT necessary b/c they could have substituted flying cars in that location. 

I do NOT want to minimize the importance of your input, but I am sure that there was more than one person that decided that the road was going to be a benefit to the community and that is why it was built.  And, also with public projects there are opportunities for community stake holders to comment regarding the necessity or lack thereof of the project.

I believe he used "literally" in it's literal, or, perhaps I should say "original" meaning.