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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 29258. (Read 26610526 times)

legendary
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How can they still trade without being able to move goxBTC between users or are they only trading imaginary goxBTC instead of realgoxBTC? Will there soon be yet another market on top of this where one can trade bitcoinbuilder account balances for BTC?

its just the nature of financial speculation. cant change it. with bitcoin or any other asset, there will always be avidly retarded people to buy those "subprime-style" junks.  Roll Eyes
legendary
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Oh dear.....The Gox Twitter account has had all it's messages deleted.

https://twitter.com/mtgox

Welcome to yesterday. Or was it the day before that?

Sorry, I'm in the UK.
No internet access yesterday and after a long hard night I only fell out of bed an hour ago.
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In fact, to show how long a hard night it was, I live in the UK but am currently in Spain.
hero member
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How can they still trade without being able to move goxBTC between users or are they only trading imaginary goxBTC instead of realgoxBTC? Will there soon be yet another market on top of this where one can trade bitcoinbuilder account balances for BTC?

Plenty of coins already on there. Gox coins can't be withdrawn any more than they can be freshly deposited so we can go in circles for a while and make Josh richer.
It doesn't matter that Josh doesn't have access to the actual Gox coins in this case.
hero member
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How can they still trade without being able to move goxBTC between users or are they only trading imaginary goxBTC instead of realgoxBTC? Will there soon be yet another market on top of this where one can trade bitcoinbuilder account balances for BTC?
sr. member
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Looks like we're heading lower on stamp!
legendary
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The chart in the logo representing goxbux history is a nice touch - from zero up down up higher back down to zero!

Real?  Hmmm.. The only thing that is remotely convincing is the promise of a future statement.  Plus ca change...?
legendary
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Blockchain.info just posted a new statement on their blog:

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Blockchain’s fundamental design is based upon us having no access to customer funds or keys. This is achieved by making all transactions occur in the end-user’s browser, “client-side” with open-source and auditable software. We at Blockchain never store unencrypted keys, passwords, bitcoins or the have the ability to create transactions. This ensures that users’ bitcoins are not only secure from a broad-based attack on Blockchain, but are even secure from Blockchain and that’s deliberate. We don’t control your bitcoins; you do.

Blockchain has always recommended that users store their bitcoins in such a way as to maintain control and ownership of their keys. Custodial accounts, like those used by Mt. Gox, where other people hold the keys to your bitcoins are risky. Instead, customers should use services like Blockchain.info, where keys are decrypted in the browser, not held on the servers. Alternatively, use a desktop client such as Armory, Bitcoin-Qt, Multibit or Electrum. All of these store the keys in a local, encrypted file that is not shared with any servers or held by anyone else.

Last night, we were shocked to find out about Mt. Gox’s insolvency, as they appear to have committed a grievous breach of trust against their customers.

The Blockchain staff will continue to collaborate with other industry leaders to establish better controls to ensure that events like this are not repeated. We are hopeful that together we can create a more trustworthy industry for the benefit of all existing and future Bitcoin holders.

Even blockchain says they are insolvent.. There is no room for doubt now.
legendary
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on theblock.info chain statement comment section (of course the comment it is fake) http://blog.blockchain.info/2014/02/25/blockchains-reaction/

full member
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Oh dear.....The Gox Twitter account has had all it's messages deleted.

https://twitter.com/mtgox

Welcome to yesterday. Or was it the day before that?
In Bitcoinland yesterday is old news.  Smiley
hero member
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SLELLING GOX COINS!!!1
hero member
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The chart in the logo representing goxbux history is a nice touch - from zero up down up higher back down to zero!
legendary
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Merit: 1001
Oh dear.....The Gox Twitter account has had all it's messages deleted.

https://twitter.com/mtgox

Welcome to yesterday. Or was it the day before that?

Sorry, I'm in the UK.
No internet access yesterday and after a long hard night I only fell out of bed an hour ago.
 Sad
hero member
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Blockchain.info just posted a new statement on their blog:

Quote
Blockchain’s fundamental design is based upon us having no access to customer funds or keys. This is achieved by making all transactions occur in the end-user’s browser, “client-side” with open-source and auditable software. We at Blockchain never store unencrypted keys, passwords, bitcoins or the have the ability to create transactions. This ensures that users’ bitcoins are not only secure from a broad-based attack on Blockchain, but are even secure from Blockchain and that’s deliberate. We don’t control your bitcoins; you do.

Blockchain has always recommended that users store their bitcoins in such a way as to maintain control and ownership of their keys. Custodial accounts, like those used by Mt. Gox, where other people hold the keys to your bitcoins are risky. Instead, customers should use services like Blockchain.info, where keys are decrypted in the browser, not held on the servers. Alternatively, use a desktop client such as Armory, Bitcoin-Qt, Multibit or Electrum. All of these store the keys in a local, encrypted file that is not shared with any servers or held by anyone else.

Last night, we were shocked to find out about Mt. Gox’s insolvency, as they appear to have committed a grievous breach of trust against their customers.

The Blockchain staff will continue to collaborate with other industry leaders to establish better controls to ensure that events like this are not repeated. We are hopeful that together we can create a more trustworthy industry for the benefit of all existing and future Bitcoin holders.
legendary
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Wow so bottom was 400 on stamp. I deleted my orders @447 and put them at 300 but unfortunately not reached.
sr. member
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Holy shit - just woke up.

Did Gox issue any statement / comment?
legendary
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legendary
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things you own end up owning you

Here's a bullish thought:

Total and sudden Gox insolvency (fraudulent or not, doesn't matter for now) is the best way this situation could have resolved.

740k coins, *extremely cheap* coins compared to the other exchanges, won't hit the market once Gox re-opens as traders arbitrage the shit out of 500+ prices on Bitstamp.

Sure, those coins will hit the market at some point, when Mark wants to buy that cozy Carribean private island, but they have to be laundered first of course.

For now, it's a big relief that the flood gates of cheap goxbux cannot be opened anymore.

My theory:

from working in IT field for many years now, I have a feeling that gox had only a Data Base with entries of existing coins and never had real coins, let me explain, they lost the coins/funds long time ago and they had only a data of who owns what and they kept the exchange running for the whole year thinking about a way to solve that.... we should know that when they stopped/limited their FIAT withdrawals.


I dont know what to believe anymore, but I don't think it was a bank issue even with the seizure of the 5 millions in their US account, they made 10 times number from trading fees only but they couldn't pay customers anyway, a real and easy solution would be to close their bank account an open with another bank, and they could discuss terms with the new bank companies do that all the time and I am sure many banks would like a peace of that pie...

Gox was the pure definition of a Ponzi scheme, they pay old customers with new customers fund and this is how they run this exchange for so long, this is my theory...


 
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