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I don't think Jorge will ever buy. If it's successful, then the price is too high and he'll think it's overvalued. If price drops, then it's not a good investment. Now apply that to every price and situation and there's never a good time to buy for them.

That's what I thought until 10 minutes ago.  But now I think I understand the dynamic better.  Jorge wants to believe.  If we pass the previous all-time high, he will decide to buy a few coins, as the logic will suddenly make sense.  It is people like him who become the impetus for the next growth spurt.  

If he does buy you know it'll be at the top of the next bubble so he call scream "ponzi" all the way down.
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edit: I suspect we are being rolled by Jorge.

One has to wonder...  maybe he was so embarrassed about his ponzi agenda that he'll now use the classic, "I was just pulling your leg the whole time." And he should be embarrassed with his claims of "academic purposes" when he does little to no research, redefines common words like "success" to suit his goals. He's giving a lesson on how NOT to approach Bitcoin academically.
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Since december, even a foreign tourist cannot pay for a hotel bill or meal in China with bitcoin.  So the bitcoin project is already dead in China.

Not dead. Merely in Chinese slumber.

Not to mention Jorge has zero idea whether someone may indeed be using/accepting Bitcoin for those very things unbeknownst to the government. Isn't Huobi a Chinese exchange?
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I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.

the world is tired with the drama they're bringing


Indeed, but the wheel turns.

On Monday, this mob roll out and open their doors.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=605132259561464

The BTC landscape could a lot better in a month's time.


er don't get the association with the above link ?

It's a promo (which has followed a month long teaser campaign) for the world's first BTC bank, based in Cyprus -- Neo&Bee.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.2860;topicseen


Imagine people with barrow loads of unwanted Euros queuing patiently to buy BTCs  Grin

first BTC bank?!.....i dont understand...are they just a btc exchange then?

and ive got to add that Rampion is one of my favourite posters on this forum..words of wisdom!


You should read the first post of the thread linked above. It has a lot of information that could answer your questions: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ipvo-multiple-exchanges-neo-bee-lmb-holdings-289730

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Ditto for the claim that Governments cannot stop bitcoin.

It must be a semantics issue which you're hung up on with regard to this issue. Governments cannot stop Bitcoin. They can ban it or otherwise criminalize it but that won't stop it from being used. I guess the only way we'd know is to give it a whirl.

My definition of "success" is "it is used by many people for ordinary payments because it is cheaper/faster/safer than using a bank or credit card". That will not happen if it illegal to use it.

Very convenient for you. If I define success as "being used on the moon" then Bitcoin has failed already. If I define success as "being used at all anywhere by anyone for any purpose" then it has already succeeded. I suppose this rests in one's narrow redefinition of success.

How about instead of using attempts to redefine reality to suit your agenda you simply, you know, for "academic purposes," use the friggin' dictionary to define success.
"the favorable or prosperous termination of attempts or endeavors; the accomplishment of one's goals"
"The achievement of something desired, planned, or attempted"
Look at that. According to our shared reality Bitcoin is a success right now.
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It's a promo (which has followed a month long teaser campaign) for the world's first BTC bank, based in Cyprus -- Neo&Bee.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.2860;topicseen

Interior of premises -



Imagine people with barrow loads of unwanted Euros queuing patiently to buy BTCs  Grin

Thanks for posting this, I didn't realise they were so close to launch already!
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I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.

the world is tired with the drama they're bringing


Indeed, but the wheel turns.

On Monday, this mob roll out and open their doors.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=605132259561464

The BTC landscape could a lot better in a month's time.


er don't get the association with the above link ?

It's a promo (which has followed a month long teaser campaign) for the world's first BTC bank, based in Cyprus -- Neo&Bee.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.2860;topicseen


Imagine people with barrow loads of unwanted Euros queuing patiently to buy BTCs  Grin

first BTC bank?!.....i dont understand...are they just a btc exchange then?

and ive got to add that Rampion is one of my favourite posters on this forum..words of wisdom!
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Ditto for the claim that Governments cannot stop bitcoin.

It must be a semantics issue which you're hung up on with regard to this issue. Governments cannot stop Bitcoin. They can ban it or otherwise criminalize it but that won't stop it from being used. I guess the only way we'd know is to give it a whirl.

My definition of "success" is "it is used by many people for ordinary payments because it is cheaper/faster/safer than using a bank or credit card". That will not happen if it illegal to use it.  

Since december, even a foreign tourist cannot pay for a hotel bill or meal in China with bitcoin.  So the bitcoin project is already dead in China.

The Chinese government still allows trading inside the exchanges only because they feel that it is harmless. If they saw a threat there, they could easily close the exchanges, and block access to the network if necessary.  

Again, I do not see how the blockchain could be maintained if the US government decided to ban bitcoin.

You really understood nothing on Bitcoin if you thought that its success depends on a random Chinese being able to pay for his meal with it. Nothing.

First, Bitcoin was never meant to be a system with which consumers all over the world recurrently pay for meals or other day by day expenses. It simply does not scale. Remember it is blockchain based, and thus "heavy" and relatively "slow".  Many people in the world are not able to pay for their meals with gold: so what?

Secondly, the revolutionary aspect of Bitcoin is that it CANNOT be killed. You see how hard has tried the US to kill torrent, and how that played out? Even if there is a global ban, the protocol cannot be blocked effectively, (everybody should already be running Bitcoin through Tor anyway), and even if "they" (banks and govs) manage to destroy the last exchange on earth, OTC would still happen and probably a big part of the global black market would embrace Bitcoin as a consequence of this global ban. Bitcoins would still hold a value - we all know what kind of markups we have on illegal things.

Bitcoin's core values (decentralized and trustless) would remain un scattered in this global ban scenario . You seem to do not understand the huge implications of these two core characteristics of this game changing technology. In these times of surveillance, globalization and centralization, a technology like Bitcoin will simply NOT go away because it is SO important and SO empowering.

Probably the difference between you and us is that you are thinking in purely economical terms. Even in that case, it's pretty strange that you compare Bitcoin to a Ponzi or a bubble when there has been NO ponzis and NO bubbles in history that have behaved like Bitcoin. That argument could have been valid in mid-2011, now it's just a ridiculous way to embarrass yourself. Shoe me a "bubble" which have gone through three phases as Bitcoin did, with similar appreciation and deflation in each one of the phases, and I might listen. You will find none, because that's not how bubbles/ponzis work: they go up uP UP until they crash flat to the floor, to never recover.

But remember, Bitcoin is much more than a speculative vehicle or a micro-payment network. Bitcoin is freedom, and it's also a way to say fuck off to the establishment, regardless of the regulations/bans that might been put in place.

Don't underestimate that.
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I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.

the world is tired with the drama they're bringing


Indeed, but the wheel turns.

On Monday, this mob roll out and open their doors.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=605132259561464

The BTC landscape could a lot better in a month's time.


er don't get the association with the above link ?

It's a promo (which has followed a month long teaser campaign) for the world's first BTC bank, based in Cyprus -- Neo&Bee.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.2860;topicseen

Interior of premises -



Imagine people with barrow loads of unwanted Euros queuing patiently to buy BTCs  Grin
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Clueless!
I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.

the world is tired with the drama they're bringing


Indeed, but the wheel turns.

On Monday, this mob roll out and open their doors.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=605132259561464

The BTC landscape could a lot better in a month's time.


er don't get the association with the above link ?
legendary
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Lazy, cynical and insolent since 1968
I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.

the world is tired with the drama they're bringing


Indeed, but the wheel turns.

On Monday, this mob roll out and open their doors.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=605132259561464

The BTC landscape could a lot better in a month's time.
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Clueless!
I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.

the world is tired with the drama they're bringing


http://www.coindesk.com/has-company-found-workaround-mt-gox-withdrawals/


this way is real drama buying mtgox coins now at 4x to 1x worth compared to bitstamp

more balls then I have but this indeed is 'speculation'

you are just getting mtgox bitcoin from him in your mtgox account you both are betting that eventually you can get btc out

not sure about this indeed....coward that I am Smiley

anyway this is bitcoin price movement and speculation figured it was interesting enough in a "oh my god no way" kinda way

Searing
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I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.

the world is tired with the drama they're bringing
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I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.

yes for a moment i thought they had removed it all together....but putting it after ltc is very apt.
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I notice on bitcoinwisdom Gox is now last on the list of important prices atop the page behind LTC/US on btc-e.
That's an interesting move.
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If it was easier to get fiat onto Gox you could make a killing now via bitcoinbuilder. Of course, the reason the difference is so big is precisely that it is difficult/slow to do for almost everybody.

Can someone tell me how exactly are they able to run this service?

Gox internal BTC transfers work. So if you want to sell your stuck Gox BTC you send them to the bitcoinbuilder Gox address. If you want to buy some, you send them real BTC to their regular BTC address. They are a middleman, getting a 2% fee... with 5-6k volume per day... it's a pretty profitable idea to say the least.

Interesting. Thank you for the info. Definitely a good idea from BB's shoes.
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If it was easier to get fiat onto Gox you could make a killing now via bitcoinbuilder. Of course, the reason the difference is so big is precisely that it is difficult/slow to do for almost everybody.

Can someone tell me how exactly are they able to run this service?

Gox internal BTC transfers work. So if you want to sell your stuck Gox BTC you send them to the bitcoinbuilder Gox address. If you want to buy some, you send them real BTC to their regular BTC address. They are a middleman, getting a 2% fee... with 5-6k volume per day... it's a pretty profitable idea to say the least.
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