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legendary
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Most of the forum posters here, being from the US or EU don't realize it because they don't see it. It is extremely difficult to buy coins in volume from 3rd world countries.

If you're a South American today, you cannot hook your bank to any exchange. You cannot get market prices. There is no way to acquire ""fair"" value BTC other than LocalBitcoins or the such. None.

Only people with access to foreign bank acc's can. The rest buy p2p or with CC's in dodgy sites, and always at 15-25% markup.

it's not just the 3rd world countries though, people in most countries are paying 5-10% premium because of the international transfers involved, Australia to Gox for eg. is like 5% + $90 USD.


Yes it an unfair advantage to the most advanced countries, but the hope is that this time, they can be ripped off only once, after that the playing field can be more leveled.
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Happy New Year from Belgium!  Smiley

(couple of hours to go)
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Does anyone else get a little fed up with this sort of attitude?


Sometimes it annoys me. Then I check my Bitcoin balance and imagine the subject having to struggle to obtain a few hundred mBTC down the road and I feel better.

Yeah, my stragegy has been to only inform my closest. But it is sometimes intriguing to ask some snotty questions when others ramble on with the stability of fiat, the trust in the powers that be, and such things. And sometimes I can't stop too... but it is a waste of time.
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One and a half hour for the New Year in Greece. Twaz quite a year. Off to get drunk and stuff. Cheers everybody!

Cheers macsga and Happy New Year everyone!

(Still 11 hours here in Vancouver)
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Strange, yet attractive.
One and a half hour for the New Year in Greece. Twaz quite a year. Off to get drunk and stuff. Cheers everybody!
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We'd have a mid-sixties gramma whale lurking the bitcoin seas!

Showing Loaded how it's done! Would be something!

Happy New Year you alls!
legendary
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 How I rue the warm autumn day in 2009 when my mom emailed me a note on bitcoin from some obscure "New Age" website and I was too arrogant to even read it.  

lol! Your mum got in before you! That's rich!  Grin

It's quite sad actually.  She wanted to get $100 worth.  IIRC MtGox wasn't even around at that time, but I think there was some other way to buy some.  I had it in my head that it was just some stupid video game money so I didn't put forth than 20 min of effort it would have taken to help her.   


Dont worry, I'm sure 10k BTC would've troubled her now. As I'm sure your stack will be enough to care for your needs.

We'd have a mid-sixties gramma whale lurking the bitcoin seas!
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 How I rue the warm autumn day in 2009 when my mom emailed me a note on bitcoin from some obscure "New Age" website and I was too arrogant to even read it.  

lol! Your mum got in before you! That's rich!  Grin

It's quite sad actually.  She wanted to get $100 worth.  IIRC MtGox wasn't even around at that time, but I think there was some other way to buy some.  I had it in my head that it was just some stupid video game money so I didn't put forth than 20 min of effort it would have taken to help her.   


Dont worry, I'm sure 10k BTC would've troubled her now. As I'm sure your stack will be enough to care for your needs.
legendary
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 How I rue the warm autumn day in 2009 when my mom emailed me a note on bitcoin from some obscure "New Age" website and I was too arrogant to even read it.  

lol! Your mum got in before you! That's rich!  Grin

It's quite sad actually.  She wanted to get $100 worth.  IIRC MtGox wasn't even around at that time, but I think there was some other way to buy some.  I had it in my head that it was just some stupid video game money so I didn't put forth than 20 min of effort it would have taken to help her.   


Oh. Bad luck.
Does she have a keen understanding of such things or was it just on a whim for her?
Guess you owe her a few coins.  Smiley

I think just a whim.  And yes I've sent a few coins her way Smiley
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 How I rue the warm autumn day in 2009 when my mom emailed me a note on bitcoin from some obscure "New Age" website and I was too arrogant to even read it.  

lol! Your mum got in before you! That's rich!  Grin

It's quite sad actually.  She wanted to get $100 worth.  IIRC MtGox wasn't even around at that time, but I think there was some other way to buy some.  I had it in my head that it was just some stupid video game money so I didn't put forth than 20 min of effort it would have taken to help her.   


Oh. Bad luck.
Does she have a keen understanding of such things or was it just on a whim for her?
Guess you owe her a few coins.  Smiley
legendary
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 How I rue the warm autumn day in 2009 when my mom emailed me a note on bitcoin from some obscure "New Age" website and I was too arrogant to even read it.  

lol! Your mum got in before you! That's rich!  Grin

It's quite sad actually.  She wanted to get $100 worth.  IIRC MtGox wasn't even around at that time, but I think there was some other way to buy some.  I had it in my head that it was just some stupid video game money so I didn't put forth than 20 min of effort it would have taken to help her.   
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 How I rue the warm autumn day in 2009 when my mom emailed me a note on bitcoin from some obscure "New Age" website and I was too arrogant to even read it.  


lol! Your mum got in before you! That's rich!  Grin
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Happy New Year from down under...

Without intending to, I ended up acting as a bit of a Bitcoin advocate tonight while out with friends at a New Years Eve party. I tried to enlighten them (inadvertently came up with a different analogy each time) as to what Bitcoin really was, but in the end the main 'argument' they had against it was "If I can't touch it, it's not real - I don't trust the internet with it". Which is ironic since that is basically what they're doing with their bank accounts.

One guy was a Financial Advisor (capital 'F', capital 'A' - his distinction, not mine) who said he was happy to "argue against Bitcoin all night". I (successfully, I think) countered every roadblock he threw up about Bitcoin and ended up betting him that one Bitcoin would be worth more than $50,000USD in 3 years (perhaps a little bullish, although can you blame me?)*. I confess, I may have been a little inebriated by this point, but I am getting a little fed up with the ramblings of people who have not taken a few minutes out of their day to research what Bitcoin actually is (i.e. a protocol as well as a currency), but instead act as if they're experts who foresee the demise of this 'imaginary money'.

Does anyone else get a little fed up with this sort of attitude?

(Apologies if this post does not belong in this thread... It's just that this is the main thread I read (every morning without fail, I trawl through the 8 or so pages that have been posted overnight... > 8 pages = something big has happened, < 8 pages = price has remained stagnant.) Although, it seems 'stagnant' in Bitcoin vernacular is akin to 'short-term' or 'temporary' in normal trading terms.)

*Bought at $1060 and have been 'hodling' ever since.
 
Hi JulieFig, my counter-attack against such people is to appeal to the logically desire to maximize wealth.  You ask them this:

You meet a generous billionaire who loves to gamble just for the lulz.  He offers you a bet: he says he's going to toss a coin (a provably fair coin) and you get to call it in the air.  If you lose, you lose your bet, but if you win, you win 20 X what you bet.  You only get one shot at this.  How much would you bet?

Even if you detest the concept of bitcoin and assign it a small probablity of success, it is logical to at least make a small bet in case it succeeds.  Why not risk $100 in case it goes to $500,000 per bitcoin?  

*To do this, you must be able to convince them that should bitcoin *one day* become a dominant global currency, it must have a market cap measured in hundreds of billion or trillions of dollars.  This is fact, but still some people can't understand that if more people buy something of limited supply that the price must rise.
Well to those people, BTC still sounds like every other get-rich-quick money making scam out there and "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is."

Yes, you're right.  How quickly I forgot that I used to be one of those people.  How I rue the warm autumn day in 2009 when my mom emailed me a note on bitcoin from some obscure "New Age" website and I was too arrogant to even read it.  
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Have you heard about the huge of donations that flooded Philippines after the typhoon? Believe it or not. Many of the funds were missing and the places that has been devastated is still misserable. Even the donations has been taxed. I wonder if it's still the same scene if the donations was sent in bitcoin instead. We don't have any taxation laws for intangible goods yet.

I think the odds would be better as they could be received by organisers in the destination country instead of some western middleman scam charity.


btw, check out what bill gates invests in to help the world..

http://www.blacklistednews.com/The_Bill_%26_Melinda_Gates_Foundation_exposed/31334/0/38/38/Y/M.html
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Bitcoin is interesting because it allows one to work towards something they believe in while simultaneously earning a profit (should the price continue to rise).  


+1

And that's the interesting and exciting thing about the de-centralisation - anyone is welcome to start a Bitcoin business as if it was a de-centralised company. These early start ups are 100% free to do as they please - they are not a franchise, they are not a subsidiary, etc. There is a mass of potential here (and we can see smart investors rushing to get into the main players so far).

Some of the early Bitcoiners now have enough wealth to create or invest in Bitcoin companies, and they are doing so.

Each and every miner is also part of the engine that powers Bitcoin. They are providing a service.

These factors and more are what keeps Bitcoin supported when speculation gets weak - that's why overall Bitcoin is not in a bubble at all.
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Happy New Year from down under...

Without intending to, I ended up acting as a bit of a Bitcoin advocate tonight while out with friends at a New Years Eve party. I tried to enlighten them (inadvertently came up with a different analogy each time) as to what Bitcoin really was, but in the end the main 'argument' they had against it was "If I can't touch it, it's not real - I don't trust the internet with it". Which is ironic since that is basically what they're doing with their bank accounts.

One guy was a Financial Advisor (capital 'F', capital 'A' - his distinction, not mine) who said he was happy to "argue against Bitcoin all night". I (successfully, I think) countered every roadblock he threw up about Bitcoin and ended up betting him that one Bitcoin would be worth more than $50,000USD in 3 years (perhaps a little bullish, although can you blame me?)*. I confess, I may have been a little inebriated by this point, but I am getting a little fed up with the ramblings of people who have not taken a few minutes out of their day to research what Bitcoin actually is (i.e. a protocol as well as a currency), but instead act as if they're experts who foresee the demise of this 'imaginary money'.

Does anyone else get a little fed up with this sort of attitude?

(Apologies if this post does not belong in this thread... It's just that this is the main thread I read (every morning without fail, I trawl through the 8 or so pages that have been posted overnight... > 8 pages = something big has happened, < 8 pages = price has remained stagnant.) Although, it seems 'stagnant' in Bitcoin vernacular is akin to 'short-term' or 'temporary' in normal trading terms.)

*Bought at $1060 and have been 'hodling' ever since.
 

Hi JulieFig, my counter-attack against such people is to appeal to the logically desire to maximize wealth.  You ask them this:

You meet a generous billionaire who loves to gamble just for the lulz.  He offers you a bet: he says he's going to toss a coin (a provably fair coin) and you get to call it in the air.  If you lose, you lose your bet, but if you win, you win 20 X what you bet.  You only get one shot at this.  How much would you bet?

Even if you detest the concept of bitcoin and assign it a small probablity of success, it is logical to at least make a small bet in case it succeeds.  Why not risk $100 in case it goes to $500,000 per bitcoin?  

*To do this, you must be able to convince them that should bitcoin *one day* become a dominant global currency, it must have a market cap measured in hundreds of billion or trillions of dollars.  This is fact, but still some people can't understand that if more people buy something of limited supply that the price must rise.



Well to those people, BTC still sounds like every other get-rich-quick money making scam out there and "if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is." These people are quickly identified and I don't waste my time. Even those who want to throw money at BTC because of how much it's risen, I tell them you have to understand BTC before buying into it. (I don't want to deal with anyone who gets pissed at me because the price starts crashing after they buy in.) One of my colleagues wants to buy and I explained you have to understand what BTC is. She's like Why? I'm only spending $10. Well, can't argue with that I guess.  Wink
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Have you heard about the huge of donations that flooded Philippines after the typhoon? Believe it or not. Many of the funds were missing and the places that has been devastated is still misserable. Even the donations has been taxed. I wonder if it's still the same scene if the donations was sent in bitcoin instead. We don't have any taxation laws for intangible goods yet.
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It's pretty funny really, people here still going on about what they would like to happen to btc, or what is good for btc - it seems to me that over the last few weeks that noble ship has sailed.

People buying now are purely speculators who couldn't care less about btc long term - this is a gold rush. Except it's one that can be shut down pretty quickly by regulation or other scenarios - so a high risk gold rush. Nothing more.

People here simply want others to buy more btc, so they can sell their btc for more, no-one gives a wotsit whether a single satoshi is ever spent or used in commerce. It's sad as it was such a good idea too.

Happy New Year!!

(may have had a glass or two of wine )

I don't get that sense at all.  I think most people believe that bitcoin will be a better way to store wealth and exchange value with people across the globe.  It is a powerful idea that will probably lead to advances that we can't even imagine yet.  I feel we have a chance here to leave a better world behind for our children.  I also think most people will always hold a portion of their wealth in bitcoin, regardless of how high the price rises.  

About the profit: Of course people want to increase their wealth.  What is wrong with that?  A fir tree doesn't say, hmm, I think I'll stop growing now that I'm 100 ft tall.  No, the fir tree says I'm going to keep reaching for the sun!  This is just the way nature is.  I think to advance as a society we need to become more self-aware of what we really are.  

Bitcoin is interesting because it allows one to work towards something they believe in while simultaneously earning a profit (should the price continue to rise).  

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