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big chart thing here

This is just how I see it.  I could and I probably am wrong, but this is what I have in my mind, for the short term future.

Agreed.  We are about to move back down.  I expect a new low.

lol, new low is correct. but rather a new low of your btc holdings.

(those of you who did sell above 900  Wink)


Short term trade. Target 750(btce) 800(mtgox) and get out. > 25% move if you got in correctly.

I trade litecoin, so I may end up getting >40%

Whats your target on the downside?
I'm in complete agreement (it's as though I'm learning) -- I'm in at 490 (a bit better than 40% return already), so feeling good, hoping for 800 (830?) Grin
Downside, probably below 400. You?

Edit: I just saw the continued dialogue above-- pays to read, I 'spose. :-) ("stealing" he says, hehehehe)


490 is very nice, which exchange though?
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Would you guys comment on bitfinex please? Seems like in a bearish state-of-mind, shorting would be a useful tool.


What do you want to be commented on?

The exchange is run by one very friendly, extremely competent engineer, and one asshat (who unfortunately is in charge of their PR).

They have lots of potential, but their biggest problem is reliability: if you plan on trading large-ish amount, I'd recommend trading on bitstamp (their "attached" exchange) directly.

Who is the asshat? Are you talking about Raphael? Because, except on one occasion, I have found him to be very helpful and responsive if not a shade clueless.

Raphael is the, allow me to quote myself, "very friendly, extremely competent engineer". I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader who the asshat is Smiley




Would you guys comment on bitfinex please...
What do you want to be commented on?

The exchange is run by one very friendly, extremely competent engineer, and one asshat (who unfortunately is in charge of their PR).

They have lots of potential, but their biggest problem is reliability: if you plan on trading large-ish amount, I'd recommend trading on bitstamp (their "attached" exchange) directly.

Who is the asshat? Are you talking about Raphael? Because, except on one occasion, I have found him to be very helpful and responsive if not a shade clueless.
Thank you guys-- yes, Oda, that helps. Mostly I was wondering about reliability, so I'm still concerned about it. However, it 'sounds' like they are the most reliable exchange that allows shorting (I didn't think Bitstamp does, idk).
And, I imagine that under a couple of hundred coins (not saying) is not large-ish. Whaddya think?

Again, thanks to both of you. :-)

Reliability issues, as I've encountered them, include the ability to use leveraged trading (which has a habit of "breaking" when things move fast, i.e. during a crash) ("breaking" meaning for example, that they have in the past turned it off entirely when they thought markets were overheating -- a huge fauxpas, IMO), and perhaps more importantly, their link to Bitstamp can be problematic: during a rally it happens regularly that they run out of USD on Bitstamp... they're aware of it, they regularly send fresh money there, I'm not accusing them of being amateurs... I just have to point that it is a fact that, regularly, trades can't be executed on Bitstamp when the market moves fast (up, usually).

My recommendation would be: if you have relatively *little* capital, trade on Bitfinex. The ability to use leveraged trading can be helpful then, if you know what you're doing (if you don't, you'll be bankrupt soon.)

If you trade amounts in the range of 100 BTC upwards, I would personally recommend Bitstamp. You lose the ability to use leverage, but then again, slippage is already bas as it is with larger trades, so unless you really *want* to see your order eating through the entire order book, you don't want to use leverage anyway.

That's quite helpful, I really appreciate it. The very thing that you describe about shutting down/breaking when the action gets big, is the reason I've had to rethink how to trade on gox (because it, too, breaks when the action is big). [As an aside, it was I think maz and I that timed our market buys recently, and each of us came back with a number over 4 minutes for execution. I lost thousands of dollars.] Much easier to be putting in passive orders (limits) and go fishing than try to 'run the ball' on these immature exchanges.

One last question, and, forgive me, I'm not trying to be lazy, but does Bitstamp offer shorting? (I realize that leverage is like fishing with dynamite that has a very short fuse)
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No doubt there will be a lot of cheap coins as china liquidates but anything under 700 is now cheap coins. I think we'll probably hit 550 at some stage but not for long.
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big chart thing here

This is just how I see it.  I could and I probably am wrong, but this is what I have in my mind, for the short term future.

Agreed.  We are about to move back down.  I expect a new low.

lol, new low is correct. but rather a new low of your btc holdings.

(those of you who did sell above 900  Wink)


Short term trade. Target 750(btce) 800(mtgox) and get out. > 25% move if you got in correctly.

I trade litecoin, so I may end up getting >40%

Whats your target on the downside?
I'm in complete agreement (it's as though I'm learning) -- I'm in at 490 (a bit better than 40% return already), so feeling good, hoping for 800 (830?) Grin
Downside, probably below 400. You?

Edit: I just saw the continued dialogue above-- pays to read, I 'spose. :-) ("stealing" he says, hehehehe)
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Marketing manager - GO MP
That overstock interview smells fishy.
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Care to explain wtf is overstock.com to an European fellow that never heard about them before?
Typical forum member, why research it myself and get real answers, when I can ask manipulators, schemers, and total schmucks...

Mine was just a way of saying that nobody knows who the f is overstock.com outside the US - and no, overstock is not only "one step behind amazon", in terms of turnover is at least 30 steps behind amazon, which is indeed a global brand.

I guess my irony was not very good, sorry for that.
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Would you guys comment on bitfinex please? Seems like in a bearish state-of-mind, shorting would be a useful tool.


What do you want to be commented on?

The exchange is run by one very friendly, extremely competent engineer, and one asshat (who unfortunately is in charge of their PR).

They have lots of potential, but their biggest problem is reliability: if you plan on trading large-ish amount, I'd recommend trading on bitstamp (their "attached" exchange) directly.

Who is the asshat? Are you talking about Raphael? Because, except on one occasion, I have found him to be very helpful and responsive if not a shade clueless.

Raphael is the, allow me to quote myself, "very friendly, extremely competent engineer". I'll leave it as an exercise for the reader who the asshat is Smiley




Would you guys comment on bitfinex please...
What do you want to be commented on?

The exchange is run by one very friendly, extremely competent engineer, and one asshat (who unfortunately is in charge of their PR).

They have lots of potential, but their biggest problem is reliability: if you plan on trading large-ish amount, I'd recommend trading on bitstamp (their "attached" exchange) directly.

Who is the asshat? Are you talking about Raphael? Because, except on one occasion, I have found him to be very helpful and responsive if not a shade clueless.
Thank you guys-- yes, Oda, that helps. Mostly I was wondering about reliability, so I'm still concerned about it. However, it 'sounds' like they are the most reliable exchange that allows shorting (I didn't think Bitstamp does, idk).
And, I imagine that under a couple of hundred coins (not saying) is not large-ish. Whaddya think?

Again, thanks to both of you. :-)

Reliability issues, as I've encountered them, include the ability to use leveraged trading (which has a habit of "breaking" when things move fast, i.e. during a crash) ("breaking" meaning for example, that they have in the past turned it off entirely when they thought markets were overheating -- a huge fauxpas, IMO), and perhaps more importantly, their link to Bitstamp can be problematic: during a rally it happens regularly that they run out of USD on Bitstamp... they're aware of it, they regularly send fresh money there, I'm not accusing them of being amateurs... I just have to point that it is a fact that, regularly, trades can't be executed on Bitstamp when the market moves fast (up, usually).

My recommendation would be: if you have relatively *little* capital, trade on Bitfinex. The ability to use leveraged trading can be helpful then, if you know what you're doing (if you don't, you'll be bankrupt soon.)

If you trade amounts in the range of 100 BTC upwards, I would personally recommend Bitstamp. You lose the ability to use leverage, but then again, slippage is already bas as it is with larger trades, so unless you really *want* to see your order eating through the entire order book, you don't want to use leverage anyway.
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What's clear is that China has ostensibly decoupled. However, I doubt another dump there would not be reflected across the market, rather the opposite, and within a week or two.

Actually Mt.Gox is still tracking BTC-China. (Or the other way around? Or both are tracking someting else?).
However the "exchange rate" jumped by some 10-15% since Dec/17.
The chart below shows hourly closing pricesfrom Nov/28 (day "-2") 00:00 to Dec/19 21:00.

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You're never too old to think young.
This is my OFFICIAL trolling space, so I beg your pardon! I've also have the OP's ratification on this... ain't that Adam? Grin

Oh, you misunderstand. I'm in favor of trolling the thread with trains and rockets. I think we should all just do that for about 4 or 5 solid pages.
Aaaaw? Does it have to be trains and rockets?

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Strange, yet attractive.
As a last comment for the night, before I leave you for the land of dreams (me and Loaded gonna meet there), I'm posting this for the newbies. Have a nice one people; goodnight from Greece.

I personally follow and post here the UPDATED 5 rules of success for you:
1. Don't get emotional from other's people thoughts.
2. Not everyone here is a "nice person" you can trust.
3. IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, DON'T TRADE.
4. HODL!!!
5. Until you desperately need the money follow rule #4.

Good Luck!
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This is just how I see it.  I could and I probably am wrong, but this is what I have in my mind, for the short term future.

Agreed.  We are about to move back down.  I expect a new low.

lol, new low is correct. but rather a new low of your btc holdings.

(those of you who did sell above 900  Wink)


Short term trade. Target 750(btce) 800(mtgox) and get out. > 25% move if you got in correctly.

I trade litecoin, so I may end up getting >40%

Whats your target on the downside?
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Strange, yet attractive.
Is Loaded up yet? I want to know what happened in that toilet in China Grin

Dead/dying now. Going to sleep for 15 hours. Expect some upside IF I had any successful.

Yes, I did specifically have to request a normal toilet in a five star hotel suite. They put it in the bathroom away from where I'm sleeping. I ruined a thousand dollar suit the last time I had to use one of those.
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Care to explain wtf is overstock.com to an European fellow that never heard about them before?

http://www.overstock.com/intlcountryselect
* EuroTrash drooling

I'm glad they're forcing me to wait until late 2014.  I'm pretty sure I'd end up spending quite a bit there if they were already accepting BTC.

Right!? Being able to easily spend BTC will be the fun part... *back to work accumulating*
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The question is... What side are you on?

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Would you guys comment on bitfinex please...
What do you want to be commented on?

The exchange is run by one very friendly, extremely competent engineer, and one asshat (who unfortunately is in charge of their PR).

They have lots of potential, but their biggest problem is reliability: if you plan on trading large-ish amount, I'd recommend trading on bitstamp (their "attached" exchange) directly.

Who is the asshat? Are you talking about Raphael? Because, except on one occasion, I have found him to be very helpful and responsive if not a shade clueless.
Thank you guys-- yes, Oda, that helps. Mostly I was wondering about reliability, so I'm still concerned about it. However, it 'sounds' like they are the most reliable exchange that allows shorting (I didn't think Bitstamp does, idk).
And, I imagine that under a couple of hundred coins (not saying) is not large-ish. Whaddya think?

Again, thanks to both of you. :-)
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Energy is Wealth
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103 days, 21 hours and 10 minutes.
FYI.  Bitfinex margin trading is working again.

Party starts now
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I really do Love bitcoin... Such a wild ride lately. And no telling what is coming, since news like overstock can hit anytime. Wooo!
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