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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 31668. (Read 26609730 times)

legendary
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The last time Gox was down nothing much happened. Wouldn't get too excited.

Am not really excited - but Stamp is pulling back and I suspect people are selling there just in case.

Not great for market confidence, so it is understandable.

Cheap coins for the brave?

legendary
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Clark Moody says Gox down 8 bux - red candles showing - but no trades moving - anyone seen this?

I believe the price is between 823 and 825 Gox. What are you seeing?

Bitcoinwisdom (usually more reliable) showing 826.

But trades list shows orders stuck at an 840 / 842 spread - I guess that was when it froze...

But if so, how come it moves down?

http://bitcoinwisdom.com/markets/mtgox/btcusd

newbie
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The last time Gox was down nothing much happened. Wouldn't get too excited.
full member
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Clark Moody says Gox down 8 bux - red candles showing - but no trades moving - anyone seen this?

I believe the price is between 823 and 825 Gox. What are you seeing?
full member
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GOX tip!?  Sad

OK, so if you're in a tight position, (like I am) and need or want to get out (I hate talking this way, please don't flame me),
you might be able to queue a sell by spamming reload and then once you get a gox page, place your order over and over until it finally says 'queued for execution'. (I'm not talking about market sells btws)  Undecided  Grin
legendary
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Clark Moody says Gox down 8 bux - red candles showing - but no trades moving - anyone seen this?
full member
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Mt Gox website says:

"Reliable

We're always on. Buy and sell Bitcoin 24/7/365 with the world's most sophisticated trading platform. "

We nearly had both Stamp and Gox down simultaneously - hmmm....



Are they not still down?

I am getting '502 Bad gateway'  

Have been for a few minutes - Stamp is on, though (am in UK, btw)

Still down. If you spam Reload, you can get through, but can't place orders, as you get 502 again (no surprise).

Bet's on price movement when it's back!??!?!??!?  Angry Grin Sad Cheesy Huh Tongue
hero member
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This reeks of manipulation. The bears are gonna have a field day when Gox comes back online.
legendary
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Mt Gox website says:

"Reliable

We're always on. Buy and sell Bitcoin 24/7/365 with the world's most sophisticated trading platform. "

We nearly had both Stamp and Gox down simultaneously - hmmm....



Are they not still down?

I am getting '502 Bad gateway'  

Have been for a few minutes - Stamp is on, though (am in UK, btw)
legendary
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Look, I get that argument. But, it's worth expanding passed the ostensible case. The ledger of Bitcoin *does* have inherent value. Maybe it doesn't seem to, because no one is using it that way. But, as a securities ledger or track of ownership, those *books*, if you will, have inherent value, as data record of ownership-- or, once they start getting used, they will.

True. But I think that is weakly liked to the price. Which is why I used the word "trivially". Bitcoin's price is almost pure demand. It's almost Platonic in its nature.
sr. member
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Mt Gox website says:

"Reliable

We're always on. Buy and sell Bitcoin 24/7/365 with the world's most sophisticated trading platform. "

We nearly had both Stamp and Gox down simultaneously - hmmm....



Are they not still down?
legendary
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Mt Gox website says:

"Reliable

We're always on. Buy and sell Bitcoin 24/7/365 with the world's most sophisticated trading platform. "

We nearly had both Stamp and Gox down simultaneously - hmmm....


legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
Bitcoin has no "inherent value" (or what it does have contributes trivially) and is of limited supply. Thus there is nothing which provides a downward price pressure other than sentiment. What many claim as a weakness is actually a strength (As is the case with the many things that people often criticize about Bitcoin)



*I don't believe in inherent value but am using it here as a shorthand which I hope we all understand.
Also see the south sea bubble
full member
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All people calling bitcoin a tulip craze don't realize that one of the main differences between both phenomenons is that the tulip craze was not supported by a worldwide digital platform called the internet. I mean the internet seems to be causing a qualitative effect on several phenomenons once they reach a quantitative peak thanks to the ease of interaction the internet provides. Look at the Arab spring, what seemed like a regular discontent or protest that wouldn't achieve much managed to topple whole governments. In my opinion this day and age we are witnessing very nice examples on how quantitative changes lead to qualitative ones thanks to the internet. So trying to predict what will happen to bitcoin using a phenomenon which happened centuries ago without having something like the internet to support it is not very accurate IMO.
Don't overcomplicate things. Tulips are useless.

Tulips are not useless, they might not be a good currency but they can be a store of value, nobody has control over your Tulips but you

They are not useless. They have an "inherent value"* which will always act to stabilize the price against a price rise (hence the bubble) and it is not difficult to increase the supply.

Bitcoin has no "inherent value" (or what it does have contributes trivially) and is of limited supply. Thus there is nothing which provides a downward price pressure other than sentiment. What many claim as a weakness is actually a strength (As is the case with the many things that people often criticize about Bitcoin)



*I don't believe in inherent value but am using it here as a shorthand which I hope we all understand.

Look, I get that argument. But, it's worth expanding passed the ostensible case. The ledger of Bitcoin *does* have inherent value. Maybe it doesn't seem to, because no one is using it that way. But, as a securities ledger or track of ownership, those *books*, if you will, have inherent value, as data record of ownership-- or, once they start getting used, they will.
legendary
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1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k
Bitstamp down once again, when there will be an exchange that cares about their long-time brand?

The exchanges that care about their long-term brand aren't touching Bitcoin (yet). Welcome to the Wild West.

You know the stock market started out in coffee shops, right? (If I recall correctly)


And I do (of course Smiley )

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan's_Coffee-House
legendary
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legendary
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1RichyTrEwPYjZSeAYxeiFBNnKC9UjC5k
All people calling bitcoin a tulip craze don't realize that one of the main differences between both phenomenons is that the tulip craze was not supported by a worldwide digital platform called the internet. I mean the internet seems to be causing a qualitative effect on several phenomenons once they reach a quantitative peak thanks to the ease of interaction the internet provides. Look at the Arab spring, what seemed like a regular discontent or protest that wouldn't achieve much managed to topple whole governments. In my opinion this day and age we are witnessing very nice examples on how quantitative changes lead to qualitative ones thanks to the internet. So trying to predict what will happen to bitcoin using a phenomenon which happened centuries ago without having something like the internet to support it is not very accurate IMO.
Don't overcomplicate things. Tulips are useless.

Tulips are not useless, they might not be a good currency but they can be a store of value, nobody has control over your Tulips but you

They are not useless. They have an "inherent value"* which will always act to stabilize the price against a price rise (hence the bubble) and it is not difficult to increase the supply.

Bitcoin has no "inherent value" (or what it does have contributes trivially) and is of limited supply. Thus there is nothing which provides a downward price pressure other than sentiment. What many claim as a weakness is actually a strength (As is the case with the many things that people often criticize about Bitcoin)



*I don't believe in inherent value but am using it here as a shorthand which I hope we all understand.
sr. member
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Tulips are not useless, they might not be a good currency but they can be a store of value, nobody has control over your Tulips but you

I wonder what happened to your "BTC value is 90% Silk Road" mantra  Grin

I never said value, I talked about how the only reason why a person on the street would go through the process of buying a bitcoin in order to immediately spend it is/was Silkroad. Oh and ASICS.  Everything else is speculation/'store of value'

I said that bitcoin economy is drugs and asics. 90% of value is speculation.
legendary
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OMG not fcking tulip analogy again. Are noobs always brainless? Can they think for a second?

Thats why they're pigs right?


Agreed. It's the "but its not *worth* anything, argument", every time.

REALLY!!!??? This technology is not worth anything!!? A trustless, decentralized, psuedynonymous account ledger, money receiver, money transmitter, with deflationary design, and low friction is worth nothing!!!??? GTFO

But tulips have all those things AND they look good in your garden.

Hehe... Tulips fight? Well, Gox is down, I'm bored - c'mon you guys go for it
full member
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OMG not fcking tulip analogy again. Are noobs always brainless? Can they think for a second?

Thats why they're pigs right?


Agreed. It's the "but its not *worth* anything, argument", every time.

REALLY!!!??? This technology is not worth anything!!? A trustless, decentralized, psuedynonymous account ledger, money receiver, money transmitter, with deflationary design, and low friction is worth nothing!!!??? GTFO

But tulips have all those things AND they look good in your garden.

 Cheesy +1

I don't always buy Bitcoins,

But, when I do, I plant them in the ground.
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