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Anybody mindrusted yet?



My bank blocked me from sending any more money to Coinbase. I waited a good for hours & managed to get some more into Kraken. Might have to wait a few days now or they might shut my accounts Cheesy



It’s not just bitcoin taking a beating, look at stonks.



Recession incoming, buy as much bitcoin as you can.
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Historically, the 200 WMA has only ever been touched a few times by spot price, but never deeply crossed. In other words, spot price shouldn't go below $22,287 (as of today). If spot price deeply crosses that value (i.e., goes below $20k), it will be a first in Bitcoin's 13-year history.



I think you're confusing price touching the 200 Week MA and closing (a Week) below the 200 Week MA. In reality, out of 4 times price reached this level, price went below it significantly three times (75%).

early 2015: under by about 15%
late 2015: under by about 12% (also closed just below for multiple weeks)
2018: only went $40 below
2020: under by about 29% (also closed just below for 1 week)

I'm not saying it has to do any of the above this time around, just stating the facts here. Ignoring a flash crash event like in 2020, then wicking under by 0%-15% would be completely normal.

As a reminder today is Monday, so price also has the rest of the week to wick below the 200 WMA, before being able to close above it or just below...

So far based on Daily volume (high) and price volatility (-16%), the capitulation does seem sufficient already.

Thanks for that data, which I haven't confirmed, but have no reason to doubt. I haven't zoomed into the price action down to the minute, at the times it touched the 200 WMA, I'm just referring to the data in the chart that I linked to. Note that, in that 200 WMA chart, the spot price is daily, not weekly. So the chart time step is 1 day. OK, it's not instantaneous price down to the minute, so there could be rapid dips within each day, but does this really matter if the price rebounds within a day?

Here's a view of BLX with 200 WMA in blue, ignore lack of today's update as price is v close to the 200 WMA. In summary, it shows the wicks below are more common than not.



Without measuring out each individual wick below the MA, you can roughly see price wicking below by a considerable amount. The worst being 2020 with the MA @ $5.5K and price dropping to $3.8K.

You're right though the wicks are more or less irrelevant when they are usually only on a Daily time-frame. Technically they are also irrelevant even if on a Weekly time-frame (as the MA is Weekly).

It looks like the price has started diverging from 200 WMA, in the right direction (Cheesy), so the 200 WMA boundary may end up holding strong once more. We'll see...

There's definitely a reaction happening close to the 200 WMA, but still wouldn't be surprised to see a fake-out below it based on current selling pressure.  Ultimately, until price is back in the $28K-$30K zone, it'll be difficult to confirm that it has acted as support (even if it's very likely to do so).  By then we are obviously back at pre-capitulation levels, as well as a strong selling zone.

Many will still be waiting to get above $32K to play it safe, even $35K I think, as it's never too late to a buy into a trend reversal.
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unfortunately 2nd mortgage on a cardboard box under a bridge doesnt fetch much nowadays.




Something about this ₵ sign looks off...  Huh

the product quality vs price, perhaps?  Wink
EDIT my bad, I thought it is $400

LOL
(spoiler: it was really looking like a reversed cent sign to me at first view, so only ₵400 in my case...)

EDIT: Aaah, it's $4.00  Roll Eyes
With that bad of a writing style, i wonder if she ever got into business with somebody...

Yeah, I read it as $400 too... The dot is too small, as if she put it there afterwards. Maybe she was aiming high, but then realised she ain't blowing shit at that price.
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unfortunately 2nd mortgage on a cardboard box under a bridge doesnt fetch much nowadays.




Something about this ₵ sign looks off...  Huh

the product quality vs price, perhaps?  Wink
EDIT my bad, I thought it is $400

LOL
(spoiler: it was really looking like a reversed cent sign to me at first view, so only ₵400 in my case...)

EDIT: Aaah, it's $4.00  Roll Eyes
With that bad of a writing style, i wonder if she ever got into business with somebody...
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unfortunately 2nd mortgage on a cardboard box under a bridge doesnt fetch much nowadays.




Something about this ₵ sign looks off...  Huh

the product quality vs price, perhaps?  Wink
EDIT my bad, I thought it is $400
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unfortunately 2nd mortgage on a cardboard box under a bridge doesnt fetch much nowadays.





Wow 4 dollar bjs

back in the day late 1970s there was a 2 dollar bj hoe at Aqueduct Racetrack. NYC

Pay her a deuce and go in a very deserted stairwell.

She would suck you off quickly and run and bet the deuce on the Daily Double.

So if this photo was in 2022 not much inflation.

2 to 4 and over 40 years time.

Have to say the girl in this photo looks less shopworn than the 2 dollar hoe did at Aqueduct.

No comments on how do I know this or did I use her often.😀
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Looks like we got some capitulation today.  Volumes are spiking up to near the Do Kwon disaster now and it appears the worst is behind us (for now).  The dead cat bounce to $24K doesn't appear to be holding, so I expect we'll do some testing of these new recent lows.  With Binance resuming withdrawals though, it seems like today's low may finally be in after a night of crypto being ravaged.  Stocks are taking a hit as well, so it begs the question of if the Fed will continue raising rates and winding down their balance sheet.  Unless they're pivoting to a new strategy, I expect we'll hear some news about backing off their plans this week.  After living through the 2008-2012 period, I expect billions of dollars in stimulus to be announced anytime the market shows disapproval of the Government's actions.  In this case though, we may need Fed action as the government appears to be backed into a corner.

Historically, what happened to the Bitcoin price after stimulus?

If anything, short term; the price going to be dragged down by the uncoming inflation from the government taking on more debt. Long term; that inflation will work to Bitcoin's advantage, I would say, as more people start investing in Bitcoin to escape the fiat inflation.

Sound about right?
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unfortunately 2nd mortgage on a cardboard box under a bridge doesnt fetch much nowadays.




Something about this ₵ sign looks off...  Huh
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We are all "psychopaths" apparently remember ?

this "psycho" is still here.....and have some unused funds.
was thinking of using them at the 'bottom' of the stock market plunge, but might put into btc instead...in due course.
Not buying the falling knives, though, although it is tempting.
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Times like these I just don't look at the monetary value of my various wallets. I avoid looking.  Undecided

What do you mean?  The monetary value, measured in money (i.e., BTC), remains constant at a rate of 1 BTC = 1 BTC.

There are a lot of contradictions and irony in your above statement, and I am trying to sort in my mind where to start in order to attempt to potentially help anyone who actually believes such dumb thoughts like that. 

Don't get me wrong, I am not picking on you in particular, and part of the reason that I tend to respond to quite a few of your posts is that you tend to articulate yourself well and you make a lot of good points, but also you say really dumb shit while trying to act like you are correct in your way of framing matters and that your view is a compelling one that should be shared/adopted (as if it were common sense) blah blah blah.  So in that regard, you are not the only one saying dumb, abstract and detached from reality shit like that.

I know that I am repeating myself, but the reality of the matter is that we are in a very fucking early transitionary period in which the level of BTC adoption is so damned low (less than 1% of the world population and also less than 1% of the world's monetary value in BTC), so in that regard there is going to both be a lot of volatility and also there is going to be a lot of ongoing upside potential... and neither of those actual on-the-ground reality dynamics justify either putting all your brain power into using BTC as your accounting mechanism or even speculating that you need to hold all of your value (or even high portions of your value) in BTC in order to profit the fuck out of attaining and maintaining a reasonable/prudent stake in bitcoin... which these days I consider 1% to 25% of your overall investment portfolio (as you measure it) to be a good, fair and reasonable starting point (that is purposefully so fucking broad in terms of my recommendation that you (or any other newbie normie) will actually need to personally tailorize it) 

The only reason to get upset about the central bank shitcoin trade value is if you were playing around with margin.

I cannot really disagree with your overall point in regards to any suggestion that the employment of margin trading or any other financial instrument are way more advanced techniques than the vast majority of normies should be employing in terms of either their desires to accumulate BTC or to maintain their BTC holdings.. and sure there might be ways to employ such tools once any of us might reach a kind of status of very high BTC accumulation values and/or feeling that we are way overly allocated in BTC.. but still if we are using logic and/or reasonable assessments of our BTC holdings, we are most likely going to come to conclusions that we likely would not need to employ very high levels of employment of such tools in the event we want to use such tools to either continue to accumulate, maintain the value of our BTC holdings or even to try to inject some possibilities of exponentiality onto an asset class that is already seemingly quite exponential in the way that it is already designed (the "designed to pump forever" idea that is built into bitcoin). 

By the way, my above paragraph is meant to be largely as an agreement with you, even though I realize that you personally are not emplying the prudence and reasonableness that you seem to recognize as being better practices (perhaps best practices).

I disagree with your ongoing baloney insertion of likely to be misunderstood characterization of the dollar (and fiats) as shitcoins.. sure they are shittier than bitcoin overall, but they continue to serve quite a few purposes, including liquidity ideas and we still likely need to figure out ways in which we balance our investment portfolio holdings (including BTC) with them and even use those fiats to buy goods and services and of course to spend them first.. or towards the beginning of any spending that we might be doing...

Surely another point remains that there are quite a few shitcoins (referring to altcoins, crypto, scamscoins, scam projects like ICOS, Defi, and NFTs, blah blah blah that may well outperform the dollar in decently long timeframes, and I don't want to get into talking about those dynamics in this thread beyond just pointing them out, again)... because we just devolve into nonsense talk if we try to talk about which shitcoin happens to be less shitty and how to figure out how to allocate our investment portfolio holdings in shitcoins which even though on a personal level I have very small allocations in those kinds of shit projects, it may well be reasonable for guys and gal (from their own personal financial, psychological and skills' set perspective) to have some holdings and involvement in those kinds of coins and projects, but why the fuck we need to talk about every lil investment that guys/gal decide to involve themselves in, here?).. we have plenty else to talk about just in relation to king daddy - aka our precious lil.. that is currently taking a pretty decent beating in the past several months that has been exacerbated since about early May and seems to be continuing as I 48  hours or longer - even as type this post. .. not feeling too good with the recent low of $22,600 from about 3 hours ago, as I type this post...   Cry Cry Cry..
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Is #Bitcoin  dipping again?
I feel nothing…

https://twitter.com/btc_archive/status/1536297448255152128?s=21


No Bitcoiners do.


We are all "psychopaths" apparently remember ?
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Somebody after Saylor's coins?
$21k and he's said to be liquidated...

But Somebody after Saylor's coins?
$19k and he's said to be liquidated

Genius noob anal-yst.

Just another trolling attempt, i guess...
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Hello guys, posible reasons why the price fell? Do you think it is because of the existing inflation in the USA? According to Biden, it is the largest inflation rate in the last 40 years, because it spoke that it recorded an inflation rate of more than 8%, to be more specific 8.6%, and in Europe the same with 8.1%, panic has taken over of many investors ...

Who have thought about buying? buy in this dip? It is not a bad idea, they are fresh btc due to panic, I wonder these investors where they will put their money? Because in money Fiat no longer, I think that a good option is gold ...
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unfortunately 2nd mortgage on a cardboard box under a bridge doesnt fetch much nowadays.

I have used the example of home purchase mortgages (not even second mortgages) to explain margin to a newbie.  It is a good didactic analogy to something familiar:  Many prospective BTC buyers have real-world experience buying houses with purchase money mortgages!

In the abstract, the essential concept is identical:  You buy a non-fungible token called a “house”.  You typically provide a downpayment that results in 5x leverage:  You are buying 5x more than you could have bought for cash, with the purchased asset being used as collateral.  (I did a much better job of explaining this before...)  The lender’s terms and conditions allow it to foreclose on the collateral in various conditions—inevitably including:  If the fair-market value of the collateral falls too low for the lender to recover on defaulted debt.  (Check your home mortgage terms, if you have one.)

But there is a major difference in lending terms.  Imagine that a volatile market for “house” could cause a liquidator bot to foreclose instantaneously and dump you on the street, if a price oracle for “house” dips even one microdollar below a certain price for even one microsecond.  That is a cryptocurrency margin account.  It is even worse than a traditional margin account, where you get an urgent call from your broker saying, “Send more money, or cover—right nowor else.”

As a practical matter, although they are oftentimes ruthless and underhanded, banks who write home mortgage loans usually try to avoid foreclosure.  Home foreclosure is slow, costly, sometimes lossy—a salvaging operation, usually undesirable from a bottom-line perspective.  Cryptocurrency exchanges have a perverse incentive to try to increase liquidations.  I am unsurprised that I have received email spam from exchanges, offering incentives to start margin trading.

The market for your house is also probably at least a little bit less volatile than BTC.

So as for a purchase money mortgage.  A second mortgage is a way of increasing leverage on your “house” (i.e., cardboard box if you are a n00b margin trader).  A non-purchase-money mortgage on a house that you hold free and clear is like borrowing against BTC collateral to buy other things.  That is how I myself took my first steps down the garden path here:  The brilliant idea, “Don’t sell your BTC.  Borrow against it!”  (Originally starting with a small proportion of my BTC—something that I could afford to lose.)



That’s not mortgaging:  It is renting out, and it does not incur debt.  Accordingly, it is much safer than margin BTC—and if my recent posts are any evidence, it is also much more dignified.
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Looks like we got some capitulation today.  Volumes are spiking up to near the Do Kwon disaster now and it appears the worst is behind us (for now).  The dead cat bounce to $24K doesn't appear to be holding, so I expect we'll do some testing of these new recent lows.  With Binance resuming withdrawals though, it seems like today's low may finally be in after a night of crypto being ravaged.  Stocks are taking a hit as well, so it begs the question of if the Fed will continue raising rates and winding down their balance sheet.  Unless they're pivoting to a new strategy, I expect we'll hear some news about backing off their plans this week.  After living through the 2008-2012 period, I expect billions of dollars in stimulus to be announced anytime the market shows disapproval of the Government's actions.  In this case though, we may need Fed action as the government appears to be backed into a corner.
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