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I know we are the choir here.

But UST based on Terra Luna was underpinned using DPoS.

I have neither done the analysis, nor have I seen any complete on this wreckage yet, but I am curious how much of what has happened can be laid at the feet of PoS.  I suspect at least a portion of it.

This may be the future for ETH if they take this route.  Imagine the black hole that would create when it collapses.

This is truly horrifying.  The "toxic maxis" ought to be memeing this as the result of PoS no matter what, actually...
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A Guys From my Country Committed suicide. I cannot confirm the legitimacy of this. But the handwriting style looks like sarcasm. I wouldn't be surprised if it's real too.

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HUGE volume of BTC transactions, most with fees in the 12 - 15 sats/vB range (though if I needed something sent today I would pay 20+).  All of this started at 12:50 PM ET today.  ~117 blocks JUST to clear what's already stacked up on the blockchain.  Very unusual, I haven't seen anything like this recently.

See:

mempool.space

bitbo.io
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A Guys From my Country Committed suicide. I cannot confirm the legitimacy of this. But the handwriting style looks like sarcasm. I wouldn't be surprised if it's real too.

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Terra USD is going down to zero. Currently 0.35$ for 1UST. What a joke. So much for bitcoin pegged usd. Grin Grin Grin

LUNA Will be zero before UST

That seems to be the reasonable expectation given what I'm hearing.  The rumor that I read was that they would be giving a 50% discount in LUNA for those willing to put up money to buy back UST, but with LUNA already dumping well beyond that, you have to wonder if UST can be saved.  The goal of the LUNA dumping being to restore UST to $1.  It being at $0.30 right now seems like it may be an opportunity.  The BTC that was sold was only sold at a 33% loss.  I'm not sure exactly what sort of funding was used to purchase it, but I'd imagine that $0.30 is a result of panic and that the fair value should still be higher.  LUNA on the other hand will likely be dumped and dumped as long as there are people willing to buy.

I guess I should've picked up some UST before bed last night.  At $0.30 it was a hell of a double opportunity in a few hours.  As LUNA continues to be dumped to anyone who will take it in order to try and save UST, it appears they've also dumped a great deal of alts as the market is slaughtered today.  Probably a good opportunity to grab shitcoins as a result.  I wouldn't touch LUNA, but I still think UST is likely to be closer to it's peg before this is all over.  So glad I didn't listen to people and buy LUNA when everyone was saying how smart Do Kwon was...  It's never smart to telegraph your major buys and then go through with it as the price skyrockets as a result.  Play dumb games, win dumb prizes...
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And SERIOUSLY.  For the LUNA bagholders...  Help is just a call away.  Whatever you are thinking is probably not worth it.

Seriously... O.M.G.

Not only Luna & UST was attacked. According to CoinmarketCap's Stable coin list, At least Three Freaking Stable Coin was attacked. Neutrino USD, USDX and UST. Just Because Luna and its UST are more popular, that's why people are only talking about it. I wouldn't be surprised if UST loses its 100% Value in the coming days because it has happened before. Have you ever heard of USDP Stablecoin? It was a Shitcoin-backed So called Stablecoin which one already lost its 100% Value. Of course, Terra-Luna is a bit different. Let's see how it impacts the overall market.


Lucky for me, I have exactly zero interest in them, and hold the same amount - zero.  I have bought some USDT on Liquid just to see what it feels like and ended up making a profit getting back into BTC entirely by accident.

I have always been dubious about Blockstream's (read Adam Back's) USDT romance, and have also been very doubtful about the real use and safety of a "decentralized stablecoin".  The whole thing is just ripe for abuse.

I hate that I am going to have to get old as hell watching the world come to the slowest possible conclusion that blockchain was all about Bitcoin in the end.  I think Blockstream has the right idea that building sidechains is where some fun VC type adventures are going to happen... but stablecoins?  Not without a trusted third party.  And well...
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Good lord! You guys pontificate about the benefits of bitcoin DCA "strategy" like for days and days and days here on the WO.

Umpteen gazillion pages written about something so simple and benign.

Way to make something WAAAAYY more complicated than it needs to be.

Either:

a) Just buy on the major dips, or

b) put a set amount of DCA buys on autopilot at the end of every week, two weeks, or month, or

c) all of the above.

Also d) stay the fk away from shitcoins.

Sheesh, what is so fucking hard about this? Huh

Nothing.  That's it.  That's the whole thing.
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And SERIOUSLY.  For the LUNA bagholders...  Help is just a call away.  Whatever you are thinking is probably not worth it.

Seriously... O.M.G.

Not only Luna & UST was attacked. According to CoinmarketCap's Stable coin list, At least Three Freaking Stable Coin was attacked. Neutrino USD, USDX and UST. Just Because Luna and its UST are more popular, that's why people are only talking about it. I wouldn't be surprised if UST loses its 100% Value in the coming days because it has happened before. Have you ever heard of USDP Stablecoin? It was a Shitcoin-backed So called Stablecoin which one already lost its 100% Value. Of course, Terra-Luna is a bit different. Let's see how it impacts the overall market.
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At any point in time, there is a 50/50 chance of the pricing going up or down. You need to be positioned accordingly.

The chance is not 50/50.  For example, Murphy's Law, which is infinitely more reliable than PlanB, stipulates that the moment after I drop a large proportion of my BTC without being forced by imminent liquidation, BTC will suddenly rocket off to six digits.  (But what does Murphy say about the chances if I don't?)


Can you sell half of your position? It might help you sleep better if there is no chance of a total wipeout.

Thanks for the suggestion.  Sleeping better is not my primary goal:  Salvaging as much BTC as I can is my primary goal (now tempered by "no more dumping other assets into this account!"), even at the expense of sleep, health, sanity, and everything else that I have been sacrificing for months because of this.  Anyway, I just crunched some numbers for a back-of-the-envelope estimate of something that changes as the BTC price fluctuates.

At $30,600 (the approximate ticker price when I saw your post, and started spitballing various scenarios), I would need to sell about 61% of my BTC to get my liquidation price down to the current 200 WMA.  That is still not "no chance of a total wipeout", because (a) in the past, it has often wicked below 200 WMA when it bottoms, and (b) 200 WMA is not guaranteed, anyway.

I would need to sell at least 65%-70% to get myself to a level that could be considered pretty much more or less "safe" - excluding flash-crashes, such as the March 2020 Covid crash, when it did the proportionate equivalent of very briefly dropping to about $12k now.

No matter what level is considered "safe", it must account for the wicks - such as the very brief drop below $30k that almost got me liquidated yesterday.

To me it appears that Heater has given you the most fundamental and soundest of advices.. and you choose to completely ignore it instead of attempting to deal with reality.

Let me see if I can explain a bit further.

If our current price is $30.3k, and if we are in a bull market, then the odds of breaking up are greater than the odds of breaking down.. but then there is still a matter of degree.

To me it seems that after we have gone below the 100-week moving average (which is at $35k) and we have now been there for more than 4 days.. we have transitioned into a bear market... so the odds are greater to break down than up... but still how far we break down is not exactly known in advance, either.

Even if you have your doubts about whether we are in a bear market and you believe that we are in a bull market.. you still are not going to get much higher than 50/50 odds in terms of breaking up instead of down.  I will throw out some numbers, and for sure you do not  have to agree with them because you can assign your own numbers, but still in the end, you should be attempting to allocate your portfolio in such a way that mirrors your view of the probabilities rather than completely ignoring scenarios that you do not like - because otherwise you would be gambling rather than investing (or playing a roulette wheel)..

So consider the below assigned percentages as possible Downity scenario peaks from where we are at currently and where the bottom would happen.. and at this time, I am going to ascribe our down odds at about 53% right now.. even though I am just stabbing in the dark really...  But in the end, all my assignments of probability numbers (even though somewhat out of my ass) on the way down add up to 53%

Anyhow, here's a possible assignment of where the bottom might occur from here $30.3k-ish as I type.

above $29k - most timid of bearish scenarios  -   about 9% odds

$27.5k to $29k  - plausible bearish  -   about 12.5% odds

$25k to $27.5k  - could happen bearish  -   about 13.5% odds

$22.5k to $25k  - pretty severe bearish  -   about 7.5% odds

$20k to $22.5k  - worser case bearish  -   about 5.5% odds

$17.5k to $20k  - a bit of a stretch bearish  -   about 2.5% odds

$13k to $17.5k  - overly bearish -   about 1.5% odds

$10k to $13k  - way overly bearish -   about 0.5% odds

below $10k  - not very likely but possible -   less than 0.5% odds

By the way I hate to go too far over 50% in terms of my assignment of bearishness even though it feels that we have ongoing downity momentum for now, and I have not really figured out exactly what kind of UPpity would cause us to get out of our current transition into a bear market.. for sure getting above the 100-week moving average would likely be helpful.. and maybe doing so by more than 10% might be something that might be plausible or just staying above such 100-week moving average for a week or longer might be enough?  I have not figured it out in my own head, yet.. regarding what level of UP I would need to suggest that the bear market is done or that we are back in a bull market... for sure, there is a bit of a lagging indicator aspect to those kinds of bear/bull market assessments, too.  

As I said in some earlier post, at $47k last month, I could have walked away clean with more BTC than I started with; but now, no matter what I do, I will lose most of my long-held holdings if yesterday was not the bottom, or at worst close to the bottom.

You still should be attempting to deal with the reality of where you believe the price might go and to set yourself up so that you are prepared for those possibilities.  If you are ONLY betting that the price will go up, you likely have a 50/50 chance of losing that.. and so if you are prepared for various levels of down scenarios in advance, then you have a plan to account for those down scenarios, even if you may well assign the probability numbers differently.  For sure, not everyone is going to assign probabilities the same, but if you treat everything below $29k as if they were zero chances, you seem to have pretty decent chances of getting recked.. and my above chart shows below $29k as having 41% chances of happening (if you add all the numbers up)... and yeah, I might not be correct, but just trying to assign some kind of framework to attempt to help to snap you (and others perhaps) back into reality that the numbers for down are not zero.. merely because we have already seen prices as low as $29k which would be 58% down from our $69k top.

You seem to be on margin in btc.

No.  I would never do something so stupid as to take a leveraged long on a highly volatile asset.

Instead, I shorted the dollar at high leverage.  The dollar's fundamentals are wretchedly bad.  In the long term, it is practically guaranteed to depreciate severely.  Shorting the dollar is smart - at least in theory.

The problem is that "the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent", and the dollar is now in a bull-run bubble.

I don't typically short anything. FAANG looked like a short, but still I hesitated.
Well..i can now buy 30-50% MORE FAANG for my cash if i want to, but i won't.

When you took margin longs 20 years ago as you previously described, you were shorting the dollar as priced in semi-fungible tokens called "stocks".

People need to flip their thinking about BTC.  "Selling" BTC means buying dollars - going long on the dollar, and doing it for cash if you are not using margin.  "Buying" BTC means selling dollars - taking a short position against the dollar, even if you are not using margin to short.  Shorting BTC means taking a leveraged long on the dollar.  And taking a leveraged long position on BTC is short-selling the dollar on margin:  Borrowing an asset that is expected to depreciate, and selling it for money.

Related in concept, but not directed at you:

People are way too stuck in thinking about dollars as "money", and everything else as "assets priced in money (= dollars)".

It was quite the spectacle when I tried to explain some concepts to a newbie by putting them in familiar terms, based on his own experience.

I told him that when he took a home purchase mortgage loan, he was shorting the dollar as priced in a non-fungible token called a "house".  If the dollar rises too much, as priced in units of his house, then the lender reserves the right to call the loan due immediately, among other remedies; this is logically similar to a margin call.  And indeed, all home purchase mortgages contain such terms in the fine print - although they are rarely invoked because the dollar/house market has low volatility, and dollars rarely appreciate as priced in houses.  Anyway, the expense and other overhead of foreclosures usually helps to deter lenders from being overly aggressive in foreclosing unless necessary.  By contrast, as I pointed out earlier, exchanges have a perverse incentive to stack the deck to create more cryptocurrency "foreclosures" (liquidations).

He didn't get it.

If he had understood that, then perhaps he would have been able to "get" Bitcoin.  (And he would have understood why he should avoid both cryptocurrency margin accounts, and home purchase mortgages!)


Yes, I explained earlier how I got myself into such a predicament when I know all this - "I know better than that..."

Fuck that nonsense.

You seem to be lecturing Biodom, but you seem to be the one who is in a pickle and having some issues about how you are managing your risk...

Nothing wrong with accumulating bitcoin, but you also need to manage your risk too..
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Good lord! You guys pontificate about the benefits of bitcoin DCA "strategy" like for days and days and days here on the WO.

Umpteen gazillion pages written about something so simple and benign.

Way to make something WAAAAYY more complicated than it needs to be.

Either:

a) Just buy on the major dips, or

b) put a set amount of DCA buys on autopilot at the end of every week, two weeks, or month, or

c) all of the above.

Also d) stay the fk away from shitcoins.

Sheesh, what is so fucking hard about this? Huh
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Not that I would ever buy COIN, but over 20 Wall Street analysts still have a price target of $271.23 on the stock. It's currently @ $55.37.

That means that either they know something is coming that we don't know, or they are all complete fucking idiots.

Investors are fleeing



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Sup everyone, just wanted to tell you that my Daily DCA is now active till 2023.
I will be buying daily for the next 237 days. Lowest BTC will go according to my analysis which I posted on 27th Jan is $24k which is 200 Weekly Moving Average.

If we take time into consideration for the price to meet the Weekly 200 MA, it will be near about $24k.
This changes the price drop from current price from 46% to 30%.



Have a good week ahead, happy buying.

Maybe you are hitting on another developing pet peeve of mine?

Daily cost averaging seems to be a misleading attempt at a euphemism... and the term is not daily cost averaging, it is dollar cost averaging (this correction about the "proper" term does not have to do with the dollar.. but instead getting away from expectation that there is any kind of meaningful justification to be maniacally in regards to buying every day.. which is more of an advanced practice rather than an entry-level practice).

Proof that you do not read before you jump to conclusions. Daily DCA
Daily DOLLAR COST AVERAGING

Not meant for everyone to read it properly, I guess?

Also, there is no particular strategy on when and how you accumulate, you just do it.

It seems that the best strategies are to attempt to tailor to your own psychological and financial situation in terms of both figuring out a sufficiently aggressive approach while NOT overdoing it....

In terms of BTC accumulation, I always consider dollar cost averaging to be the most important because it allows for getting in almost right away (after setting up accounts - wallets, or whatever to be used to get exposure) and then to be able to learn as you go.. to then be able to tweak your strategies.. and surely the other two main methods that can supplement DCA is lump sum investing and buying on dips...

Surely it can take a long time for anyone to figure out the better ways to attempt to tailorize those methods to his/her situation..and surely sometimes when someone is really dumb (not meant as an insult) or confused about what to do, DCA can serve as a kind of means to do something with a relatively small amount while maybe studying one's own situation and to adjust the approach in the future.
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And SERIOUSLY.  For the LUNA bagholders...  Help is just a call away.  Whatever you are thinking is probably not worth it.

Seriously... O.M.G.



(Hard not to buy a bag here, really... but this homie don't play that)
legendary
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Ooof. Luna fanbois getting rekt. They started putting up suicide hotlines on their social media.

Should have bought BTC Cheesy

LOL, pinned threads.

https://old.reddit.com/r/terraluna/

Not to sound apathetic, but I file this into "People not old enough to remember the carnage of those gullible scammed by penny stock scams in the 1980's and 90's"

And yes, many of those people lost their life savings and ended up committing suicide.

History repeats.

Also, "Biiiiittttconnnnnect !!!"
legendary
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https://twitter.com/WatcherGuru/status/1524125736726110213



Not that I would ever buy COIN, but over 20 Wall Street analysts still have a price target of $271.23 on the stock. It's currently @ $55.37.

That means that either they know something is coming that we don't know, or they are all complete fucking idiots.

It CAN be both.

So, Bitcoin has bounced off the yearly low today...  It would be great if this was the bottom, but most signs do not point to that.  Still Bitcoin does what it likes to, and I think it is acting great considering the environment.

Could be in for a little altpocalypse action here, which usually painful is some of the best medicine.
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That means that either they know something is coming that we don't know, or they are all complete fucking idiots.

Probably the latter.
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