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legendary
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the morning wall report


#dyor

dragonfly dips towads water for a drink
1h


dance in a dragons jaw
4h

#stronghands
legendary
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Willy Woo
@woonomic
The growth in capital flowing into BTC is now equivalent to Apr 2017 of last cycle. The early bull phase is over, the main phase has started; it's come early.


hmmm...peak in July 2021? Interesting...that would be a first one.
I still think that we might be going for two peaks in 2021: first one in March-April, followed by a "valley" during summer, next, a larger peak in Nov-Dec (traditional time frame).

Something like 50-70K to 30-35K, then to 150-200K.
legendary
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Sun and (IBM) AIX

Sun, AIX... we're talking archaeology!  Grin
legendary
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What care or advice can you offer when switching the drives over? Just switch them over to the new NAS in the same order and boot it up then hope for the best? I'm hoping it will launch some sort of volume recovery process or something. Either that or it boots up like nothing happened but that's too much wishful thinking haha

I am sorry to say mine needed configuring when I got a new box, two drives had issues and were u/s.  I had 4 (two main and one backup of each one) and the two backups were not able to be seen.  The main drives were ok, fortunately.  Got a tech guy in in the end to check it and had to buy two new backup drives to get it going again.

Spark up the drives and just see if they mount ok - as long as you can see all the data- the worst case is re-back up.  If they don't, it's a pain!  You need to get into the Synology software (which sucks) to do and it takes forever to re-backup.

I now have a back up I make monthly of each 'primary' drive.  I just don't trust the NAS enough.   I had WD reds 4Tb in each slot.  It's only for main 'work' data storage, my desktop (Mac) backs up via Time Machine to a portable cheap drive.  If only NAS worked as reliably Wink
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*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*
when the grid goes down what do you do with your shitcorns? :-D reeeee
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精神分析的爸


If the damn things weren't so fucking LOUD. At least IBM xSeries delivered some realtively quiet rack servers, but all the HP, Sun and (IBM) AIX server hardware i've put my hands on so far were screaming loud.

If you think an HP server is loud, try any modern ASIC miner.  Grin

We heat one of our storage rooms with an L3+ and since then all our servers seem to run completely silent to me. Some people say my hearing is impaired, but I don't hear that very often.

legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
I got one DS409+ and i only plug it in and switch it on when i need it (fifty times a year or so), to free up space on my work ssd(s), get old movies etc.
I bought it without disks, and because i knew how unreliable these are, i added four WD green 2TB hdds to the cart.
Two are used for mirroring, one as spare drive if one of the mirrors goes bad, one for backup of the NAS in case it breaks.
Most important, i reconfigured the hdd bios to disable power saving, which is parking the disk heads too often (after 5 secs was the default, iircc), and this puts so much stress on the drive that it would die in any NAS before even reaching end of warranty. Well, my data doesn't care about warranty.
To date, and the unit is about 17 years old now, i had no failures at all.
 
It would not be too hard to mirror drives and let them be read separately by mounting them into a PC, technically, but most every manufacturer is working with filesystems that are only readable when all drives and the data are intact. There were some controllers back then, i don't remember the name at all.
This would save a lot of trouble.

Pro Tip: Keep all (!) the hardware redundant.


Yeah, server hardware is the way to go... HP is my choice too... many say HP is crap nowadays but they obviously haven't dealt with DELL, IBM, Supermicro and other brands. HP surely offers some weird solutions, some things don't work out of the box, sometimes buggy software, some driver/compatibility and update issues now and then but in general still way better than competitors.  Cool 

If the damn things weren't so fucking LOUD. At least IBM xSeries delivered some realtively quiet rack servers, but all the HP, Sun and (IBM) AIX server hardware i've put my hands on so far were screaming loud.
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icarus-cards.eu
when the next green candles come and when there is more talk/show about BTC on tv/radio and when you are asked about Bitcoin by your friends/relatives, you can send them this link so they can easily understand all the material behind BTC Wink

https://www.freecodecamp.org/news/explain-bitcoin-like-im-five-73b4257ac833/

and as for the number of pages here in this wo-thread, we are again slowly moving away from the BTC/USD price... Grin
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Privacy Servers. Since 2009.
Re: NAS

I've got (and sent to the bin) quite a few of these (Iomega, thecus, etc.) over the years. I need to store data and backups on multiple physical locations reliably and I was quite excited when these home storage servers hit the market ~20yrs ago.

Since I have all data synched in multiple locations, the loss of one of those NAS servers was never catastrophic, but a MPITA and great annoyance nonetheless. Some are hooked up to synch via 10Mbit/s line, 5TB take a while* to synch over such a link. Except two of them all have died meanwhile the very same way they did on heslo (it doesn't even need to be a black- or brown-out, a simple shutdown can kill these buggers too, and yes it's always the mainboard never something easy to replace like the power supply..).

These NAS most often have very low-end CPU and I/O and I found you get way more bang for the buck with used professional servers. I am somewhat familiar with HP servers, but I guess it doesn't make a difference and I would not want to recommend them specifically, but that's just the brand I am used to - YMMV.

Currently I could buy a used/refurbished DL380 G8 48G RAM and 14x1TB for 887 EUR from my supplier. This looks to me like a good price compared to all these crap NAS. On top of a professional raid controller, it has more RAM than most NAS, redundant power supply and I never had such a server fail on me yet the way these NAS tend to very often. And if a part fails, you can actually get cheap replacement parts everywhere and fast, unlike these NAS that are pretty quickly discontinued and replaced and if you are lucky enough to get replacement parts they are overly expensive.

Now I understand that not everybody has a 19" rack in the basement (though these can be had very cheap too :-)) or even a separate room to place a loud beast like this in. Still, all these NAS products that I have had my hands on over the years totally and royally sucked and gave me a very bad price/performance ratio. Avoid them if you can, maybe build something yourself, load FreeNAS or whatever, everything is better than these shitty towers of future misery due to data loss.

Enough rant about NAS, BTC doesn't mind where you store it as long as you have a copy of the seed on paper  Grin

* euphemism for many weeks


Yeah, server hardware is the way to go... HP is my choice too... many say HP is crap nowadays but they obviously haven't dealt with DELL, IBM, Supermicro and other brands. HP surely offers some weird solutions, some things don't work out of the box, sometimes buggy software, some driver/compatibility and update issues now and then but in general still way better than competitors.  Cool  
legendary
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Seriously, if you are counting on a single cheap NAS it's better to give your data to Bowsette....


She'll take care of it.
I wouldn't mind her taking care of some of my data.

Oh yeah. Whenever I hear "give us your bitcoins and we will take care of it!" I think of an image like this.

Bitcoins? Who said anything about bitcoins? I was thinking about different types of corn. But I'm sure you see.
legendary
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
Damn I would which I could work a bit better with computers

Youtube Academy  Wink
Always worth a visit  Cool
legendary
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Privacy Servers. Since 2009.
On the one hand, I find this terrible; running RAID-less storage units.

On the other hand, you are duplicating NAS A onto NAS B at regular intervals.

My brain is beginning to cook just a little bit.

Technically he is doing disk duplexing: Two disks, two controllers, two channels.

I always found custom raid controllers to be the worst possible idea: Not only are you reliant on the N+1 disks, you're relying on the controller not blowing a hole in itself and sinking everything. Bonus if you can't get a new controller/same version. Super bonus fuckage if the controller stores all the disk information in its eeprom instead of on-disk.

Seriously, if you are counting on a single cheap NAS it's better to give your data to Bowsette....



She'll take care of it.

Dafuq happened to her ears...  Grin 

Edit: scrolling lower... nice boobs though  Cool
legendary
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Check this verified account dude on Twitter (notice the dates between tweets Wink)









The big question: what is the price target given all this new info?

$200,000+
legendary
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Seriously, if you are counting on a single cheap NAS it's better to give your data to Bowsette....


She'll take care of it.

I wouldn't mind her taking care of some of my data.

No need to worry. In a couple of years they'll be so cheap, you can buy 10 of them, and they'll eagerly take care of all your sensitive data.
legendary
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yes
Willy Woo
@woonomic
The growth in capital flowing into BTC is now equivalent to Apr 2017 of last cycle. The early bull phase is over, the main phase has started; it's come early.

Realised cap estimates the capital invested into #Bitcoin . Its slope = the rate of capital influx (as % of its cap).
https://twitter.com/woonomic/status/1343869638371774465?s=21
nice picture

@woonomic
TOTAL INVESTED:
$170b - the total capital Bitcoin is storing at the price it was invested

INFLOWS:
$15b - During the re-accumulation phase of Mar - Oct
$50b - Since the October rally
$10b - In the last 7 days after @michael_saylor tweeted his $650m purchase was complete.

@woonomic
While the outside world is bewildered by the Bitcoin price rise, thinking it's probably a speculative bubble. Few understand with a blockchain we can measure the capital flows with precision and give answers instead of narratives.

@woonomic
This industry is putting metrics on capital flows previously unseen. 👏

Realised Cap was put forward by the @coinmetrics team, Entity-adjusted Realised Cap is an improvement by @glassnode filtering only for capital movement between different investor participants.

The big question: what is the price target given all this new info?
legendary
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I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)
Seriously, if you are counting on a single cheap NAS it's better to give your data to Bowsette....


She'll take care of it.
I wouldn't mind her taking care of some of my data.

Oh yeah. Whenever I hear "give us your bitcoins and we will take care of it!" I think of an image like this.
legendary
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On the one hand, I find this terrible; running RAID-less storage units.

On the other hand, you are duplicating NAS A onto NAS B at regular intervals.

My brain is beginning to cook just a little bit.

Technically he is doing disk duplexing: Two disks, two controllers, two channels.

I always found custom raid controllers to be the worst possible idea: Not only are you reliant on the N+1 disks, you're relying on the controller not blowing a hole in itself and sinking everything. Bonus if you can't get a new controller/same version. Super bonus fuckage if the controller stores all the disk information in its eeprom instead of on-disk.
Custom raid controllers are bad. In my limited and unhappy experience, soft raid controllers (as found in some BIOSes) are also unreliable.

N+1 is bad, too! Apart from the ugly performance, when one disk fails, the others are not that far behind, which exposes you to data loss. Also, resilvering (rebuilding the mirror when a new disk replaces the dead one) takes forever and stresses the rest of the array.

The KISS principle says the "best" way to have effective redundancy in a "single" device is a simple 1+1 mirror. What I like about zfs is that it provides mirroring as a high level software service, so the hardware/controller thing becomes a non-issue. The disks and controllers are turned into a fungible commodity, which is where I aim to be.

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Seriously, if you are counting on a single cheap NAS it's better to give your data to Bowsette....


She'll take care of it.
I wouldn't mind her taking care of some of my data.
legendary
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I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)
On the one hand, I find this terrible; running RAID-less storage units.

On the other hand, you are duplicating NAS A onto NAS B at regular intervals.

My brain is beginning to cook just a little bit.

Technically he is doing disk duplexing: Two disks, two controllers, two channels.

I always found custom raid controllers to be the worst possible idea: Not only are you reliant on the N+1 disks, you're relying on the controller not blowing a hole in itself and sinking everything. Bonus if you can't get a new controller/same version. Super bonus fuckage if the controller stores all the disk information in its eeprom instead of on-disk.

Seriously, if you are counting on a single cheap NAS it's better to give your data to Bowsette....



She'll take care of it.
legendary
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Well that was fun... Shut down my Synology NAS today to do some electrical work around the house. Powered it back on and was greeted with a flashing blue power light and not much else. Turns out the NAS itself has shat the bed and not the hard drives; common issue with the DS415+ apparently (not that that helps me much)

So now I've got to buy another NAS tomorrow and HOPE that my 24GB of data isn't all fucking gone when I plug the disks into the new NAS. If it is gone it isn't the end of the world (mostly TV shows and movies on it) but I've spent years collecting it all.

I know it's off topic but just had to rant. Told my wife and she wasn't too interested Cheesy Cheesy

On topic however... these last two days have been good consolidation I think. Things were getting a bit too heated, nice to catch our breaths a bit before the next leg up.

Hope everyone has a better day than I
Mirroring?
If you're going to build from scratch, I advise you to consider XigmaNAS, open source based on FreeBSD. That zfs file system is the shit.

EDIT - The mainboard died on me once, it was an AsRock, a little brittle IME. I had to get a new one, hard to find. If it dies again, I'll rebuild with some other cheapish brand (Gigabyte likely). Advice: don't skimp on RAM. zfs likes it, and it's put to good use.

Only once I had to recover a disk, it was from another system that died (disk was good in itself). Format was UFS. Plugged it in... recognized in no time. Copied the data over to another, mirrored zfs pool, reformatted the old UFS disk - which is still working as one half of a different mirror now.
legendary
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精神分析的爸
Re: NAS

I've got (and sent to the bin) quite a few of these (Iomega, thecus, etc.) over the years. I need to store data and backups on multiple physical locations reliably and I was quite excited when these home storage servers hit the market ~20yrs ago.

Since I have all data synched in multiple locations, the loss of one of those NAS servers was never catastrophic, but a MPITA and great annoyance nonetheless. Some are hooked up to synch via 10Mbit/s line, 5TB take a while* to synch over such a link. Except two of them all have died meanwhile the very same way they did on heslo (it doesn't even need to be a black- or brown-out, a simple shutdown can kill these buggers too, and yes it's always the mainboard never something easy to replace like the power supply..).

These NAS most often have very low-end CPU and I/O and I found you get way more bang for the buck with used professional servers. I am somewhat familiar with HP servers, but I guess it doesn't make a difference and I would not want to recommend them specifically, but that's just the brand I am used to - YMMV.

Currently I could buy a used/refurbished DL380 G8 48G RAM and 14x1TB for 887 EUR from my supplier. This looks to me like a good price compared to all these crap NAS. On top of a professional raid controller, it has more RAM than most NAS, redundant power supply and I never had such a server fail on me yet the way these NAS tend to very often. And if a part fails, you can actually get cheap replacement parts everywhere and fast, unlike these NAS that are pretty quickly discontinued and replaced and if you are lucky enough to get replacement parts they are overly expensive.

Now I understand that not everybody has a 19" rack in the basement (though these can be had very cheap too :-)) or even a separate room to place a loud beast like this in. Still, all these NAS products that I have had my hands on over the years totally and royally sucked and gave me a very bad price/performance ratio. Avoid them if you can, maybe build something yourself, load FreeNAS or whatever, everything is better than these shitty towers of future misery due to data loss.

Enough rant about NAS, BTC doesn't mind where you store it as long as you have a copy of the seed on paper  Grin

* euphemism for many weeks

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