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legendary
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25K to 100K is not really "price action", it's a huge amount of money that needs to pour in. 250K, well, it's even much more bigger !

But I will not bet against it either.

It's not just about money. If supply is very reduced because few people are willing to sell and also because of the deflationary nature of bitcoin, less money is needed to make the price go up.

The flip side being that if nobody sells, the price can't go up anymore either !

I think it would be a great sign if nobody wanted to sell a single bitcoin at a certain price. It will never happen though.

There is plenty of supply available, the price just needs to get to the point where it shakes some loose. For instance, I'm guessing more than half of the bitcoin ever created would be available for sale right now at $1million each.

There is no shortage. It just seems like it because the price is so low. Who would sell now when they know what the next year has in store?

The question is: why "old school" money managers from Citi to Fidelity now gave btc price targets (next year!!) of 300-400K or even more? From my previous encounters with finance, analysts loath making predictions of more than 2X current price, with 30-50% up or down being the most typical. Here they went 15-20X. I am not sure why?

One possible explanation is they are trying to make the curve to go hyper-exponential, then pull the "rug" from under and collapse it.
Or, maybe, really strong WS money already accumulated enough in $5K-20K range and now want a rapid rise to cash out.
There must be some play here, but what is it?

Of course, it is possible that me are witnessing financial "regime change", but much more data is needed to support this.
Serious people have said that the only thing that can stop btc is very high interest rates.
In one playbook they will go for high inflation, causing btc to climb super high, then as inflation is established, smash btc down by sudden increase in the interest rates: going from super negative real rates that we see at the moment to positive rates, which would mean, say, 10-15% interest rates a la Volcker shock.

legendary
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I fix broken miners. And make holes in teeth :-)
The flip side being that if nobody sells, the price can't go up anymore either !

But that's too imaginary. Do you really think that in a $479,028,551,331 market cap market literally nobody is going to sell?
   


At that price, 1 BTC would pretty much equal one Lambo so I guess I would have to sell one. *sigh*
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
25K to 100K is not really "price action", it's a huge amount of money that needs to pour in. 250K, well, it's even much more bigger !

But I will not bet against it either.

It's not just about money. If supply is very reduced because few people are willing to sell and also because of the deflationary nature of bitcoin, less money is needed to make the price go up.

The flip side being that if nobody sells, the price can't go up anymore either !

I think it would be a great sign if nobody wanted to sell a single bitcoin at a certain price. It will never happen though.

There is plenty of supply available, the price just needs to get to the point where it shakes some loose. For instance, I'm guessing more than half of the bitcoin ever created would be available for sale right now at $1million each.

There is no shortage. It just seems like it because the price is so low. Who would sell now when they know what the next year has in store?

Guys like me sell small pieces .

Lets say I clear  .2 btc monthly with the mining.

So selling off 0.02 or 0.03 each big rise makes sense.

Mine and hodl most sell small pieces at :

20k
22k
25k
27k
30k

It is why I prefer slower gains so that selling off a piece happens 1 time a month.

hero member
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25K to 100K is not really "price action", it's a huge amount of money that needs to pour in. 250K, well, it's even much more bigger !

But I will not bet against it either.

It's not just about money. If supply is very reduced because few people are willing to sell and also because of the deflationary nature of bitcoin, less money is needed to make the price go up.

The flip side being that if nobody sells, the price can't go up anymore either !

I think it would be a great sign if nobody wanted to sell a single bitcoin at a certain price. It will never happen though.

There is plenty of supply available, the price just needs to get to the point where it shakes some loose. For instance, I'm guessing more than half of the bitcoin ever created would be available for sale right now at $1million each.

There is no shortage. It just seems like it because the price is so low. Who would sell now when they know what the next year has in store?
legendary
Activity: 4004
Merit: 4656
This price action makes me think that a $250k + top is much more plausible that a $100k top  Roll Eyes

The current currency system is dying.

It’s no longer a cringe part of a hidden sub culture in society who knows this.

It’s no longer the Peter Schiffs of this world proclaiming the end of fiat systems.

It’s a (close to critical) mass that is contemplating this now. All in the open and for everyone to see.

And it’s simple math determining that this will accelerate. 20% of all dollars in the world created this year alone. Next time, will it be 40%? And the next thereafter?

Will the new stimulus bill go to $4 trillion (6.6% of all money (in broad terms) in the whole world)?  Shocked
Will the next stimulus bill be $8 trillion?
The talks about the $1 trillion coin seem a long time ago (those were rookie numbers  Roll Eyes ).

It’s happening because it’s inevitable.

Greatest. Wealth. Transfer. Ever.

I fear the highlighted.
I cannot force myself to go 100% in btc (with some others sprinkled about), just because being 100% in does not give any wiggle room.
I detest spending btc, so need $$ to do that, but you cannot rely on btc up down moves to provide enough $$ as it might catch you when it is trending down, but you need cash ASAP.
In addition, is there room in bitcoin for everyone-maybe, but only at truly astronomical prices.
I see an investment "credibility gap" somewhere between 100K and 1mil.
Institutions might still go for it, though, but your average Joe would not buy something that costs 100K, however, at 1mil and above it probably would be stable enough for that Joe to simply use some lower size unit (bits, sats or whatever) for small item transactions.
full member
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legendary
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BTC or BUST
This price action makes me think that a $250k + top is much more plausible that a $100k top  Roll Eyes

The current currency system is dying.

It’s no longer a cringe part of a hidden sub culture in society who knows this.

It’s no longer the Peter Schiffs of this world proclaiming the end of fiat systems.

It’s a (close to critical) mass that is contemplating this now. All in the open and for everyone to see.

And it’s simple math determining that this will accelerate. 20% of all dollars in the world created this year alone. Next time, will it be 40%? And the next thereafter?

Will the new stimulus bill go to $4 trillion (6.6% of all money (in broad terms) in the whole world)?  Shocked
Will the next stimulus bill be $8 trillion?
The talks about the $1 trillion coin seem a long time ago (those were rookie numbers  Roll Eyes ).

It’s happening because it’s inevitable.

Greatest. Wealth. Transfer. Ever.

Makes me wonder how much bitcoin is going to increase in value vs how much fiats are going to loose in value..

1 BTC will eventually be worth more than all of every fiat currency that has ever existed combined.. Eventually..
legendary
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BTC or BUST
sr. member
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Yup. I have been too busy pleasuring myself to sell any bitcoin lately.


Glad I'm not the only one.
#nohomo
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 2017
The flip side being that if nobody sells, the price can't go up anymore either !

But that's too imaginary. Do you really think that in a $479,028,551,331 market cap market literally nobody is going to sell?
   

full member
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HODL
legendary
Activity: 2660
Merit: 1002
fly or die
25K to 100K is not really "price action", it's a huge amount of money that needs to pour in. 250K, well, it's even much more bigger !

But I will not bet against it either.

It's not just about money. If supply is very reduced because few people are willing to sell and also because of the deflationary nature of bitcoin, less money is needed to make the price go up.

The flip side being that if nobody sells, the price can't go up anymore either !
hero member
Activity: 1848
Merit: 640
*Brute force will solve any Bitcoin problem*
$50,000 BTC soon! :-D weeeeee

legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 2017
25K to 100K is not really "price action", it's a huge amount of money that needs to pour in. 250K, well, it's even much more bigger !

But I will not bet against it either.

It's not just about money. If supply is very reduced because few people are willing to sell and also because of the deflationary nature of bitcoin, less money is needed to make the price go up.
legendary
Activity: 2660
Merit: 1002
fly or die
This price action makes me think that a $250k + top is much more plausible that a $100k top  Roll Eyes

The current currency system is dying.

It’s no longer a cringe part of a hidden sub culture in society who knows this.

It’s no longer the Peter Schiffs of this world proclaiming the end of fiat systems.

It’s a (close to critical) mass that is contemplating this now. All in the open and for everyone to see.

And it’s simple math determining that this will accelerate. 20% of all dollars in the world created this year alone. Next time, will it be 40%? And the next thereafter?

Will the new stimulus bill go to $4 trillion (6.6% of all money (in broad terms) in the whole world)?  Shocked
Will the next stimulus bill be $8 trillion?
The talks about the $1 trillion coin seem a long time ago (those were rookie numbers  Roll Eyes ).

It’s happening because it’s inevitable.

Greatest. Wealth. Transfer. Ever.

25K to 100K is not really "price action", it's a huge amount of money that needs to pour in. 250K, well, it's even much more bigger !

But I will not bet against it either.
legendary
Activity: 1372
Merit: 2017
Don't want to sound like a party pooper or nuthin', but maybe if we could, like, hang around at these levels for a coupla days, and build some support, that would kinda make me feel a bit better.

Getting too much of a runaway train vibe, and that's bad.

I think the same but just for the short-term. The faster we go up, the bigger the dip later on but if we are talking about holding bitcoin forever, just selling at some specific points, we shouldn't worry much about the speed. Bitcoin will keep going up in the long-term.
legendary
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Neighborhood Shenanigans Dispenser
Don't want to sound like a party pooper or nuthin', but maybe if we could, like, hang around at these levels for a coupla days, and build some support, that would kinda make me feel a bit better.

Getting too much of a runaway train vibe, and that's bad.
legendary
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icarus-cards.eu

those were the days - everyone could afford at least 1 BTC Grin Grin


26k touchdown Cool


Good morning Bitcoinland. Happy Boxing Day.

The rally continues... currently $25790USD/$33200CAD (Bitcoinaverage).

Go Bitcoin go.
...

legendary
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A sobering note. Some self-appointed gurus note that the volume is low, even for the weekend, so this might look like a local top. I say: it would make sense for the badger to take a breather even if we know he don't care. On the other hand, in the weekend - and especially on Boxing Day - institutional investors are supposed to be sitting on their hands.

Well I guess we'll see soon enough. Local top or not, the mid term scenario doesn't change all that much  Wink
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