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legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
There should be plenty of canuck mosquitos next to that lake in the summer...    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Mosquitos are a worldwide nuisance.

At least Canuck mosquitos don't carry malaria or dengue.
legendary
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Freedom on water
sic transit gloria mundi
Satoshi is scrapped





#haiku
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Man who stares at charts (and stars, too...)
This guy happily and smilingly said it months ago -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELP2EFVOOYc

People still believe this is a natural virus lol... And of course blame the protesters... Fucking idiots! You love to be locked like an animal for years right? Its all just a huge hoax to sell Bills vaccine and make his vision come true. Genocide by vaccination... He said it in 2010 "500.000.000 humans on this planet are enough".

I still believe Covid-19 is a Chinese lab made virus, released to weaken/wreck the U.S economy so they can push their agenda to take over to be number 1.

maybe the truth is in between? they tweaked SARS-CoV to get a more contagious SARS-CoV-2?

maybe it was an accident to release it?

so WHO has still no access to Wuhan. WTF is China for an country?

Nah. Why should they "tweak" a virus? (which is technically hard to achieve, with absolutely not calculable results, delivering an astronomically bad risk-reward ratio).
Sars-Cov2 was found in blood samples from march 2019 in italy, the wuhan outbreak was octobre 2019 (iirc). Does not compute.
Afaik some US scientists team was allowed for research in wuhan (heard it on the radio while driving, may have been a WHO team as well).

We welcome beliefs that seem to fit our mindset, be careful which information you trust, it probably tells more about yourself than anything else. You can use this for introspection, on the other hand.

legendary
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I want to apology for my harsh words. We don't live in a CCP regime.

This covid crisis effects my mental health also it's hard sometimes staying rational.


legendary
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The demand for cabins was nil. Even with the lowest prices we could possibly offer and break even, nobody wanted to live on it.

While I'm sympathetic with the whole seasteading idea and I respect you for standing up and actually trying to do something rather than enjoying your likely riches, this is the critical bit, as several posts have already pointed out.

The prices you quoted ("starting from" - which seems to threaten much higher numbers) weren't that high in themselves, but that would only get you an inner cabin - no sea view. Basically, a closet to sleep in and not much more.

But the real issues come when one actually considers the reality of living there. Maintenance expenses that look like a real menace. Who's going to pay for the fuel, the food, the cleaning? Rhetorical question: me of course. I'm not sure the "only BTC accepted" policy was expressely stated by you, but it's as likely as not, and it doesn't look good to an oldschool hodler. Would it have been just crappy fiat - well, maybe, who knows. But my cornz? OMG nooo!

Imagine having to splurge btc for every drink. Maybe for plain water, too... with the monopoly market that inevitably ensues on such a closed, isolated community. Mostly consisting in millionaires, go figure. Scary as hell for the small fish.

I won't even mention the risk of having dinner table neighbors that engage in endless, unsolicited tirades. Oops, I just did! (j/k)

And with the hard rules about living onboard - rules usually made and enforced by the captain, not the stakeholders, there's the sizable risk of imaginary freedom turning into perpetual obedience. The thing we were trying to run away from in the first place.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Getting close to thinking of taking a little profit in the form of 100 acres of prime forested property with 1500 feet of lake frontage, ten minutes from a major hospital and about an hour and a half from downtown Toronto. Under 23 bitcoins at current prices.



Thank you Bitcoin.

Do it!
Peace and serenity now is more important than pie in the sky, especially when we are not there (in the future).

Now is actually months away. This is just the land. I'd still have to build a house, although in the spring I could still drop a trailer on the land for weekend use.

The big problem is converting my coins into dollars and paying capital gains taxes. I don't have (nor want) a bank account. Luckily I have one paper wallet (my largest) which can be traced to my identity, containing about 30 coins. Hopefully that will cover it.

Great...a race between the Canadian RE appreciation and btc.
My money is on btc, but we already know that  Cheesy
That said, I am envious as canadian weather, especially in the summer, is closer to my liking than 100F in Houston.
Most likely I would go for WA or OR, though, as I can stay in Canada only for 6mo straight (although it is probably enough).
pine or spruce>palm (in my book)

There should be plenty of canuck mosquitos next to that lake in the summer...    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

JJG:  thank you for the invitation to have another go at calling the top.  However having gotten it wrong once (and very happy to be wrong), I do try to avoid making the same error twice in a row.

Hahahahaha

You, hairybairy, are "too smartie" for your own good. #nohomo


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
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Bitcoin Legal Tender Countries: 2 of 206
for me this SARS-CoV-2 fits too perfectly to our modern border less world. why not SARS-CoV or MERS-CoV?

assuming they released it accidentally in November 2019 from this laboratory in Wuhan?

it would explain why they wanted to kept silent until end of January 2020.

The earliest known person with symptoms was later discovered to have fallen ill on 1 December 2019, and that person did not have visible connections with the later wet market cluster.[23][24] However, an earlier case of infection could have occurred on November 17.[25] Of the early cluster of cases reported that month, two thirds were found to have a link with the market.[26][27][28] There are several theories about when and where the very first case (the so-called patient zero) originated.[29] It is possible that the virus first emerged in October 2019.[30]
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
I guess this feels similar to when we busted our 1k ATH...    Feels nothing like when we hit 20k last time.    ........
#HODL' good times!

....

I agree with you -- For the most part I was referring to the current sentiment.   I feel like this 20k is closer to when we broke 1k ATH and we have much more room to grow.   Let's say we remove the need to sell for living expenses and the original goal was to one day exchange corn to fiat.   I feel that as BTC continues to grow, people's urge to swap to fiat will drop.    

Years ago or just asking a nocoiner what they think they need to retire, the typical answer is in fiat terms.   I see this changing over time as BTC grows.   Still far from that at the moment but that is the direction I see things moving.   I assume it won't be in BTC terms either...   maybe a basket of digital assets that return a predictable rate.  

tdlr;   hodl.

Smiley

You had me nodding all the way WastedLTC, until you mentioned the basket of digital assets bullshit.  We should be trying to stay focused on bitcoin here rather than entertaining shitcoin talking points... ..

O.k. Maybe I am overreacting a bit, but fuck the shitcoins and the " basket of digital assets" bullshit.. that's a distraction to what bitcoin is actually offering.... sound money... helrow??

you are simplifying it too much. You are selling btc for cash, he might be selling for USDC or USDT, then getting 10-11% in interest. USDC is certainly a digital asset. Not sure why would someone call USDC a shitcoin, although it might be proven to be just that in eventuality. How much yield do you get on USD? A minuscule amount, no doubt.

I can say the same to you, Biodom (but opposite).  Didn't I just say that there are ways to develop a plan that does not overcomplicate matters and you have more assurances (fewer places) where your plan could go wrong (or blow up on you).     And, I am NOT even suggesting not to fuck around with some of the complicated matters in order to potentially supplement your basic plan, but a large part of my point is that there are decent ways to get the basic plan in order and have a lot of assurances in the basic plan without having to rely upon more complicated arrangements.

For example, if you have a plan that is already decently solid, then sure, maybe you can take 5% or maybe up to 10% (depending) and put such value in a more complicated investment vehicle.. but if you do not need to engage in those kinds of more risky practices and you don't really need the extra money, then what's the point in fucking around like that?  (I feel like we might be repeating our lil selfies in some of this back and forth that we have been having on this topic.. and there surely remains a decent amount of personal discretion in regards to these various kinds of allocations or use of more adventurous financial tools).
legendary
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Gentlemen.
After very good profit from this rise now BobLawblaw is going to have one giveaway for WO members Cheesy Grin Wink

Beers (and blowjobs), perhaps?   Wink


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I hope mindrust is doing alright.

I hope so too. I remember panic-selling back in 2013 or 2014 I think, during a pretty savage dip, but fortunately I quickly saw the error of my ways and bought back in soon afterwards, but not before losing about 20% of my coins.

I was new to this back then, but I also think it's something that, if you go through it, it's a harsh but necessary teaching experience. I suspect the most resilient of hodlers may have gone through a similar process, and that is why several of us advised mindrust to buy back in as soon as possible. Unfortunately I don't think he followed this advice, so he became a no-coiner. It's sad, but if a few WOers can learn from his experience, more and stronger hodlers will be born.

I believe that he said that he bought back 1 BTC.. .so instead of having 10 BTC, he reduced his BTC bags down to 1 BTC thinking that it was a good way to cause him less emotions - with likely an effect of causing the opposite (in hindsight... as so many of us advised against).

Observing new ATH with relatively low volume.

Also, observing not many large sell walls before $25k

Also... running out of champagne.
#2020BitcoinProblems

*Edit Also, observing JJG in full keyboard warrior mode.

Very astute of you.   Wink   Tongue

So if mindrust sold 10BTC at $4k and rebought 1BTC at the same price means now he's up to $23k fiat-wise. So if he'd rebuy at least 2BTC instead of 1 he'd be up fiat-wise already now!  Grin 
legendary
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While we talk, she's nearing 23.9k.
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The demand for cabins was nil. Even with the lowest prices we could possibly offer and break even, nobody wanted to live on it.

This is what I was talking about. All other issues (insurance, registration etc) could be probably solved...  Cool
legendary
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Bitcoin Legal Tender Countries: 2 of 206
This guy happily and smilingly said it months ago -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELP2EFVOOYc

People still believe this is a natural virus lol... And of course blame the protesters... Fucking idiots! You love to be locked like an animal for years right? Its all just a huge hoax to sell Bills vaccine and make his vision come true. Genocide by vaccination... He said it in 2010 "500.000.000 humans on this planet are enough".

I still believe Covid-19 is a Chinese lab made virus, released to weaken/wreck the U.S economy so they can push their agenda to take over to be number 1.

maybe the truth is in between? they tweaked SARS-CoV to get a more contagious SARS-CoV-2?

maybe it was an accident to release it?

so WHO has still no access to Wuhan. WTF is China for an country?
legendary
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Biodom #555306

Au contraire, mon amis

Taking profits in BTC price spikes has worked great for me in 2017 and now 2020 (I did buy BTC from 2018 - 2020).  In part, granted, that I did not sell BTC on a continuous basis as it went over 1%, typically for various reasons (sloth perhaps No. 1), it has taken a bit of time for me to actually cash in when I did.

*   *   *

Actually, I might disagree with you re concentration based on increasing wealth.  IMO (and I do need to study this more), having a whole lot of money gives you the freedom to concentrate more.  Michael Saylor might be a good example, he has so much money that HODLing a LOT of BTC can make a lot of sense if he is secure with that (re risks, etc.).  I would imagine that he is perfectly OK with having that much BTC, and more power to him.  And I would guess he owns his own home, probably with low or no mortgage.   Smiley

I would agree with you that if you have little extra money that 1% in BTC makes little difference.  In the Bitcoin Ecosystem I am neither Shrimp nor Giant (apologies to FOFOA for using his terminology and ideas here).  BTC has made a real difference to me in my life.
legendary
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The demand for cabins was nil. Even with the lowest prices we could possibly offer and break even, nobody wanted to live on it.

Honestly Elwar, and not trying to rub salt into the wound, but when you first announced this cruise ship endeavor my very first thought that popped into my mind was "Nobody but maybe a handful will purchase those cabins. He's gonna lose money big time on that." ROI analysis is *everything* with something that enormous and costly.

Sorry to hear it didn't go they way you wanted, but maybe it was for the best?
legendary
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This guy happily and smilingly said it months ago -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELP2EFVOOYc

People still believe this is a natural virus lol... And of course blame the protesters... Fucking idiots! You love to be locked like an animal for years right? Its all just a huge hoax to sell Bills vaccine and make his vision come true. Genocide by vaccination... He said it in 2010 "500.000.000 humans on this planet are enough".

I still believe Covid-19 is a Chinese lab made virus, released to weaken/wreck the U.S economy so they can push their agenda to take over to be number 1.

Mass gatherings are not allowed because those protesters are accountable for the ungoing spread.

I don't believe Bill's intension killing 6.5 billion peope for profit.
 
Hard Brexit and Mutation together. Happy New Year 2021!  Roll Eyes

legendary
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Free spirit
legendary
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You're never too old to think young.
This guy happily and smilingly said it months ago -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELP2EFVOOYc

People still believe this is a natural virus lol... And of course blame the protesters... Fucking idiots! You love to be locked like an animal for years right? Its all just a huge hoax to sell Bills vaccine and make his vision come true. Genocide by vaccination... He said it in 2010 "500.000.000 humans on this planet are enough".

Yep. Believe some garbage you see on Morontube.

Yep. Everybody knows everything is Bill's fault. And chemtrails. And commies. And people who think the world is round. Idiots.


 Roll Eyes
legendary
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Gentlemen.
After very good profit from this rise now BobLawblaw is going to have one giveaway for WO members Cheesy Grin Wink

Beers (and blowjobs), perhaps?   Wink


 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I hope mindrust is doing alright.

I hope so too. I remember panic-selling back in 2013 or 2014 I think, during a pretty savage dip, but fortunately I quickly saw the error of my ways and bought back in soon afterwards, but not before losing about 20% of my coins.

I was new to this back then, but I also think it's something that, if you go through it, it's a harsh but necessary teaching experience. I suspect the most resilient of hodlers may have gone through a similar process, and that is why several of us advised mindrust to buy back in as soon as possible. Unfortunately I don't think he followed this advice, so he became a no-coiner. It's sad, but if a few WOers can learn from his experience, more and stronger hodlers will be born.

I believe that he said that he bought back 1 BTC.. .so instead of having 10 BTC, he reduced his BTC bags down to 1 BTC thinking that it was a good way to cause him less emotions - with likely an effect of causing the opposite (in hindsight... as so many of us advised against).

Observing new ATH with relatively low volume.

Also, observing not many large sell walls before $25k

Also... running out of champagne.
#2020BitcoinProblems

*Edit Also, observing JJG in full keyboard warrior mode.

Very astute of you.   Wink   Tongue
legendary
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FinCEN Proposes KYC For Withdrawing Cryptocurrency To Private Wallets 12/18/2020

I 'believe' this only applies to USA BTC/Crypto Exchanges like Coinbase?

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/fincen-proposes-kyc-for-withdrawing-cryptocurrency-to-private-wallets

This shoe just dropped. To me it does not look like that big a deal....and was expected...but I know zip, others on here?

Smarter than myself? I also started a thread for more details. (Hey, it's over my head, need smarter analysis!)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fincen-proposes-kyc-for-withdrawing-cryptocurrency-to-private-wallets121820-5301400

Brad


it does not apply to private hodlers sending bitcoin to each other. only when it touches a companies wallet. which means that every US btc owner will transfer his/her coins to self custody in the next 14 days. less coins available on exchanges = bullish for bitcoin.

I have some difficulities figuring out what to make of these proposed practices that seem to have decent chances of going into effect.  Yeah, of course, they create greater obligations and pretty much deter HODLers from moving their coins to a private wallet, and we still need to know how the fuck the exchanges are going to verify this beyond a mere statement from the HODLer that the wallet that they are transferring to is their own wallet.  Yeah.. burdens.. and perhaps will create some incentives for the creation of more underground kind of transactions..

I am not really going to change too much of what I am doing currently, and will see how it goes.  My personal bitcoin exposure on exchanges is way smaller than it was in 2015/2016, which might have been around xx% or more of my holdings were on exchanges.  Then in about mid 2017 I downgraded to somewhere between about xx%  .. and currently, I  just looked at it, and it appears to be around xx%-ish...  (edited my disclosed percentages for reasons.. hahahaha... you fucks!!!).   I am just going to ride it out, and see what it does.  I have already been KYC'd on those on exchange coins anyhow, and I was not even considering transferring those coins out, even within a variety of scenarios, including having to report them.. those are merely coins that could be liquidated on a BTC run, if I were to so choose.. and yeah, sometimes moving coins around and changing your system based on fucktwats.. whether governments or otherwise, can cause issues too, but I understand the motivation and rationale that comes from what seems to be proposed currently.. and there are likely BTC HODLers who are way too overexposed in terms of NOT even having coins under their own control, and these kinds of proposed practices should cause some reflection upon risks that they are taking in that direction.. and whether that risk is sufficiently balanced.


This is another example of unanticipated risks of Bitcoin, especially of the Big Rhino variety.  My worry (for years) has been that while the Bitcoin Ecosystem is essentially unbreakable itself (managed properly by HODLers), it is the Entrance and Exit Ramps that are vulnerable to strict controls.  It is clear enough to me that Bitcoin will come under further scrutiny and regulation as .gov loses more and more control (and their financial need/greed rises exponentially...).  Any doubts that .gov will likely grow ever more authoritarian?  Look at England locking down London right now...

Since no one can predict the future (and major technology changes), prudence suggests not holding too much of net assets in BTC.  I understand (and accept to a degree) the arguments of "betting on the fastest horse" (etc.), but there are ample precedents showing danger of being too concentrated.  Just now I read above about Elwar's Satoshi project not working out due to, yes, a Big Rhino problem.

The NICE BUMP up in BTC price has been useful for me.  I very recently sold a smidge, continuing my strategy of taking some profits.  BTC rose to well over 1% of my net, yet my sales were not enough to drag that down to the ~1%.

One should not be afraid of diversification and taking some profits along the way in an asset that really does look to be world-changing.  Taking some profits along the way, however, does not lessen my enthusiasm for this wonderful new asset class that Satoshi (et al) have invented for us all.

1%? I am sorry, but this only makes sense if your total capital is $10mil or more, otherwise it would not make a dent (if you constantly keeping it at 1%).
Here are some interesting US stats, suggesting that you cannot afford to be the middle class anymore. Some examples are probably coastal as you can be pretty comfortable at $160K/year around here. Also, teacher salary at 115K? It is unheard of here (TX).

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/22166381/hollow-middle-class-american-dream
legendary
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FinCEN Proposes KYC For Withdrawing Cryptocurrency To Private Wallets 12/18/2020

I 'believe' this only applies to USA BTC/Crypto Exchanges like Coinbase?

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/fincen-proposes-kyc-for-withdrawing-cryptocurrency-to-private-wallets

This shoe just dropped. To me it does not look like that big a deal....and was expected...but I know zip, others on here?

Smarter than myself? I also started a thread for more details. (Hey, it's over my head, need smarter analysis!)

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fincen-proposes-kyc-for-withdrawing-cryptocurrency-to-private-wallets121820-5301400

Brad


it does not apply to private hodlers sending bitcoin to each other. only when it touches a companies wallet. which means that every US btc owner will transfer his/her coins to self custody in the next 14 days. less coins available on exchanges = bullish for bitcoin.

I have some difficulities figuring out what to make of these proposed practices that seem to have decent chances of going into effect.  Yeah, of course, they create greater obligations and pretty much deter HODLers from moving their coins to a private wallet, and we still need to know how the fuck the exchanges are going to verify this beyond a mere statement from the HODLer that the wallet that they are transferring to is their own wallet.  Yeah.. burdens.. and perhaps will create some incentives for the creation of more underground kind of transactions..

I am not really going to change too much of what I am doing currently, and will see how it goes.  My personal bitcoin exposure on exchanges is way smaller than it was in 2015/2016, which might have been around xx% or more of my holdings were on exchanges.  Then in about mid 2017 I downgraded to somewhere between about xx%  .. and currently, I  just looked at it, and it appears to be around xx%-ish...  (edited my disclosed percentages for reasons.. hahahaha... you fucks!!!).   I am just going to ride it out, and see what it does.  I have already been KYC'd on those on exchange coins anyhow, and I was not even considering transferring those coins out, even within a variety of scenarios, including having to report them.. those are merely coins that could be liquidated on a BTC run, if I were to so choose.. and yeah, sometimes moving coins around and changing your system based on fucktwats.. whether governments or otherwise, can cause issues too, but I understand the motivation and rationale that comes from what seems to be proposed currently.. and there are likely BTC HODLers who are way too overexposed in terms of NOT even having coins under their own control, and these kinds of proposed practices should cause some reflection upon risks that they are taking in that direction.. and whether that risk is sufficiently balanced.


This is another example of unanticipated risks of Bitcoin, especially of the Big Rhino variety.  My worry (for years) has been that while the Bitcoin Ecosystem is essentially unbreakable itself (managed properly by HODLers), it is the Entrance and Exit Ramps that are vulnerable to strict controls.  It is clear enough to me that Bitcoin will come under further scrutiny and regulation as .gov loses more and more control (and their financial need/greed rises exponentially...).  

Any doubts that .gov will likely grow ever more authoritarian?  Look at England locking down London right now...

Since no one can predict the future (and major technology changes), prudence suggests not holding too much of net assets in BTC.  I understand (and accept to a degree) the arguments of "betting on the fastest horse" (etc.), but there are ample precedents showing danger of being too concentrated.  Just now I read above about Elwar's Satoshi project not working out due to, in essence, a Big Rhino problem.

The NICE BUMP up in BTC price has been useful for me.  I very recently sold a smidge, continuing my strategy of taking some profits.  BTC rose to well over 1% of my net, yet my sales were not enough to drag that down to the ~1%.

One should not be afraid of diversification and taking some profits along the way in an asset that really does look to be world-changing.  Taking some profits along the way, however, does not lessen my enthusiasm for this wonderful new asset class that Satoshi (et al) have invented for us all.
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