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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 6737. (Read 26716254 times)

legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
Start of the bull market?   Motherfucker we have been in a bull market since the Halvening. 

Since about April 1, 2019, I would proclaim - even though we did not likely realize such bull market entrance until about the first week of May 2019. 

YMMV - causing you to be wrong. Tongue Tongue 

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

How you going to pay in BTC if the person refuses to accept BTC..?  Hold a gun to their head?  You cannot assume away the point that I was making by saying, "if you pay in BTC" when you have not even gotten to that point yet, can you?

Of course. However some places do take BTC, yet I've never seen one whose prices are BTC nominated, and don't move with the BTC/USD price. So in reality the prices are still un USD (other fiat).

Of course, some places take BTC... that is not the point that I was making... so you keep arguing the premises... which is non-responsive and ultimately, another point.  Sure, your point may be a fair point, but it is still a different point.

Regarding the further additional point of actually pricing goods/services in BTC.. no one had even been coming close to that point, in earlier posts... and sure, I would agree that pricing in BTC without any kind of peg is a more rare occurrence and likely even further into the future in terms of becoming some kind of common practice.. even though such a non-pegging is likely to come.
hero member
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R.I.P football legend Diego Armando Maradona. Cry

Well...his lifestyle most likely leads to death very quickly..  Tongue
RIP
legendary
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Thread seems pretty dead for beating on a new ATH no?

I call troll.

In approximately the past four days, I missed about a zillion pages of WO just because it is moving too fast, and I do not currently have time even to skim it.

Is that itself a market indicator?  ;-)

Yes, it means we are near the all time high I believe, and die hard Bitcoiners are getting a little excited. Even if now it looks like we are correcting a little...
copper member
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
The shitty thing is, I just realized that now my profile looks as if I'm a pré-Merit member who's never succeeded in getting more than 8 Merits during his entire membership on these boards.

Feels a bit like downgrading as a "big" 12-year-old kid in elementary school back down to suddenly being a junior in high school. Cool

^^^ THIS!!!

Discussion transplanted:  The Gresham’s Law of account rank and grandfathered merits.

I have been complaining about the “grandfathered” merits since February–March 2018.  Now, I look like some idiotic “Legendary” who has earned only 1045 merits.  Roll Eyes  Did theymos learn nothing from monetary policy, Gresham’s Law, etc.?

[...]

Youthful accounts with high merit are glamorous.  Highly-ranked accounts don’t look like wise elders, thanks to the inflationary effect of grandfathered merits:  They look like people who have just been shitposting for a very long time.



friends1980, congratulations on the new rank.  Though wouldn’t it be much sweeter if you could dispense with the 100 grandfathered merits, and celebrate self-made Hero bragging rights after you have earned 500 merits?  At the rate that you are now going, it will not take long!

Anyway, a toast with something other than Chianti:

(buy your stock of champagne for the next 3 years people Wink - prices are ridiculously low atm, since meetings and parties are forbidden, therefore there's a huge overstock)

🥂 🍾
legendary
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R.I.P football legend Diego Armando Maradona. Cry
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
It’s when the $ exceeds the number of pages on the WO.  Obviously.  

$27,600, the Real All Time High  Grin

The ath is @ $19666+1

Then we will enjoy daily aths for some time.. until we reach the cycle top.. and i pray the lord its not only at current page parity Grin

There are probably several of us looking forward to getting to page parity again, and furthermore looking forward to a kind of staying above page parity.... so stop typing so many posts, you fucks!!!!! (yours truly excluded).

Some of us, also, may recall that we did get above page parity in December 2017, and I believe that it was NOT even a whole day.. it may have been only a few hours.. and the page count at the time was in the lower $19k's as I recall.  It may even be reflected in thread history... even though the WO page numbering is likely screwed up... thanks a lot bbbbbbaaaaaaaawwwwwbbbb...  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

overinvested in bitcoin

It’s funny.  I never hear people say, “overinvested in (dollars|euros|whatever)”.  ;-)

Can one be overinvested in money?  Is that like allocating too much cash in your portfolio?


Firing at random, for I am now something like 20 pages behind WO.  ATH yet?

Yes, from a financial perspective, you can be overinvested in $, € or whatever kind of asset. It's all just about balancing/hedging a portfolio. YMMV.

With Bitcoin, due to its extraordinarie appreciation over time, it is somewhat easy to become "overinvested"... even if that was intended or not.

I am probably "overinvested" in Bitcoin currently... but YOLO. Again, YMMV.

I claim to have been overinvested in bitcoin since about November or December 2014.. yet it did not stop me from continuing to put money into BTC and to stay in a kind of "overinvested" state of being.  I agree with the YMMV aspect, because each of us has to weigh where we are at, and how much "overinvesting" in any particular asset may be acceptable... so even though I frequently denigrate the concept of gambling, I admit to being a bit of a hypocrite gambler myself- yet I still would proclaim that there are degrees to many things.. so sometimes can be difficult to figure out with any kind of precision where the right balance of "overdoing it" might lie for any particular person at any particular snap-shot time in his (or even her) life.
 
legendary
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Flippin' burgers since 1163.
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legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
overinvested in bitcoin

It’s funny.  I never hear people say, “overinvested in (dollars|euros|whatever)”.  ;-)

Can one be overinvested in money?  Is that like allocating too much cash in your portfolio?


Firing at random, for I am now something like 20 pages behind WO.  ATH yet?

If all your bills are denominated in bitcoin, then no problem to keep all your money in bitcoin -otherwise, if you have bills in dollars, you might be forced to reallocate some of those 100% bitcoins into dollars in order to make good on those bills.. and you may end up making such conversion at a time that is not of your choosing.

Point taken—as consistent with hard experience, personally.  My remark was tongue-in-cheek, wink-wink ;-), just because I am unavoidably amused at the notion of being “overinvested” in money.

You can amuse ur lil selfie all the way to the poorman's house, if you are rich in some kind of money that nobody (relatively speaking) wants.

If I walk up to any random business and ask them if they will take bitcoins to settle or to render a good or service, there are pretty low odds that such random business is going to agree to transact with me in bitcoin.. because likely their first response would be, "what's that?"  No one wants to appear dumb, of course, so they might fake it and they may have even heard of it, but they are not set up with an ability to receive bitcoin, an they might be reluctant to set up such ability, especially if they are approached from random peep (namely yours truly) off of the street.

The last time that I tried this, the response was dismissive:  “It may go to zero.”  The business proprietor knew what Bitcoin was.  He thought that it was a stupid idea.

There are a decent number of peeps who believe that they know what bitcoin is because they heard the name or they have some idea-ers about it... but in reflection of our pretty narrow adoption level, there are a decent number of peeps who have way fewer clues about what bitcoin is than they believe.

Look at several of us forum members who have been studying bitcoin for years and years and years, and we are still grappling with what bitcoin is or various ways that it may serve us in the present or the future.

That was when Bitcoin was in the doldrums around $4k–5k for a long time.  Maybe I should try it during a FOMO bull run, rather than a bear market.

Sure.  Probably does not hurt to attempt various real world interactions, and probably in the longer run, the more that interpersonal interactions are attempted, the more bitcoin will become adopted or better known to have use cases for more people, even if several peeps might just be storing it on the side.

I do think that business owners should immediately swap to Tethers* the exact amount that they project they will need to cover their fiat-denominated Accounts Payable in the short term (approximately the marginal cost to them of the underlying merchant transaction), for the reason that you state to me personally:  Losses and potential insolvency are bad for business, too!

Likely many business owners will prefer whatever is easy, and surely if they recognize an ability to save or value to appreciate, they would likely be o.k. with that too.. so long as they figure that they have ways to easily liquidate, if they so choose... accounting issues can also be one of the complications that they consider if they are hesitant to get involved in bitcoin or any other asset on a grander scale.

I have considered writing software to support this, but it got kicked down on the priorities list...  It is something that BTCPay Server should consider, to solve their weak point that keeps many businesses stuck on outsourced payment acceptance.  (Many ideas here, will omit for now.)


* Much better than using Shitpay!

Sure, there are likely quite a few developers considering these various kinds of angles, including lightning network developers considering ways to build businesses around ease of use, too... and of course, if something is considered to be pegged to the dollar, then there might not be a tax event, perhaps.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
So, ATH soon is a given IMHO, then what ? Stay up there, go significantly higher ? Then what ? Do you think a pullback to 4 digits USD is possible ? Asking for a friend.

I'm not asking for maths or technical analysis but rather opinion or gut feeling.

Just like we think we can get to ATH very soon.

My feeling is if we ever pass 20k again we dance up and down on that line for a while. 19500-20500.

Finally move to 25-30k Jan-Feb. 2021

then correct to 14k-18k Mar-APR 2021

Rally like mad maybe 50k  Sept- Dec 2021
legendary
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We choose to go to the moon
legendary
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We choose to go to the moon
hero member
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fly or die
So, ATH soon is a given IMHO, then what ? Stay up there, go significantly higher ? Then what ? Do you think a pullback to 4 digits USD is possible ? Asking for a friend.

I'm not asking for maths or technical analysis but rather opinion or gut feeling.

Just like we think we can get to ATH very soon.
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
i have sells stacked at 19667 and 20001 just for the lulz

Could you explain what you mean by "just for the lulz" to a noob like me pls sir?

i use coinbase so i use its figure for the all time high which is 19,666 (although the "official" numbers used by the WO is bitstamps i think). so according to coinbase if i sell at 1 dollar above its ath its just kinda an inside joke to me. same with the 20001 figure, a 20k ath is tossed around a lot as its accurate enough. so one dollar more, just to sell above that number too. i hodled through all that and didnt sell, so its kinda a symbolic thing.

the amounts arent much but it will buy a new toy or two.
legendary
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'The right to privacy matters'
While BTC is flirting with its ATH, I reached a new ATH forum rank. I'm not much for self-glorifying rank-up threads in the Reputation boards, yet wanted to say sincere thx to everyone who helped me get here. I've had a ball (only one, not two #nohomo) until now, and I'm planning to keep that spirit up. Thx.

So, what's new? Smiley
Congrats for your new achievement for me its really dream as I also join this clube hopefully this will happen even very long way to go but doing good with positive mind.

Thx mate. The shitty thing is, I just realized that now my profile looks as if I'm a pré-Merit member who's never succeeded in getting more than 8 Merits during his entire membership on these boards.

Feels a bit like downgrading as a "big" 12-year-old kid in elementary school back down to suddenly being a junior in high school. Cool

511 or as I like to say Mel Ott
legendary
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born once atheist
jeeezus.... this shitcoinery pumpening business is despicable!



hmmm....how do I de-necrify and fire up this shitcoin wallet?  I forgot....
jr. member
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It’s when the $ exceeds the number of pages on the WO.  Obviously.  

$27,600, the Real All Time High  Grin

The ath is @ $19666+1

Then we will enjoy daily aths for some time.. until we reach the cycle top.. and i pray the lord its not only at current page parity Grin

i have sells stacked at 19667 and 20001 just for the lulz

Could you explain what you mean by "just for the lulz" to a noob like me pls sir?
legendary
Activity: 4354
Merit: 3614
what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
overinvested in bitcoin

It’s funny.  I never hear people say, “overinvested in (dollars|euros|whatever)”.  ;-)

Can one be overinvested in money?  Is that like allocating too much cash in your portfolio?


Firing at random, for I am now something like 20 pages behind WO.  ATH yet?

Yes you can be, I am, see above. If the state accepted BTC for taxes, I wouldn't have this "problem".
Fyi, my state doesn't. Hence "overinvested".

when i cash out i add 30% extra and set it aside (in fiat) for the man. not worth the risk of having to sell btc later at an unfavorable price to cover taxes.

of course the odds could go the other way id be ahead but i aint risking it. im not into irs types crawling up my anus. sounds unpleasant.
sr. member
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Don't Trust, Verify
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VanEck EU launches physical backed Bitcoin ETN on Deutsche Boerse Xetra
Gabor Gurbacs, digital asset manager at VanEck, has announced the launch of a Bitcoin exchange-traded note (ETN) by its subsidiary VanEck Europe. The financial product is physically backed by BTC and has been added to the German stock exchange Xetra, as Gurbacs said:
Launching a Bitcoin ETP was a top priority for VanEck. We succeeded! VanEck hopes to serve many in Europe and Asia!
https://www.crypto-news-flash.com/vaneck-eu-launches-physical-backed-bitcoin-etn-on-deutsche-boerse-xetra/
full member
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They made me this way..
How well Prepared is Bitcoin against a CME? Asking for a "Friend"




Bitcoin Readyness for a CME ? Grin

CME ain't shit compared to Bitcoin.

Lol, a CME can fry us all to crisps if it is strong enough

CME Meaning : Coronal Mass Ejection
legendary
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what is this "brake pedal" you speak of?
It’s when the $ exceeds the number of pages on the WO.  Obviously.  

$27,600, the Real All Time High  Grin

The ath is @ $19666+1

Then we will enjoy daily aths for some time.. until we reach the cycle top.. and i pray the lord its not only at current page parity Grin

i have sells stacked at 19667 and 20001 just for the lulz
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