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legendary
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That doesn't sound boring at all. It sounds idyllic and I couldn't agree more. When it happens, I'll invite you to one of my homes in the mountains in exchange for a visit to one of yours!

It's a deal. Seriously. It would be really fun to make this happen sometime in the next few years...

OK. So.  We really just need the next stage of this bull flag to be confirmed.  I do not hate a pullback here, but I LOVE continuation!



You are describing some level of fuck you status.. even if you do not exactly specify what that is exactly.

So if you are saying a couple of years, then we are talking about this upcoming bullrun, that may well take less than 2 years to play out.

And, sure we could get $100k to $300k out of it, but since you have been sufficiently pessimistic, cAPSLOCK, I am suspecting that you are thinking that the $100k to $300k might not happen this time around.. .and surely, I am more than willing to go along with an overly conservative way of planning... accordingly, if the run has not happened yet, then my plans are really only going to pencil in a BTC price appreciation of about 6% per year... just to be conservative.

In other words, likely our thinking is similar in that regards, cAPSLOCK, even though we tend to outline our thinking in different ways... so I am speculating that you are thinking that $100k to $300k would be enough to obtain your fuck you status goal?

If you need another bull run for that, then "a few years" seems like the wrong time frame, and you likely would need to add another four years onto the 2 years that is  currently "scheduled" for our next bull run... yes, I am being a bit tongue in cheek regarding "scheduled" as a word choice because all of us longer term HODLers realize that these BTC price appreciation matters are far from guaranteed.

where on earth is the money going to come from to go to 300000? in a few years.







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... it is missing a factor that is key.  The accumulated world's worth is 50 to 100 trillion dollars.

BTC at 20 k in 2017 means. about 20,000 x 16.8 million = 336,000,000,000  336 billion is a  mere 0.336% to 0.672%  of the worlds wealth

the 10 wealthiest people  in 2016 had:
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https://english.alarabiya.net/en/variety/2016/03/15/The-top-50-richest-people-in-the-world-5-reasons-why-they-re-successful-
1.   William [Bill] Gates III – $87.4 billion
2.   Amancio Ortega Gaona – $66.8 billion
3.   Warren Buffett – $60.7 billion
4.   Jeffrey Bezos – $56.6 billion
5.   David Koch – $47.4 billion
6.   Charles Koch – $46.8 billion
7.   Lawrence Ellison – $45.3 billion
8.   Mark Zuckerberg – $42.8 billion
9.   Michael Bloomberg – $42.1 billion
10.   Ingvar Kamprad – $39.3 billion

this adds to 543.5 billion  So you can argue if they get together and try to pump a coin to 20k they could.



But 250,000 x 18 million is 4.5 trillion  that is 8 or 9 times what the top ten people in the world have.

The pump is harder.

4.5 trillion is 4.5 to 9% of the worlds wealth

I would argue  that shift can't happen in less than 10 years.   12-18 months is a no go.

I believe that the 12-18 month cap for a high is much closer to 50,000 not 250,000

Of course I am barring the collapse of the USA dollar as the world standard for wealth.

If that happens hell BTC could be worth 1,000,000 in ten years or less.

this is from another post.

the argument I gave is btc can capture only a certain % of the world wealth.

it got close to .5% in 2017

I simply do not see it going past 1%  or maybe 40-60k
legendary
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OT: WTF is it about Bitcoin entrepreneurs (and/or celebs) with their narcissistic heads stuck so far up their asses, that makes them think they have what it takes to run for President of U.S.A. ?  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/child-star-turned-millionaire-brock-155613028.html

Who is next? CSW? Roger Ver? Calvin Ayre?



 Only one of those last three was a natural born US citizen... but he renounced his citizenship.  Not that a minor detail like that would stand in CSW's way.  For all we know, he may have proof that he penned the original US Constitution or failing that holds several patents on it.
JL0
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legendary
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 Obviously so you can see that he's not wearing a mask. 
I hope the 3 perps were socially distancing during the alleged hacking.
legendary
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Dollar shitshow incoming:

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USA OUTLOOK CUT TO NEG FROM STABLE BY FITCH

“High fiscal deficits and debt were already on a rising medium-term path even before the onset of the huge economic shock precipitated by the coronavirus,” Fitch said.


A downgrade for the US would be catastrophic. It’s the end for the USD as world currency? 49 years since last default? Not bad...


If they (Fitch) try, they might be immediately raided by three letter agencies, which will seek to find some potential impropriety.
The only way the downgrade might happen if all 3 companies (Moody's, S&P's and Fitch) do it simultaneously, and even then it is a stretch.
Check out what happened before:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_credit-rating_downgrades
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Dollar shitshow incoming:

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USA OUTLOOK CUT TO NEG FROM STABLE BY FITCH

“High fiscal deficits and debt were already on a rising medium-term path even before the onset of the huge economic shock precipitated by the coronavirus,” Fitch said.


A downgrade for the US would be catastrophic. It’s the end for the USD as world currency? 49 years since last default? Not bad...


Not if we all hold btc and move to a more sensible standard.
legendary
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Fair enough.  I was not trying to stalk you regarding your lil visit, but I was still wondering if you were anticipating such visit in the next couple of years, or if you needed to add another 4 years to that, which would be 2025/26-ish.

Of course, you would need some time to make various transactions whether it is purchasing or buiilding arrangements before you would be likely to invite anyone over to your pad.

Yeah... *sigh* in all reality it does not matter if bitcoin were to jump up to 10MM/per overnight.  I am slow and it would take some time for me to figure out how to get my sweet little up-country chalet (truly picturing a Hawaiian chalet).  I might just remain in my rickety old house that I have lived in for a couple decades now...  So much work moving to Hawaii...  Again. I am a simple man, and don't need much.  But the whiskey I would be drinking on my porch would be a few notches better.



I've been to Maui...nice.
Interestingly, although RE prices are high, RE taxes are low (just 0.27%), so not much cash outlay after you buy.
Buy a couple, rent out the second unit...i have seen some people doing just that.
Weather is great, but sun shine is really getting to you, hence lots of 'leather skin' phenomenon.
Overall, a paradise, of course.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"


Fair enough.  I was not trying to stalk you regarding your lil visit, but I was still wondering if you were anticipating such visit in the next couple of years, or if you needed to add another 4 years to that, which would be 2025/26-ish.

Of course, you would need some time to make various transactions whether it is purchasing or buiilding arrangements before you would be likely to invite anyone over to your pad.

Yeah... *sigh* in all reality it does not matter if bitcoin were to jump up to 10MM/per overnight.  I am slow and it would take some time for me to figure out how to get my sweet little up-country chalet (truly picturing a Hawaiian chalet).  I might just remain in my rickety old house that I have lived in for a couple decades now...  So much work moving to Hawaii...  Again. I am a simple man, and don't need much.  But the whiskey I would be drinking on my porch would be a few notches better.

If you are not actively figuring out the Maui logistics, then it is going to be quite difficult to relocate there.

A lot of people rent before they buy, so a few recognizance trips (maybe two weeks at a time) might be in order as preliminary steps.. might even cause you to decide a different location.. perhaps?


You are a bit ridiculous and hilarious at the same time, cAPSLOCK.

Why would it matter that you make some bullish statements here and there?  And, then proclaim that such bullish statements (because you deeply and sincerely believe them) cause you to NOT be pessimistic.



 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I am not sure I understand your question.  But I am most certainly bullish on bitcoin.  Very bullish.  And I believe that one of the next big moves will be very violent and leave many people behind... stunned in a cloud of dust... holding their fork and knife as the reality kicks in that dinner is already 20 miles away.


I relish the thought of the really big shorts being called.  Leveraged to the hilt.  And their accounts drained to the very bottom by the avalanche that is the biggest financial event that has happened in the history of man.  I wish no individual ill will, really.  But a time will come that Bitcoin leaves many on the sidelines.

It could be soon.  Or maybe not?

I have my popcorn.

I will let this portion of our back and forth exchange rest for now, and I do agree with you that there are pretty decent odds that some BTC shorters are going to get R33kt when they believe that they have employed enough capital to keep bitcoin in a certain "range."  They may not necessarily disclose the extent of their losses, but it is still likely that we will end up finding out about it, perhaps later.
legendary
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Dollar shitshow incoming:

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USA OUTLOOK CUT TO NEG FROM STABLE BY FITCH

“High fiscal deficits and debt were already on a rising medium-term path even before the onset of the huge economic shock precipitated by the coronavirus,” Fitch said.


A downgrade for the US would be catastrophic. It’s the end for the USD as world currency? 49 years since last default? Not bad...
legendary
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Fair enough.  I was not trying to stalk you regarding your lil visit, but I was still wondering if you were anticipating such visit in the next couple of years, or if you needed to add another 4 years to that, which would be 2025/26-ish.

Of course, you would need some time to make various transactions whether it is purchasing or buiilding arrangements before you would be likely to invite anyone over to your pad.

Yeah... *sigh* in all reality it does not matter if bitcoin were to jump up to 10MM/per overnight.  I am slow and it would take some time for me to figure out how to get my sweet little up-country chalet (truly picturing a Hawaiian chalet).  I might just remain in my rickety old house that I have lived in for a couple decades now...  So much work moving to Hawaii...  Again. I am a simple man, and don't need much.  But the whiskey I would be drinking on my porch would be a few notches better.


Hawaii is my moonshot destination. It's quite expensive, as you know. Also, I think I'd prefer the big island over Maui. Large pieces of land are still available relatively inexpensively there. Also, the island is larger, with a slightly  larger variety of scenery. Maui is pretty incredible though - maybe the most beautiful place on earth.
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!

You are a bit ridiculous and hilarious at the same time, cAPSLOCK.

Why would it matter that you make some bullish statements here and there?  And, then proclaim that such bullish statements (because you deeply and sincerely believe them) cause you to NOT be pessimistic.



 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I am not sure I understand your question.  But I am most certainly bullish on bitcoin.  Very bullish.  And I believe that one of the next big moves will be very violent and leave many people behind... stunned in a cloud of dust... holding their fork and knife as the reality kicks in that dinner is already 20 miles away.


I relish the thought of the really big shorts being called.  Leveraged to the hilt.  And their accounts drained to the very bottom by the avalanche that is the biggest financial event that has happened in the history of man.  I wish no individual ill will, really.  But a time will come that Bitcoin leaves many on the sidelines.

It could be soon.  Or maybe not?

I have my popcorn.
legendary
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Self-Custody is a right. Say no to"Non-custodial"
If Bitcoin breaks through $14,000 (its highest peak since ATH), then there's a very good chance that we'll shoot up to $20,000 over the next weeks (if not days).

The sell walls between $14,000 and $20,000 are extremely weak, and another strong bullish run could easily see them smashed.
Oh?  No resistance expected in the $17,250 price arena?

As we can see by the recent influx of newly minted stablecoins (ala Tether, USD Coin, TrueUSD etc), there's definitely a bunch of new money moving into the market.

It's not just money being sucked from the shitcoinsaltcoins into Bitcoin, it's also a bunch of new retail investors getting into the market. This is what we need, and this is a large part of the reason why Bitcoin went stratospheric in 2017.

Could be.

i am not sure if retail is going to be driving this market, at least the first part of it... sure it is possible.. and also there seems to be quite a bit of institutional money coming in, too.

Difficult to know the cause(s) exactly, anyhow.. so I am willing to hold this question for a while without necessarily rushing into an answer.

Hopefully it happens sooner rather than later—it would be incredible to see Bitcoin hit a new all-time high this year. I think $100,000 is a bit optimistic (even under the best case scenario), but $20k-$40k is definitely within the realms of possibility.



Fair enough on that point.
legendary
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Note the unconventional cAPITALIZATION!


Fair enough.  I was not trying to stalk you regarding your lil visit, but I was still wondering if you were anticipating such visit in the next couple of years, or if you needed to add another 4 years to that, which would be 2025/26-ish.

Of course, you would need some time to make various transactions whether it is purchasing or buiilding arrangements before you would be likely to invite anyone over to your pad.

Yeah... *sigh* in all reality it does not matter if bitcoin were to jump up to 10MM/per overnight.  I am slow and it would take some time for me to figure out how to get my sweet little up-country chalet (truly picturing a Hawaiian chalet).  I might just remain in my rickety old house that I have lived in for a couple decades now...  So much work moving to Hawaii...  Again. I am a simple man, and don't need much.  But the whiskey I would be drinking on my porch would be a few notches better.

JL0
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From @filbfilb and Pullback coming ?
legendary
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He seems to have lived his life on his own terms.  That alone deserves respect.

Too bad he gave up on reality and started drinking the Kool-Aid. Happens to a lot of successful people, they think that just because they are successful at one thing they are experts in everything.



 The reality is that many people successful or not don't like being told what to do regardless of the consequence.  I don't think there is any new Kool-Aid involved wrt the mask.  Sure, the science is out; the science is out on many things which we also ignore on a daily basis without any consideration.  Speeding, smoking, drinking alcohol, using drugs, unprotected sex, going to the Moon/Mars and not wearing your seat belt...  Some people are more inclined to take risks than others.
 
 I'm not going to condemn the man based on that one thing - it was his choice.  Maybe his death will serve as the motivation for others who are on the fence about wearing a mask to put one on; especially those who are in the "more susceptible" categories.

Or in the "close to someone in the more susceptible category" category.

What I've heard, and it made sense, is that wearing a mask helps 80% to keep the virus in (not infecting other people), but only like 20% to keep it out (not infecting oneself).

EDIT - Jimbo beat me to it!
legendary
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That doesn't sound boring at all. It sounds idyllic and I couldn't agree more. When it happens, I'll invite you to one of my homes in the mountains in exchange for a visit to one of yours!

It's a deal. Seriously. It would be really fun to make this happen sometime in the next few years...

OK. So.  We really just need the next stage of this bull flag to be confirmed.  I do not hate a pullback here, but I LOVE continuation!



You are describing some level of fuck you status.. even if you do not exactly specify what that is exactly.

So if you are saying a couple of years, then we are talking about this upcoming bullrun, that may well take less than 2 years to play out.

And, sure we could get $100k to $300k out of it, but since you have been sufficiently pessimistic, cAPSLOCK, I am suspecting that you are thinking that the $100k to $300k might not happen this time around.. .and surely, I am more than willing to go along with an overly conservative way of planning... accordingly, if the run has not happened yet, then my plans are really only going to pencil in a BTC price appreciation of about 6% per year... just to be conservative.

In other words, likely our thinking is similar in that regards, cAPSLOCK, even though we tend to outline our thinking in different ways... so I am speculating that you are thinking that $100k to $300k would be enough to obtain your fuck you status goal?

If you need another bull run for that, then "a few years" seems like the wrong time frame, and you likely would need to add another four years onto the 2 years that is  currently "scheduled" for our next bull run... yes, I am being a bit tongue in cheek regarding "scheduled" as a word choice because all of us longer term HODLers realize that these BTC price appreciation matters are far from guaranteed.



Hmm.. I think my ADD may have thrown you off.  There is no direct relationship between the first and second sentences.  The first is regarding a long term goal where someday I invite Strawbs to sit on my porch with my wife and myself and enjoy a couple beers from Maui Brewing while we watch the sun set behind Haleakala.

Fair enough.  I was not trying to stalk you regarding your lil visit, but I was still wondering if you were anticipating such visit in the next couple of years, or if you needed to add another 4 years to that, which would be 2025/26-ish.

Of course, you would need some time to make various transactions whether it is purchasing or buiilding arrangements before you would be likely to invite anyone over to your pad.

The second sentence is regarding the chart I posted which is the current hourly which depicts, in my opinion a bull flag that has already poked it's upward fronds in the direction I am hoping it heads this weekend.  Short term horizon.  And about that I mention that I am OK if we see a correction here and that was a fakeout, but I would prefer us to keep steaming up the hill since it's just more fun when number go up.

Seems like ongoingly decent upwards price pressures to me, but hey, we already know that sometimes momentum can change at a drop of a hat, so I would not be surprised either way... probably I put the odds of continuing up to be slightly greater than NOT.. but hey, I am in one of those 50/50-ish appraisals, currently.

And again your strange interpretation of pessimism on my part is something I still don't understand.  I mean i am not exactly the bull MicG is, but I am likely only a few steps down from his point of view. Wink

Fair enough if I might be over-reading what seems to be either pessimism or conservatism... and each of us are within some kind of spectrum in terms of these principles, anyhow.  As I had mentioned before, I am largely intending to respond to the various ideas that you present rather than specifically trying to analyze your particulars...

As to F.U status...  Ehh... I dunno.  The numbers you lay out would be very nice.  I expect we will see those number eventually.

"Eventually" is a pretty vague framework. You likely realize that I am using various currently seemingly valid BTC price prediction models as for my framework, anyhow.. it is not like I have unique ideas in the BTC price prediction direction, except just kind of rambling on about my attempted interpretation of such and maybe to tweak probabilities here and there along the way in such manners that may well differ from other peeps who have a differing view of the assignment of probabilities matter or maybe differ in the timeframe matter.

So, sure in that regard, you might even call me more pessimistic than you cAPSLOCK (and therefore implicitly less bullish than micdude, but even micdude will appreciate that there are no guarantees in BTClandia regarding 100xing your money in a few years), because I take many of the longer term BTC price predictions with a decently large grain of salt.. and generally\, like, I said, I am penciling 6% per year BTC price appreciation, and anything beyond 6% per year is icing on the cake.. .. but I don't start putting in my orders for hookers, lambos and blow until after the BTC price has already gone up, rather than based on some kind of future fantastical BTC price that may or may not happen, in spite of the various seemingly ongoingly credible BTC price prediction models.

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By the way.. one of the scenarios I think is an edge case for THIS bull is we see the REAL upward slope of the "S curve" where the demand for bitcoin drives it to 7 digits.  Like I say... edge case, but I think a real possibility... in the next couple years.

Pessimistic?

You are a bit ridiculous and hilarious at the same time, cAPSLOCK.

Why would it matter that you make some bullish statements here and there?  And, then proclaim that such bullish statements (because you deeply and sincerely believe them) cause you to NOT be pessimistic.



 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
legendary
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That doesn't sound boring at all. It sounds idyllic and I couldn't agree more. When it happens, I'll invite you to one of my homes in the mountains in exchange for a visit to one of yours!

It's a deal. Seriously. It would be really fun to make this happen sometime in the next few years...


Done. The Scottish Highlands await you and your wife.  One day.....


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Ooh.  Something is feeling kinda frisky...  Seeing action with a little bit of actual rising volume.

Coinbase Pro seeing pretty nice action... which makes me wonder... They don't usually lead the volume do they?

It's still a very popular on ramp; when coinbase leads I think it's very bullish (people moving fiat to exchanges)

I think so too. In 2017, when every 'friend of a friend who had heard I was into bitcoin' were phoning me, 9/10 of them had a newly opened Coinbase account.

Interestingly, not that many "friends" coming out of the word work yet. It hasn't really hit mainstream news. Once we get closer to ATH im sure interest will pick up again. Until then a slow march up would be great.
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Haha brilliant. Out of Merit but would have sent you x 10 for that, genuinely made me LOL.
Got you covered LFC.
I lolled too.
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