Wallet Encryption Password, - page 2.

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Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:31:12 AM

Quote from: instacalm on August 08, 2014, 11:29:45 AM

No. If you want to secure the wallet, you should move its funds out into a new wallet asap. As stated earlier, locally changing the wallet's password from A to B does not secure the wallet if a stranger owns the wallet.dat file which was encrypted with password A and knows password A. If you change it to B, that has no effect on the compromised wallet.

This is exactly what i thought, but you guys have spent more time on it, so wanted a clarification. Thanks.

he said "and knows password A", my case talk about the contrary, he don't know the password

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Quote from: instacalm on August 08, 2014, 11:29:45 AM

No. If you want to secure the wallet, you should move its funds out into a new wallet asap. As stated earlier, locally changing the wallet's password from A to B does not secure the wallet if a stranger owns the wallet.dat file which was encrypted with password A and knows password A. If you change it to B, that has no effect on the compromised wallet.

What will the best way to move funds, rename old wallet.dat let the QT create a new one, generate a new address on the new wallet and then go back to old wallet transfer to new wallet?

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Quote from: instacalm on August 08, 2014, 11:29:45 AM

No. If you want to secure the wallet, you should move its funds out into a new wallet asap. As stated earlier, locally changing the wallet's password from A to B does not secure the wallet if a stranger owns the wallet.dat file which was encrypted with password A and knows password A. If you change it to B, that has no effect on the compromised wallet.

This is exactly what i thought, but you guys have spent more time on it, so wanted a clarification. Thanks.

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it's a bit like an account, if someone steal an aka, but then you change the pass when he log out, he need the new one

Quote from: instacalm on August 08, 2014, 11:29:45 AM

No. If you want to secure the wallet, you should move its funds out into a new wallet asap. As stated earlier, locally changing the wallet's password from A to B does not secure the wallet if a stranger owns the wallet.dat file which was encrypted with password A and knows password A. If you change it to B, that has no effect on the compromised wallet.

the point is that he don't know about the password A, he just have the copy of the wallet, he can't access it

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No. If you want to secure the wallet, you should move its funds out into a new wallet asap. As stated earlier, locally changing the wallet's password from A to B does not secure the wallet if a stranger owns the wallet.dat file which was encrypted with password A and knows password A. If you change it to B, that has no effect on the compromised wallet.

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Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:27:15 AM

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:26:39 AM

Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:23:04 AM

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:20:02 AM

Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:19:21 AM

you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one

There you go, different answer now, so you mean the password is communicated on the network / Blockchain?

i edited, if he didn't compromise the wallet(he don't know the pass so he can't access it, but you are still the only one that know about it) then he need the new one

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:21:12 AM

Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:19:21 AM

you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one if he didn't compromise the wallet but just copy-paste it to his pc

But he copy/pasted when the password was 123456 not 98765, i changed the password after the wallet.dat was copied?

if he can't access to the wallet then he need the new pass

Okay, lets say you have my wallet.dat and the password is 123456, but you're still trying to crack it, i now know that you have it and i still see my coins, and i figure out that you still haven't gotten the password, if i change it to 98765, do you need 123456 or 98765? When you got the wallet.dat the password was 123456?

i need 98765

Awesome, that answers, thanks so much!

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Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:26:39 AM

Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:23:04 AM

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:20:02 AM

Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:19:21 AM

you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one

There you go, different answer now, so you mean the password is communicated on the network / Blockchain?

i edited, if he didn't compromise the wallet(he don't know the pass so he can't access it, but you are still the only one that know about it) then he need the new one

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:21:12 AM

Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:19:21 AM

you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one if he didn't compromise the wallet but just copy-paste it to his pc

But he copy/pasted when the password was 123456 not 98765, i changed the password after the wallet.dat was copied?

if he can't access to the wallet then he need the new pass

Okay, lets say you have my wallet.dat and the password is 123456, but you're still trying to crack it, i now know that you have it and i still see my coins, and i figure out that you still haven't gotten the password, if i change it to 98765, do you need 123456 or 98765? When you got the wallet.dat the password was 123456?

i need 98765, but if i craked it it doesn't matter anymore what pass you set, because i can access to that wallet

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Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:23:04 AM

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:20:02 AM

Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:19:21 AM

you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one

There you go, different answer now, so you mean the password is communicated on the network / Blockchain?

i edited, if he didn't compromise the wallet(he don't know the pass so he can't access it, but you are still the only one that know about it) then he need the new one

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:21:12 AM

Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:19:21 AM

you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one if he didn't compromise the wallet but just copy-paste it to his pc

But he copy/pasted when the password was 123456 not 98765, i changed the password after the wallet.dat was copied?

if he can't access to the wallet then he need the new pass

Okay, lets say you have my wallet.dat and the password is 123456, but you're still trying to crack it, i now know that you have it and i still see my coins, and i figure out that you still haven't gotten the password, if i change it to 98765, do you need 123456 or 98765? When you got the wallet.dat the password was 123456?

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Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:20:02 AM

Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:19:21 AM

you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one

There you go, different answer now, so you mean the password is communicated on the network / Blockchain?

i edited, if he didn't compromise the wallet(he don't know the pass so he can't access it, but you are still the only one that know about it) then he need the new one

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:21:12 AM

Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:19:21 AM

you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one if he didn't compromise the wallet but just copy-paste it to his pc

But he copy/pasted when the password was 123456 not 98765, i changed the password after the wallet.dat was copied?

if he(the hacker) can't access to the wallet then he need the new pass

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Quote from: Mr_Banana_Split on August 08, 2014, 11:21:08 AM

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:17:46 AM

Quote from: instacalm on August 08, 2014, 11:15:11 AM

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:10:22 AM

Let's say I encrypted my wallet with a password "123456" and I kept the same password for 2 months. I then somehow realized that my wallet is hacked, or I had a trojan/malware or some one might have my wallet.dat, I plan to change my password to "98765".

Lets say someone hacked my wallet before I changed the password, So what password is now effective? Is 123456 or 98765? Which password does he need to get the coins?

Hi rhkazani1, if someone compromised the wallet.dat which was encrypted with password "123456", then that's the password for the wallet. Whether you change your password or not has no effect on the compromised wallet.dat file as it's different from your new one with the changed password.

P.S. wrong category

This answers, thanks. Just realized its in wrong category.

If that really happened and you still have your funds, get them out out that wallet into a new one ASAP !

mbs

not sure, it might have happened, due diligence , he might be trying to crack the password, would it help if i change the password now?

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Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:19:21 AM

you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one if he didn't compromise the wallet but just copy-paste it to his pc

But he copy/pasted when the password was 123456 not 98765, i changed the password after the wallet.dat was copied?

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Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:17:46 AM

Quote from: instacalm on August 08, 2014, 11:15:11 AM

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:10:22 AM

Let's say I encrypted my wallet with a password "123456" and I kept the same password for 2 months. I then somehow realized that my wallet is hacked, or I had a trojan/malware or some one might have my wallet.dat, I plan to change my password to "98765".

Lets say someone hacked my wallet before I changed the password, So what password is now effective? Is 123456 or 98765? Which password does he need to get the coins?

Hi rhkazani1, if someone compromised the wallet.dat which was encrypted with password "123456", then that's the password for the wallet. Whether you change your password or not has no effect on the compromised wallet.dat file as it's different from your new one with the changed password.

P.S. wrong category

This answers, thanks. Just realized its in wrong category.

If that really happened and you still have your funds, get them out out that wallet into a new one ASAP !

mbs

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Quote from: Amph on August 08, 2014, 11:19:21 AM

you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one

There you go, different answer now, so you mean the password is communicated on the network / Blockchain?

Amph

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you guys didn't understand what he asks...he need the new one if he didn't compromise the wallet but just copy-paste it to his pc

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Quote from: instacalm on August 08, 2014, 11:15:11 AM

Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:10:22 AM

Let's say I encrypted my wallet with a password "123456" and I kept the same password for 2 months. I then somehow realized that my wallet is hacked, or I had a trojan/malware or some one might have my wallet.dat, I plan to change my password to "98765".

Lets say someone hacked my wallet before I changed the password, So what password is now effective? Is 123456 or 98765? Which password does he need to get the coins?

Hi rhkazani1, if someone compromised the wallet.dat which was encrypted with password "123456", then that's the password for the wallet. Whether you change your password or not has no effect on the compromised wallet.dat file as it's different from your new one with the changed password.

P.S. wrong category

This answers, thanks. Just realized its in wrong category.

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Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:13:56 AM

Quote from: cryptoangel on August 08, 2014, 11:13:01 AM

Makes no sense, Check the blockchain. If they is no coins in your address then you have lost them. Otherwise use a new system that is not infected and transfer the wallet.dat over.

In order to get the coin one needs the password right? which password? new or the old one?

Anyone that has the access to the private key of a bitcoin adress that has received bitcoins has the rights to spend it.

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Quote from: rhkazani1 on August 08, 2014, 11:10:22 AM

Let's say I encrypted my wallet with a password "123456" and I kept the same password for 2 months. I then somehow realized that my wallet is hacked, or I had a trojan/malware or some one might have my wallet.dat, I plan to change my password to "98765".

Lets say someone hacked my wallet before I changed the password, So what password is now effective? Is 123456 or 98765? Which password does he need to get the coins?

Hi rhkazani1, if someone compromised the wallet.dat which was encrypted with password "123456", then that's the password for the wallet. Whether you change your password or not has no effect on the compromised wallet.dat file as it's different from your new one with the changed password.

P.S. wrong category

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Quote from: cryptoangel on August 08, 2014, 11:13:01 AM

Makes no sense, Check the blockchain. If they is no coins in your address then you have lost them. Otherwise use a new system that is not infected and transfer the wallet.dat over.

In order to get the coin one needs the password right? which password? new or the old one?

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Makes no sense, Check the blockchain. If they is no coins in your address then you have lost them. Otherwise use a new system that is not infected and transfer the wallet.dat over.

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Quote from: BTMan on August 08, 2014, 11:11:01 AM

what?

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