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Quote from: TulipIII on December 30, 2022, 04:42:51 PM

NO, I’m not a scammer. Let me explain:

I’ve lost a ton of money in crypto this year, due in part to crypto crash, but also because I was deeply invested in Luna, Ust, and subproducts. I think these losses might be interesting for people who earned money this year, or plan on earning it next years. They might be interested in reducing profits and avoiding paying taxes on them by just declaring these losses as well.

The idea is simple: private wallets don’t identify you for tax purposes, so it’s easy to prove that a wallet is “yours” if you have access to it. So I would just sell access to some wallets which have had loses this year, which you can check on the blockchain.

I have wallets with losses of all sizes, so losses can be adapted to the client. Here is an image with all of my wallets, in USD: https://gyazo.com/c4e9707ef4ce235e51becd5162554382
I’m not doing any tax statement myself this year, since I’m a digital nomad and live travelling.

I can let you know the addresses in private. In order to do the selling safely, we can do it throw a reputable person that both parties agree on, who could act as an escrow.
If you need any clarification, just send me a DM. To be honest, I’m surprised I haven’t found these kind of sellings on the forum.

I don't understand the reason of selling such wallets. they might be flagged with scam sigh.

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You still selling the wallets maybe we can do business

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This looks like some of variation of scam I mentioned in this post.

Quote from: Iadegbola34 on July 21, 2022, 03:59:59 AM

It seems that scammers develop new methods to perpetrate their act every new day. There's a new scam method going on across many social media platforms and if you use telegram very often, it must have come across your screen in many of the telegram group you belong.

The scammers pretend to be some sort of newbie to crypto and having an issue with sending out funds from their wallet. So they share their secret phrase to a public group where a lot of people can see it including a picture of some USDT(TRC20) to utilize the natural greed instinct of people.
As shown in this picture 👇👇

The purpose of the scam is to make people send some Tron to the wallet hoping they would be able to send out the USDT in the wallet. But the wallet is a multi-signatory wallet meaning all funds sent to it will be automatically transferred to another wallet.

When you come across such post avoid it at all cost, don't ever think you can outsmart the scammer or that you can be fast enough to send out the funds.

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Quote from: bettercrypto on March 11, 2023, 02:35:40 PM

When I looked at the image he gave here, there were different wallet addresses with different content amount that I'm not sure if it's bitcoin or what? but let's assume it's all bitcoin. For me this is just a possible trick to anyone who will be interested in it.

It's very hard to trust in this day and age, especially when it comes to money. I think that if someone is bitten by a sale like that, the person who buys it will probably be a greedy person.

I think there is no need for any assumption, if you read the opening post, he clearly has it mentioned that the amounts shown are in USD, and all these are lost money as he said he lost a lot of money last year due to market crash and the collapse of LUNA and it's sub-products. There is nothing really for anyone to be tricked in here.

What he is trying to do is to sell his wallets that have had losses to those who want to avoid paying taxes by declaring that those wallets belong to them and they lose all their funds so they will pay no taxes. It doesn't really sound legal to me, I don't know.

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Quote from: Potato Chips on January 09, 2023, 07:35:36 PM

In addition, what is stopping op from reselling these wallet files to multiple people? nothing lol. There’s even a good chance, it’s not theirs. The addresses could also be linked to centralized exchanges that shares information to tax agencies. OP can say otherwise but you'll never know because the best evidence they could provide is trust me bro.

and I very much doubt any reputable escrow from here would facilitate such sleazy dealing.

When I looked at the image he gave here, there were different wallet addresses with different content amount that I'm not sure if it's bitcoin or what? but let's assume it's all bitcoin. For me this is just a possible trick to anyone who will be interested in it.

It's very hard to trust in this day and age, especially when it comes to money. I think that if someone is bitten by a sale like that, the person who buys it will probably be a greedy person.

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I'm sorry, but selling access to wallets with losses for tax purposes is not legal or ethical. This is considered tax fraud and can result in serious legal consequences. The IRS and other tax agencies have sophisticated tools and methods to detect such activities, and penalties for tax fraud can include fines, interest, and even criminal charges. Therefore, I strongly advise you to avoid doing any such activity which can lead you to any problems.

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Quote from: TulipIII on December 30, 2022, 04:42:51 PM

NO, I’m not a scammer. Let me explain:

I’ve lost a ton of money in crypto this year, due in part to crypto crash, but also because I was deeply invested in Luna, Ust, and subproducts. I think these losses might be interesting for people who earned money this year, or plan on earning it next years. They might be interested in reducing profits and avoiding paying taxes on them by just declaring these losses as well.

The idea is simple: private wallets don’t identify you for tax purposes, so it’s easy to prove that a wallet is “yours” if you have access to it. So I would just sell access to some wallets which have had loses this year, which you can check on the blockchain.

I have wallets with losses of all sizes, so losses can be adapted to the client. Here is an image with all of my wallets, in USD: https://gyazo.com/c4e9707ef4ce235e51becd5162554382
I’m not doing any tax statement myself this year, since I’m a digital nomad and live travelling.

I can let you know the addresses in private. In order to do the selling safely, we can do it throw a reputable person that both parties agree on, who could act as an escrow.
If you need any clarification, just send me a DM. To be honest, I’m surprised I haven’t found these kind of sellings on the forum.

Who do you think is the sane community here on the forum who will believe you when you say that you will give someone access to your wallet?

Isn't there more scam than what you said, dude? only those who are not in a sane mind will bite what you say or are ignorant, it's that simple for sure. hey, just now the private key was being sold, and now you are selling the wallet address.

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Quote from: letteredhub on January 25, 2023, 02:56:58 AM

Quote from: TulipIII on December 30, 2022, 04:42:51 PM

NO, I’m not a scammer. Let me explain:

I’ve lost a ton of money in crypto this year, due in part to crypto crash, but also because I was deeply invested in Luna, Ust, and subproducts. I think these losses might be interesting for people who earned money this year, or plan on earning it next years. They might be interested in reducing profits and avoiding paying taxes on them by just declaring these losses as well.

I don't have much to say, but if anyone is reading this, they should understand that it's not only a fraudulent act hiding from paying tax but it's also a way of cheating others of your country men that are diligently paying their taxes. It's through this taxes internal revenues are generated used for the development and betterment of the state, in that, if you're invading tax then you're an enemy of the development of the state.

You're right to some extent but what do you think about states imposing like 30~50% taxes on crypto earnings. State does not provide any help for helping crypto guys, they try to ban them from everywhere and when it comes to profit they impose heavy taxes. Do you think it is fair?

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Quote from: TulipIII on December 30, 2022, 04:42:51 PM

NO, I’m not a scammer. Let me explain:

I’ve lost a ton of money in crypto this year, due in part to crypto crash, but also because I was deeply invested in Luna, Ust, and subproducts. I think these losses might be interesting for people who earned money this year, or plan on earning it next years. They might be interested in reducing profits and avoiding paying taxes on them by just declaring these losses as well.

I don't have much to say, but if anyone is reading this, they should understand that it's not only a fraudulent act hiding from paying tax but it's also a way of cheating others of your country men that are diligently paying their taxes. It's through this taxes internal revenues are generated used for the development and betterment of the state, in that, if you're invading tax then you're an enemy of the development of the state.

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If I understand very well, OP do you know this is just another way of aiding and supporting or should I say assisting some persons on tax invasion which is criminal offence in any civilized society. You might feel you're only trying to doing business but it's rather a fraudulent activity you're invariably embarking on.
Also, for anyone that would want to purchase an already used wallet by another person is taking a stupid risk of losing any penny you might wanna put into such wallet after buying it and claiming ownership. As the ownership is now a dual one and prone to scam activity from the selling end.
One thing I have learnt in my few time in this crypto industry is that, trying to cut corners only gets you incur more unimaginable losses.

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Quote from: TulipIII on December 30, 2022, 04:42:51 PM

NO, I’m not a scammer. Let me explain:

I’ve lost a ton of money in crypto this year, due in part to crypto crash, but also because I was deeply invested in Luna, Ust, and subproducts. I think these losses might be interesting for people who earned money this year, or plan on earning it next years. They might be interested in reducing profits and avoiding paying taxes on them by just declaring these losses as well.

Sorry but it looks like that you have lost money and you want to recover your money by scamming people.
Wallet selling service is mostly considered as a scam service so you won't find it here.

Quote from: spiker777 on January 08, 2023, 04:30:23 AM

this is a very unique type of selling offer. I never saw anyone else before selling his wallets where he lost money. but after reading other members' posts. I think it does make sense now. and there might be some people who might actually wanna buy these.

I do not understand the reason for selling these wallets and also what benefit the buyer will get ? AS the OP has lost in crashes, i suppose there will be no money in those wallet. So what's the point in buying those wallets.

Also, if you buy the private key, that key will still be with the seller forever and he can withdraw funds from it anytime you deposit money in that wallet.

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Quote from: examplens on January 10, 2023, 08:44:59 AM

I had a similar case. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-5391946 Then the user paid all costs in advance, and there was no need for escrow.
however, I think this method can only be used once and only with proof of the initial token purchase. You must prove that you really lost that money because the value of the token dropped drastically.
otherwise, we could all buy such tokens and report to the tax office that we acquired them when they were on ATH.

I see a similarity but I'm not sure how it applies in this case? op from the thread you linked appears to be playing by the rules and doesn't hint red flags. Meanwhile op here has no plans on paying taxes hence wanted to sell the wallet access and not the tokens. As pointed by the posts above, there are things that could likely land you in trouble for this.

or perhaps you were talking about the escrow? well, i guess if op is willing to go first, they could deal without one.

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Quote from: Potato Chips on January 09, 2023, 07:35:36 PM

In addition, what is stopping op from reselling these wallet files to multiple people? nothing lol. There’s even a good chance, it’s not theirs. The addresses could also be linked to centralized exchanges that shares information to tax agencies. OP can say otherwise but you'll never know because the best evidence they could provide is trust me bro.

and I very much doubt any reputable escrow from here would facilitate such sleazy dealing.

I had a similar case. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-5391946 Then the user paid all costs in advance, and there was no need for escrow.
however, I think this method can only be used once and only with proof of the initial token purchase. You must prove that you really lost that money because the value of the token dropped drastically.
otherwise, we could all buy such tokens and report to the tax office that we acquired them when they were on ATH.

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yesssir! 🫡

In addition, what is stopping op from reselling these wallet files to multiple people? nothing lol. There’s even a good chance, it’s not theirs. The addresses could also be linked to centralized exchanges that shares information to tax agencies. OP can say otherwise but you'll never know because the best evidence they could provide is trust me bro.

and I very much doubt any reputable escrow from here would facilitate such sleazy dealing.

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The photo you shared just looks like some spreadsheet with all sorts of negatives which means nothing at this point , and fyi even with loses suffered by most crypto assets some of those assets if at all they exist should have some value as no coin has gone to zero unless it was a shit coin from inception!!

And btw why would you want to sell those wallets, why not sell the coins themselves and crecover some money from them if holding is no longer an option here Roll Eyes

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this is a very unique type of selling offer. I never saw anyone else before selling his wallets where he lost money. but after reading other members' posts. I think it does make sense now. and there might be some people who might actually wanna buy these.

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Quote from: hugeblack on January 05, 2023, 04:57:10 AM

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I do not know what are.you saying but you are saying that there is no details lease give us more details so that we might work.

AFAIK, he is trying to sell wallets that have lost money/deals during 2022 and therefore useful for those scammers who want to prove that they lost their money due to Luna or for tax evasion Since you incurred losses and therefore will not pay tax.

I do not know if what he is trying to present legally in all countries or even will not expose you to the legal issue, but it is better to avoid buying such wallets, as it may be related to stealing things or hacking, and then you will be prosecuted as the culprit.

I think the I would not have clearly understood for what intent is behind these sails or reasons for buying such a wallet until I read your post on this.

Naturally, I would have expected one to just cut his or her lose by selling off whatever is left in the wallet off but,it seems nothing is really left with the negations I see in the screenshot.

Sometimes I wonder, how these taxes are being levied on crypto owners? How are you found out since, its mainly private and anonymous. The numbers on the wallet isn't alarming to raise any need for a declaration or call for alarm. Of what purpose does it become then.

I wouldn't engaged in any buying and selling of wallets though. It just doesn't feel like a right thing to do for me.

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Quote from: beertoll on January 05, 2023, 12:14:31 PM

In this type of scam, fraudsters claim to have a wallet with a large amount of cryptocurrency that they are unable to access or use, and they offer to give the wallet to someone else who can use it. When the unsuspecting victim adds their own funds to the wallet (to pay for gas fees for example to withdraw other tokens), they are actually sending their money to the scammer, who then drains the wallet using bots or other automated means.

This is a common method used by scammers to lure victims with the money they left in their wallets, and when the victims open these wallets with the private keys and recovery phrases and deposit their money in order to withdraw the money left by the scammers, they lose all the money they deposited, so we must be careful not to trust strangers and we must know that there is no free money that we can get in a jiffy, and there is no quick wealth, so it is better not to use or open a wallet that does not belong to us, or whose data has been sent to us, because it is a trap for us without our feeling.

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Quote from: hugeblack on January 05, 2023, 04:57:10 AM

I do not know if what he is trying to present legally in all countries or even will not expose you to the legal issue, but it is better to avoid buying such wallets, as it may be related to stealing things or hacking, and then you will be prosecuted as the culprit.

Claiming deductions that you are not entitled to, or reporting losses that you did not actually incur is a fraudulent claim and is considered tax evasion, and naturally, that's illegal.

I don't know about other countries but in the US, if you are audited you need to show transactions that prove that it was YOU who bought assets at the cost basis. I don't know if that is clear enough, not just that you have a record of those transactions but it was YOU who made them. Here is more on how cryptocurrency is taxed in the U.S. - https://www.moneyknack.com/post/44/crypto-taxes

That's regarding taxes. But be aware of a common scam which this may be a variation of.

In this type of scam, fraudsters claim to have a wallet with a large amount of cryptocurrency that they are unable to access or use, and they offer to give the wallet to someone else who can use it. When the unsuspecting victim adds their own funds to the wallet (to pay for gas fees for example to withdraw other tokens), they are actually sending their money to the scammer, who then drains the wallet using bots or other automated means.

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Quote from: ?? on ??

I do not know what are.you saying but you are saying that there is no details lease give us more details so that we might work.

AFAIK, he is trying to sell wallets that have lost money/deals during 2022 and therefore useful for those scammers who want to prove that they lost their money due to Luna or for tax evasion Since you incurred losses and therefore will not pay tax.

I do not know if what he is trying to present legally in all countries or even will not expose you to the legal issue, but it is better to avoid buying such wallets, as it may be related to stealing things or hacking, and then you will be prosecuted as the culprit.

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