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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 11, 2015, 03:10:14 AM

Quote from: panju1 on April 11, 2015, 01:21:12 AM

There is affirmative action for the Afro Americans because historically they have been discriminated against. By any stretch of imagination, you can't say that about Non-Hispanic Whites. So giving preference to Non-Hispanic Whites compared to Asian Americans is just plain silly.

Beyond a point, your CV and GPA are the only things which should count.

The people who suffered the most from discrimination were the American Indians (natives). They don't receive much of affirmative action. Also, you can't say that just because some group suffered discrimination 200 years ago, they have the right to discriminate others now.

I agree. My limited point was that Asian Americans should not be differentiated / discriminated against when compared to Whites just because they happen to be an affluent community.

Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 12:47:31 PM

Asian Americans might be smaller in population size, but they are doing much better in the US than any other ethnic group, including the Non-Hispanic Whites. The average median income of Asian Americans is much higher than that of the Non-Hispanic Whites.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 11, 2015, 03:10:14 AM

Quote from: panju1 on April 11, 2015, 01:21:12 AM

There is affirmative action for the Afro Americans because historically they have been discriminated against. By any stretch of imagination, you can't say that about Non-Hispanic Whites. So giving preference to Non-Hispanic Whites compared to Asian Americans is just plain silly.

Beyond a point, your CV and GPA are the only things which should count.

The people who suffered the most from discrimination were the American Indians (natives). They don't receive much of affirmative action. Also, you can't say that just because some group suffered discrimination 200 years ago, they have the right to discriminate others now.

(Red colorization mine.)

1. Martin Luther King, Jr. wasn’t alive "[two hundred] years ago” (bryant.coleman).

2. “[D]iscriminat[ion]” (bryant.coleman) could be construed as an expression of one’s freedom of (non-)assembly, (non-)association, and “speech” (i.e., expression).

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Quote from: panju1 on April 11, 2015, 01:21:12 AM

There is affirmative action for the Afro Americans because historically they have been discriminated against. By any stretch of imagination, you can't say that about Non-Hispanic Whites. So giving preference to Non-Hispanic Whites compared to Asian Americans is just plain silly.

Beyond a point, your CV and GPA are the only things which should count.

The people who suffered the most from discrimination were the American Indians (natives). They don't receive much of affirmative action. Also, you can't say that just because some group suffered discrimination 200 years ago, they have the right to discriminate others now.

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Quote from: panju1 on April 11, 2015, 01:21:12 AM

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There is affirmative action for the Afro Americans because historically they have been discriminated against. By any stretch of imagination, you can't say that about Non-Hispanic Whites. So giving preference to Non-Hispanic Whites compared to Asian Americans is just plain silly.

Beyond a point, your CV and GPA are the only things which should count.

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Caption: “Immigration statistics for the past year show that the influx of foreigners was the greatest in our history, and also that the hard working peasants are now being supplanted by the criminals and outlaws of all Europe.”

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Quote from: username18333 on February 26, 2015, 06:45:28 PM

Quote from: Daniel T. Gilbert, Patrick S. Malone. “The Correspondence Bias.” A.P.A., 215. 22. 26 Feb. 235. link=http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~dtg/Gilbert%20&%20Malone%20(CORRESPONDENCE%20BIAS).pdf

Attribution theory's fundamental distinction leads quite naturally to its fundamental rule: When a behavior occurs in the presence of a sufficiently strong, facilitative force, an observer should not infer that the actor is predisposed to perform that behavior. Just as one should not conclude that a balloon that rises on a windy day is filled with helium, one cannot make unequivocal inferences about the abilities of an athlete, the convictions of a politician, or the mental health of a student when poor lighting, a roomful of opinionated voters, or sudden bad news may have induced their behaviors. In other words, one should not explain with dispositions that which has already been explained by the situation. This logical rule was first formalized by Jones and Davis (1965) as the law of noncommon effects and later extended and codified by Kelley (1967) as the discounting principle, which warns observers not to attribute an effect to any one causal agent (e.g., a disposition) when another plausible causal agent (e.g., a situational force) is simultaneously present. In other words, when people do precisely what the physical environment or the social situation demands, dispositional inferences are logically unwarranted.

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Princeton has implemented an ad hoc “correction” for the varying upbringings of its prospective students.

Additionally, the U.S. government could be attempting to minimize the earnings of Chinese nationals.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 12:47:31 PM

Quote from: panju1 on April 10, 2015, 12:15:41 PM

This is insane. Asians require a higher score than whites to get in?
You are actually discriminating against a minority.

Asian Americans might be smaller in population size, but they are doing much better in the US than any other ethnic group, including the Non-Hispanic Whites. The average median income of Asian Americans is much higher than that of the Non-Hispanic Whites.

There is affirmative action for the Afro Americans because historically they have been discriminated against. By any stretch of imagination, you can't say that about Non-Hispanic Whites. So giving preference to Non-Hispanic Whites compared to Asian Americans is just plain silly.

Beyond a point, your CV and GPA are the only things which should count.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 11, 2015, 12:44:42 AM

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This is just ridiculous. If race is the most important criteria for medical school admissions, then why we are even having MCAT and all that? Just admit them based on the race. This will destroy the American medical system, which is already under pressure from insurers and pharma cartels.

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1. Had one of one “Black” been admitted, that would have been an acceptance rate of 100.0%.

2. If the schools should succeed in educating their students, “the American medical system” (bryant.coleman) should not so falter.

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This is just ridiculous. If race is the most important criteria for medical school admissions, then why we are even having MCAT and all that? Just admit them based on the race. This will destroy the American medical system, which is already under pressure from insurers and pharma cartels.

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Quote from: Lethn on April 10, 2015, 03:45:08 PM

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That doesn't make it a good thing I hope you realise, it's also incredibly condascending to the people on the receiving end of the preferencial treatment because they're practically saying if you're a certain race you're too stupid to get in and need some help which is racist in itself.

By the way guys, this is what racism actually is, it's not about just saying a few words about a group of people, that's called racial stereotyping.

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Quote from: username18333 on February 26, 2015, 06:45:28 PM

Quote from: Daniel T. Gilbert, Patrick S. Malone. “The Correspondence Bias.” A.P.A., 215. 22. 26 Feb. 235. link=http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~dtg/Gilbert%20&%20Malone%20(CORRESPONDENCE%20BIAS).pdf

Attribution theory's fundamental distinction leads quite naturally to its fundamental rule: When a behavior occurs in the presence of a sufficiently strong, facilitative force, an observer should not infer that the actor is predisposed to perform that behavior. Just as one should not conclude that a balloon that rises on a windy day is filled with helium, one cannot make unequivocal inferences about the abilities of an athlete, the convictions of a politician, or the mental health of a student when poor lighting, a roomful of opinionated voters, or sudden bad news may have induced their behaviors. In other words, one should not explain with dispositions that which has already been explained by the situation. This logical rule was first formalized by Jones and Davis (1965) as the law of noncommon effects and later extended and codified by Kelley (1967) as the discounting principle, which warns observers not to attribute an effect to any one causal agent (e.g., a disposition) when another plausible causal agent (e.g., a situational force) is simultaneously present. In other words, when people do precisely what the physical environment or the social situation demands, dispositional inferences are logically unwarranted.

(Red colorization mine.)

Princeton has implemented an ad hoc “correction” for the varying upbringings of its prospective students.

“[T]hey’re practically saying” (Lethn) that one ought not suffer academic mediocrity for the constitution of its “birth culture.”

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 10, 2015, 12:47:31 PM

Quote from: panju1 on April 10, 2015, 12:15:41 PM

This is insane. Asians require a higher score than whites to get in?
You are actually discriminating against a minority.

Asian Americans might be smaller in population size, but they are doing much better in the US than any other ethnic group, including the Non-Hispanic Whites. The average median income of Asian Americans is much higher than that of the Non-Hispanic Whites.

That doesn't make it a good thing I hope you realise, it's also incredibly condascending to the people on the receiving end of the preferencial treatment because they're practically saying if you're a certain race you're too stupid to get in and need some help which is racist in itself.

By the way guys, this is what racism actually is, it's not about just saying a few words about a group of people, that's called racial stereotyping.

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Quote from: panju1 on April 10, 2015, 12:15:41 PM

This is insane. Asians require a higher score than whites to get in?
You are actually discriminating against a minority.

Asian Americans might be smaller in population size, but they are doing much better in the US than any other ethnic group, including the Non-Hispanic Whites. The average median income of Asian Americans is much higher than that of the Non-Hispanic Whites.

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Quote from: saddampbuh on April 10, 2015, 11:51:18 AM

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African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.
She points to the second column.
“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”
The last column draws gasps.
Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.
“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

This is insane. Asians require a higher score than whites to get in?
You are actually discriminating against a minority.

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Quote from: Sugarape on April 10, 2015, 08:48:22 AM

That's what I thought and what I found surprising about this story. there's probably more Asian doctors than there is black ones. There is in my country at least so I'm surprised he felt he had to do this. Maybe he just got it wrong?

called affirmative action. less qualified blacks often get university places and jobs over whites need to be punished for slavery and now asians and orientals apparently have white privilege too (or something like that)

http://www.dailystormer.com/princeton-university-gives-bonus-sat-points-to-blacks-and-latinos-penalizes-asians/

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African Americans received a “bonus” of 230 points, Lee says.
She points to the second column.
“Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points.”
The last column draws gasps.
Asian Americans, Lee says, are penalized by 50 points — in other words, they had to do that much better to win admission.
“Do Asians need higher test scores? Is it harder for Asians to get into college? The answer is yes,” Lee says.

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Quote from: panju1 on April 09, 2015, 11:56:33 AM

Quote from: Enfield on April 09, 2015, 08:05:50 AM

Quote from: chennan on April 07, 2015, 09:43:39 PM

The story is funny. Different race has different treatment.The good news is that the status of black are improved a lot.

I found the story hilarious when I read it the other day. Since when is being black a benefit in America? I would have thought it would be easier for an Asian to get in than and African to be honest.

Lold.

Asians are probably one of the most well-off minorities in the US.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are right up there with the Caucasians.

That's what I thought and what I found surprising about this story. there's probably more Asian doctors than there is black ones. There is in my country at least so I'm surprised he felt he had to do this. Maybe he just got it wrong?

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Quote from: panju1 on April 09, 2015, 10:29:56 PM

Not well-off Asians, but well-qualified Asians. It has primarily been working professionals - Doctors and Engineers who have migrated to the US. Naturally, they tend to do well once they are there.

I'd still stick to the term "well-off", rather than "well-qualified". Recently I was reading an article, according to which rich Chinese are producing anchor babies at a rate of around 10,000 per year, so that eventually they will be granted with US green cards. Most of them are not that qualified. But none of them have any issues in splurging $25,000 to $75,000 in order to cover the expenses.

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Oh good

I spent some of my Bitcoins though just to be safe -_- Cheesy

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Quote from: Lethn on April 09, 2015, 08:11:37 AM

The evidence is right there, it's just some people like to stay in absolute denial about it, also in regards to Asians, I guess depending on which asians they actually come from comparitavely richer continents so they don't fit the racial stereotype of the poor discriminated black man that needs the help of a white Aristocracy.

...... Wow... Did I just have [an] [anarchist communist] style rant then?

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Quote from: Peter Kropotkin. "Anarchist Communism: Its Basis and Principles." _Kropotkin's Revolutionary Pamphlets_. Ed. Roger N. Baldwin. Vangaurd Press, 1927. Web. 10 Apr. 2015.

Anarchism, the no-government system of socialism, has a double origin. It is an outgrowth of the two great movements of thought in the economic and the political fields which characterize the nineteenth century, and especially its second part. In common with all socialists, the anarchists hold that the private ownership of land, capital, and machinery has had its time; that it is condemned to disappear; and that all requisites for production must, and will, become the common property of society, and be managed in common by the producers of wealth. And in common with the most advanced representatives of political radicalism, they maintain that the ideal of the political organization of society is a condition of things where the functions of government are reduced to a minimum, and the individual recovers his full liberty of initiative and action for satisfying, by means of free groups and federations--freely constituted--all the infinitely varied needs of the human being.

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No, you didn't say anything about the extinction of government and private ownership.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on April 09, 2015, 12:18:27 PM

Quote from: panju1 on April 09, 2015, 11:56:33 AM

Asians are probably one of the most well-off minorities in the US.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are right up there with the Caucasians.

That is because only the well-off Asians can afford to migrate to the US. Unlike the Mexicans, they can't cross the border illegally and then claim residency by producing a dozen anchor babies. Grin

Not well-off Asians, but well-qualified Asians. It has primarily been working professionals - Doctors and Engineers who have migrated to the US. Naturally, they tend to do well once they are there.

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Quote from: panju1 on April 09, 2015, 11:56:33 AM

Asians are probably one of the most well-off minorities in the US.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are right up there with the Caucasians.

That is because only the well-off Asians can afford to migrate to the US. Unlike the Mexicans, they can't cross the border illegally and then claim residency by producing a dozen anchor babies. Grin

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Quote from: Enfield on April 09, 2015, 08:05:50 AM

Quote from: chennan on April 07, 2015, 09:43:39 PM

The story is funny. Different race has different treatment.The good news is that the status of black are improved a lot.

I found the story hilarious when I read it the other day. Since when is being black a benefit in America? I would have thought it would be easier for an Asian to get in than and African to be honest.

Lold.

Asians are probably one of the most well-off minorities in the US.
I wouldn't be surprised if they are right up there with the Caucasians.

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The evidence is right there, it's just some people like to stay in absolute denial about it, also in regards to Asians, I guess depending on which asians they actually come from comparitavely richer continents so they don't fit the racial stereotype of the poor discriminated black man that needs the help of a white Aristocracy.

...... Wow... Did I just have a Anarcho-communist style rant then?

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