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Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

Hi, why is the bitcoin price increase or decrease seemingly attributed to economic issues of the day? A recent headline said Biden's trillion dollar package caused the price to hit 60k+. Surely bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand isn't it?
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All investment market is based on the economy, especially the Cryptocurrency market, where institutions and companies are now investing in the Cryptocurrency market, they can now create demand, pumps, and drops it has become the playground of big companies, very much different 5 years ago when even a group of small traders can make an impact in the market.

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Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

why is the bitcoin price increase or decrease seemingly attributed to economic issues of the day? A recent headline said Biden's trillion dollar package caused the price to hit 60k+. Surely bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand isn't it?

Simply the supply of bitcoin will never get affected by economic issues of our day to day life but demand is not like that. When either one of supply or demand is getting affected that will definitely result in changes in bitcoin price levels. This is what exactly happening with every commodity and every commodity is getting its value because of changes in its supply and demand and bitcoin cannot be an exception.

In other words, when an economic issue is affecting people in a way like they will be left with excess money then demand for bitcoin will increase and the vice versa also will be right. So, we must understand that the economic issues are the actual movers of bitcoin prices.

Agreed! and we can not avoid that changes in the supply and demand part but it is really up to us holders whether we would like the prize to go up or down, we can relatively doesn't have control over it because we all have different views on what are we going to do with our hold cryptocurrency

Simply a person with weak hands would burn from the raging sea of fire if he would sell on early but for hodlers that have patients in waiting there can be a special treat for all of us.

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Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

why is the bitcoin price increase or decrease seemingly attributed to economic issues of the day? A recent headline said Biden's trillion dollar package caused the price to hit 60k+. Surely bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand isn't it?

Simply the supply of bitcoin will never get affected by economic issues of our day to day life but demand is not like that. When either one of supply or demand is getting affected that will definitely result in changes in bitcoin price levels. This is what exactly happening with every commodity and every commodity is getting its value because of changes in its supply and demand and bitcoin cannot be an exception.

In other words, when an economic issue is affecting people in a way like they will be left with excess money then demand for bitcoin will increase and the vice versa also will be right. So, we must understand that the economic issues are the actual movers of bitcoin prices.

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Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

Hi, why is the bitcoin price increase or decrease seemingly attributed to economic issues of the day? A recent headline said Biden's trillion dollar package caused the price to hit 60k+. Surely bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand isn't it?
Thanks.

Because People inside crypto is also a people that spend the currency/fiat so they are all affected in what is happening outside this market.

But we see how functional Crypto is when the major crisis like Pandemic happens people turns towards this market for assurance , things that they did not see in banks.

Quote from: Zemomtum on March 26, 2021, 10:58:50 PM

BTC is volatile and most often been driven by fundamental news and technical. You need to get acquainted with this and follow influential that knows what they are talking about

You must have trusted this first before you will finally admit what can come in your way either losing or gaining.

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The demand for Bitcoin can increase, there must be a reason, there can be many factors that make the demand for Bitcoin increase. Why these
recent economic issues could trigger an increase in Bitcoin, is because the economic issue associated with the stimulus checks. Because most
recipients of this stimulus checks use to buy Bitcoin, this is what ultimately makes the demand for Bitcoin increase. So not all economic issues
can make demand for Bitcoin increase, we must first look at its relation to Bitcoin.

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Quote from: aioc on March 27, 2021, 02:36:23 AM

Before the market could have demand, there should be trust first, trust is everything in Cryptocurrency, you are buying because of the trust, so far Bitcoin and other top Cryptocurrency are enjoying the trust from investors and traders and, that is why Bitcoin is setting up new all-time high records one after the other.

Trust only in the network and the code that secures it, not trust in anything else like the project's intentions (which if you actually believe is not for profit then you probably deserve to get scammed).

Trust not in the words and hopes of others who tell you you will get rich.

Trust in Bitcoin being secure for a long time and even more so in the future.

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Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

Hi, why is the bitcoin price increase or decrease seemingly attributed to economic issues of the day? A recent headline said Biden's trillion dollar package caused the price to hit 60k+. Surely bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand isn't it?
Thanks.

Before the market could have demand, there should be trust first, trust is everything in Cryptocurrency, you are buying because of the trust, so far Bitcoin and other top Cryptocurrency are enjoying the trust from investors and traders and, that is why Bitcoin is setting up new all-time high records one after the other.

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People want to make a profit from bitcoin, and that makes the price change every day.
So far, the interest for people to buy bitcoin still high, and even if the price is too high for them, they are trying to buy bitcoin, although that means they could only buy bitcoin with a little money depending on the money they had.
So bitcoin is dependent on supply and demand at the market, so the price moves from a lower to a higher price, and the higher price goes back to the lower price.
If a good news release can trigger a good sentiment in the market and people will start to buy bitcoin, the price starts to increase. If a bad news release, people do not want to lose too much, so they start to sell some bitcoin while they want to buy back again if the price reaches a low price.

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News is part of the picture and helps form sentiment in price but thats largely related to speculation and the frothy top prices to BTC. Its probably actually more profitable to pay attention to the base price or lows that BTC forms and the trend there but thats also quite a boring picture formed over years. Economics, trade deficits, fiscal budgets and monetary policy are relevant to dollar strength which will relate to a dollar price but I think ultimately BTC isnt about dollar specifically, FIAT perhaps but it has to make its own progress and justify itself with efficiency lacking elsewhere.

At present with dollar lame and limping with constant new supply its a poor definition of progress for Bitcoin. People who write finance news do this across the entire industry, its free association and I presume raises views by including those who are already aware of other subjects.

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bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand

Depends how you define that, quite a few will speculate on the price purely and never use the Bitcoin. BTC resembles something of a commodity with global clearance and fixed supply, most commodities can increase production so this one spikes alot more but I also think its dangerous to ignore how many hold without actual usage.

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BTC is volatile and most often been driven by fundamental news and technical. You need to get acquainted with this and follow influential that knows what they are talking about

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Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

Hi, why is the bitcoin price increase or decrease seemingly attributed to economic issues of the day? A recent headline said Biden's trillion dollar package caused the price to hit 60k+. Surely bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand isn't it?
Thanks.

There is something that I have learned from the market through experience, when the important movements of Bitcoin occur, whether up or down, there will always be news to support the reason why it fell or rose, but never the price of Bitcoin you will instantly react to news unless it is a Fundamental.

Many times people when they trade based on news tend to fail. If the price of Bitcoin obeyed each news it would be something impossible, the only way that it can obey a news is a fundamental, as for example in 2020 the covid-19, the price of Bitcoin fell abruptly, only in that way is it possible.

There are reasons that are very difficult to determine, according to Jesse Livermore, one of the reasons is because of the Strong Hands' plans, which is due to plans that have been managed for months, and that is why they decide to make Short or try the offer by raising the price.

Another factor is emotions, emotions are an important factor, for me it is the second reason why the market moves. And the other reason is human, that is, if a Strong Hands or whale needs money, what it does is sell, which is unlikely, but the option is latent.

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Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

Hi, why is the bitcoin price increase or decrease seemingly attributed to economic issues of the day? A recent headline said Biden's trillion dollar package caused the price to hit 60k+. Surely bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand isn't it?
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Yeah surely pure based on demand and supply, but for people who have lots of money they maybe we can say that they can control a certain% of price. Even so, they can't fully control the price and back to the first rules, Demand and Supply. Scarcity is also an important side of bitcoin

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It is true that Bitcoin does move based on supply and demand, but to increase demand for Bitcoin, various factors are needed. Such as the stimulus
checks provided by the American government, Tesla who invests in Bitcoin, Elon Musk tweets about Bitcoin and others that can make demand for
Bitcoin increase. Whatever positive news about Bitcoin can increase demand for Bitcoin, therefore there is no need to be confused by the drastic
increase in Bitcoin. There must be a trigger factor that causes demand for Bitcoin to increase and ultimately can make the Bitcoin price rise.

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Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

Hi, why is the bitcoin price increase or decrease seemingly attributed to economic issues of the day? A recent headline said Biden's trillion dollar package caused the price to hit 60k+. Surely bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand isn't it?
Thanks.

Several factors could really affect the market.

1. Supply and demand
2. Fundamentals
3. Unknown movements from whales behind
4. Shills specially from known personalities or companies
5. Politics
etc.

As a crypto enthusiast then you should know on how to take stance with these kind of situations.

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Quote from: Wilhelm on March 14, 2021, 05:13:15 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on March 14, 2021, 04:22:18 PM

On the one hand, this is so, on the other hand, the United States is one of the leading economies in the world and its influence on any processes is much greater than any country from the second hundred, isn't it?

As for the questions of the author of the topic about supply and demand, it must be clarified that we are always talking about effective demand. And everything immediately becomes clear

The European union apparently has a bigger economy than the USA.
Taking into account all countries that are not the USA, I can say that the USA could be a big influence but they don't dominate BTC in any meaningful way IMO.

That said I don't believe the stimulus check will be more than a short lived blip on the bitcoin chart

In order to launch the price into space, it is not necessary to dominate among the large players - the main thing is that other players act at least not against you. I have not heard anything about the sale of bitcoins in Europe Wink

By the way, it's rather funny that the news of such a large economic entity as Tesla about the sale of cars for bitcoins did not lead to any positive effect on the market.

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Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

Hi, why is the bitcoin price increase or decrease seemingly attributed to economic issues of the day? A recent headline said Biden's trillion dollar package caused the price to hit 60k+. Surely bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand isn't it?
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Everything is based on the supply and demand theory. Hence, bitcoin is absolutely driven by the supply//demand theory. There are people who want to buy bitcoin and others who want to sell bitcoin. And it is precise that those who want to obtain bitcoin has a stronger force and they continue to maintain the uptrend with their money

And as bitcoin becomes bigger every day, it has now played an important role in the global economy. Money that is put into bitcoin strengthens the internet and makes many people become wealthier.

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Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

Hi, why is the bitcoin price increase or decrease...

Law of supply and demand, speculation, fundamentals and sentiments of the investors are some of the factors that are driving the price of Bitcoin increase or decrease.

Quote from: shoemanpete on March 14, 2021, 08:43:55 AM

A recent headline said Biden's trillion dollar package caused the price to hit 60k+. Surely bitcoin is purely based on supply and demand isn't it?
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I don't think that it really is the reason towards Bitcoin hitting $60,000 but the sentiments of the investors towards that news made it go up. They believe that it might be a good time to buy since money has been distributed to these Americans and thought that most of them will invest it into cryptocurrency.

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I don't believe Biden's trillion-dollar package helps Bitcoin to touch 60K+. I believe BTC is gaining popularity thus demand is also increasing and that's the reason for the price increase. Yes, I also believe bitcoin purely runs on the Demand and supply concept as we all know the supply is limited so the price is increasing accordingly, and I hope it will continue to rise whether there will be any stimulus package or not.

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Quote from: Stalker22 on March 15, 2021, 01:35:19 PM

Quote from: Wilhelm on March 14, 2021, 06:22:15 PM

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Quote from: Wilhelm on March 14, 2021, 04:03:19 PM

BTC is worldwide not only US.
There will always be news that you can correlate. Doesn't make it true...

That is true but it should be taken into account that US dollar is the strongest and the most traded and used currency in the world. It also holds the status of the world's main reserve currency and is held by many central and commercial banks around the world.

Yup but that doesn’t really say anything about the influence of the stimulus on BTC.

Well, I'm not even close to being an expert, so this is all pure speculation, but I think it might to some extent.

Take this news article from The Financial Times, for example: Biden’s stimulus will affect the whole world

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For advanced economies, which borrow in their own currencies, the implications of faster growth in the US is almost entirely positive — increasing potential exports as well as encouraging the “risk on” sentiment that boosts investment.

Obviously the markets got the message, and made merry. Stocks rose, but so did gold and crypto.

Then I’m the only one that is seeing bitcoin going from 60k back to 56k Wink

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Quote from: Wilhelm on March 14, 2021, 06:22:15 PM

Quote from: Stalker22 on March 14, 2021, 06:02:27 PM

Quote from: Wilhelm on March 14, 2021, 04:03:19 PM

BTC is worldwide not only US.
There will always be news that you can correlate. Doesn't make it true...

That is true but it should be taken into account that US dollar is the strongest and the most traded and used currency in the world. It also holds the status of the world's main reserve currency and is held by many central and commercial banks around the world.

Yup but that doesn’t really say anything about the influence of the stimulus on BTC.

Well, I'm not even close to being an expert, so this is all pure speculation, but I think it might to some extent.

Take this news article from The Financial Times, for example: Biden’s stimulus will affect the whole world

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For advanced economies, which borrow in their own currencies, the implications of faster growth in the US is almost entirely positive — increasing potential exports as well as encouraging the “risk on” sentiment that boosts investment.

Obviously the markets got the message, and made merry. Stocks rose, but so did gold and crypto.

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