Topic: [WARNING] Avoid 4444sport.com until they change their behavior (Read 681 times)

Looks like a late Christmas gift for the scam hunters of bitcointalk.

But just like any other scammer on the internet, they will change names and possibly continue to run another site at which point someone again will call them out and they will run away with their tails between their legs. Till then be vigilant for similar looking sites and always be careful about Self-modded ANNs.

BTW did anyone try to report their domain name to the domain register (NameCheap) for being a fraudulent website? It can be worth a try.

Don't know who locked their self-moderated thread, but I believe OP (4444sport.com) has done it. I just tried to access the platform after watching this post. And I noticed that the website isn't reachable. Probably they have failed to continue their scam attempt for more long. Because, they were caught and tagged by the forum members for their unusual (fraudulent) activity. Thanks to everyone who posted negative feedback on their trust page and supported the flag.

this is from his thread:

" This is a self-moderated topic. If you do not want to be moderated by the person who started this topic, create a new topic. (69 posts by 21 users with 1 merit deleted.) "

the number keeps rising, and I still haven't seen anyone say that @4444sport.com has solved his problem, so I see the number of people being deceived by this site is also increasing

Not only will they delete complaints, but any comments that do not go in their favor, and even legitimate questions from respectable members. Clearly, they want to use this forum solely for their promotion to lure innocent victims to indulge in their scam.

I made a post in the thread of this casino that is being accused, my post was to ask him not to delete posts from people who are complaining about his service and that he strive to solve customer problems. but he deleted my post, with that you can say that his intention is not to provide good service, he will delete any complaints that are made against his casino, typical scammer behavior

This will take the true essence of the forum if they do that although its really bad to see those scamming keep happening here, but we will not get scammed if we are knowledgeable that's why we need to do research on lot of things especially we are new to the platform since we cannot trust anything online and its easy for scammers to flew away if they want to execute their crime here. I'd suggest for others old or new to stay only on reputable casinos since most of scamming issues with no chance of getting help is made by new casinos or sites.

The fact that the forum does not moderate scam make it's easy for the scammy sites to pop up once in a while and the best we could do is to expose them and warn members of the forum of the dubious character of stealing from their customers. I believe in a short while from now 4444sport will fade away from this forum.

Right. I had the same experience on their ANN Thread. After this accusation was made, I go there to see what's going on. After that, I leave my honest thoughts there and I expected a reply from their representative. Hehe, After a few hours, I got a PM and saw my post was deleted by 4444sports.
Anyways, The bad thing is forums do not moderate scams. But they allow creating self-moderated threads for financial services like Gambling, Exchangers. So, This forum becomes scam heaven for those scammers. They don't care about what people say. They keep deleting negative posts or any healthy criticism. That was supposed to defend by them but they don't care about it. I think Bitcointalk should make a change there. Since they don't moderate scams, They shouldn't allow financial services to create a self-moderated thread.

Since this 4444sport.com posted their thread mentioned by OP here, I feel kind of suspicious to them since they created a self-moderated one. They said that a lot of users are posting off-topics and spams, but the truth was those users was just trying to help clear some issues out. But the 4444 eventually deleted those posts, I also tried asking about it, but also got deleted by them.
I wouldn't dare putting any amount of money on casinos that makes them self appear clear to the community even if they're not.

abe paid scammers advertising 1hbet and adkinsbet your place is the least for prison.but the better option is with adkinsbet to end up like Tony.if this pig Adkinsbet accepts users from the US FBI will quickly see his bill 

I guess I would prefer you to admit that you have been drugged, drunk, or have some kind of mental illness, rather than imagining that you wrote this with full awareness of what it means.

Yes I first asked them a normal question and I participated in their fake competition, but I received no answer from them, they didn't pay anything and announce winners, and they are just ignoring everything.

One more suspicion has been raised against this casino. I just noticed that a member notblox1 left a negative trust on their profile due to suspicion that they were organizing a fake competition on the forum.

https://www.casino.org/news/body-of-online-bookmaker-5dimes-tony-found-in-costa-rica-cemetery/
I hope Adkinsbet ends up like Tony 

Adkinsbet will not pay anyone. He only collects deposits. And he no longer bothers to invent nonsense why he will not pay. Very impudent and disgusting type

Now there are 2 other players who are still waiting for their withdrawal although they requested more than a week ago.



Will all these pending withdrawal ended by the same accusation against the players like what 4444sports did against brassnuts?
I guess there are still some others pending withdrawals on 4444sports but not all of them report it in this forum.

Hello everyone

Just wanted to thank op and other users who decided to act and help community to recognise/stay away from scam bookies

I had history witn numbers of them, and now trying to keep an open eye whenever new bookies show up, yet I believe it would be good that this forum has some kind of regulative body or smth which would prevent advertisements or any other misleading activities from any sportsbook/casino which behaves unfair

Best regards

After creating their new ANN thread they haven't made any communication with him. younger41 got the last reply from 4444sport.com on 2nd December. And they said

This was the last post in their old thread by the OP. younger41 made 3 post in their self-moderated thread and all of those got deleted by 4444sport.com. He made a post today and said that

There is no reason to keep the participants in waiting. Because, all those games ended with clear result on December 5. Moreover, few forum members has asked them to post the winner list. They have ignore the question, where they are active to delete the complains from their self-moderated thread. BTW, 4444sport had run another contest earlier and they haven't posted the winner list of that contest too.

I'm reluctant to jump on the negative trust bandwagon based on a single complaint by you, and I'm still reluctant even with what you wrote above--and I'm not convinced yet that 4444sport is actually AdkinsBET, because I haven't seen any hard evidence, only similarities between the two (though if I had to guess, I'd have to say they're one and the same just based on the fact that I've seen that pattern of behavior before with scamming sites).  Should there be any more complaints about these guys, I'll be happy to support the flag and give them a red paint job.

Was there any communication between younger41 and 4444sport about the delay of his funds being returned or did they completely ignore him?

That's a secondary problem, IMO, but a real one.  Unfortunately scams have always been tolerated here by Theymos (and by extension, the moderators).  It'd be great if self-moderated threads weren't allowed in the gambling section, but I wouldn't get my hopes up about that being changed.  I think they're not allowed in the Auctions and/or Currency Exchange section(s), so it is kind of odd that a scammer could moderate his own thread in any section that allows an ANN.

That's an odd thread.  They don't say when the contest is going to end or when the winner will be paid or even if the winner will be announced (which they haven't been so far).  That does add to the growing pile of evidence in my head that this outfit is a scammy one.

Do you have evidence of that?  Did you start a scam accusation thread?  If you do, please post it.  I'm itching to neg these guys, and one more claim of nonpayment will put me over the edge.

Oh, I think it's entirely appropriate to crib about how the forum is.  It's a two-way street, isn't it?  Without the community there would be no forum, and without the forum there would be no community.  In addition to that, there is a DT list which presumably is a group of members whose trust and perhaps even opinions are valued by Theymos and the community, so shouldn't they have at least a little input as to changes they think should be made?  Hell, I think even non-DT members ought to have a say--and to be heard.

There's very little to debate now with regards to 4444.

Every user who has posted about their experiences there has, quite simply, had their money stolen.

The only other known interaction with 4444 is in this thread, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/4444sportcom-prediction-challenge-1000-weekly-reward-round-2-5373889, where once again they have failed to pay anything at all.

their gambling site is currently facing similar complaints from other gamblers and they currently have an active flag against them. would you mind sharing more information or evidence(screenshot or anything suggesting that they are not paying) regarding your issue? I am not saying that you are lying but evidence would help other members to decide whether to support you or not.

They are not paying and replying to my messages in 6 days. 185 euro payout...

This looks very much like behavior you would expect to see from some scammer, and they created new self-moderated topic only after one or more users complained how they can't withdraw coins from their website.
I don't know if they are really connected with adkinsbet or any other website but ther behavior is very shady so I am supporting the flag and I would suggest everyone to stay away from 4444sport website.

A month has passed since 4444sport joined the forum and started their first ANN thread. As of this writing, there have been no confirmed withdrawals from 4444sport, and several complaints are still unresolved. Although there are no open scam accusations against the casino yet, I support the flag based on their attitude towards the community and excessive censorship in their self-moderated thread. The casino has all the hallmarks of a scam so I don't recommend anyone to gamble there.

Self-moderated ANNs should not be allowed in the forum is what I would say. But we all have to accept what the forum administration gives us and not crib about it.

It is so easy nowadays to create such a thread and only censor the posts that speak up against the same saying that it is trolling/offtopic. But we have our own method to call them out here on the alloted section and it is also nice to see users decide on it.

Good job on @Mahdirakib for making this thread, been following it for the last few days waiting for someone to make a flag and @logfiles got posting the flag. Flag has been supported, hoping more DT to take action too.

After reading through all the deleted posts, I decided to tag and flag them. If they don't want any complaints, then they shouldn't open any thread at all in the forum.

Someone complains about their delayed withdrawal, and then they have the audacity to delete the post instead of addressing the issue. Seriously?
That's what scammers always do. Not legitimate casinos.

Please support the flag Type 1: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2885
@Mahdirakib, you can add the flag to the OP.

As they claim to delete only off-topic, trolling, and spam posts, I decided to look into it further.
These are the posts that have been removed from their topic so far, whether they were trolling or spam, decide for yourself:

The fact that they have already erased a handful of negative reviews on the self-moderated thread says a lot about the website, and the fact that they have already been tagged by DT members sends a strong message to users who want to play their to play it with caution or never play at all.

clear evidence of fraud has not yet been presented here. I guess their thread will still open and there is no reason for mods to lock or delete it.
OP noticed it well and a self-moderated topic is not exactly the best choice for communicating with your customers. I mean users from whom that casino should make money.
Currently, there are #36 posts and at the same time, 32 posts by 14 users with 1 merit deleted. more than obvious censorship.

btw. I am curious, in addition to many casinos with a solid reputation, why do people bother with poor casinos like 4444sport?

Yes i know that there is no specifics that a self moderate thread cannot be created on the gambling board. My point is, if a gambling website is open moderate thread Then the community members will take a stand against that website because the creation of such a thread will not have any value in the opinion of the community members, which other gamblers should have been aware of. And that's why I said these threads are not allowed in the gambling section.

The thread is still open and 90% of posts are still being deleted because they are all negative. It's crazy that this can go on.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/4444sportcom-sports-live-betting-10000-daily-events-5375271

Clearly they are trying to scam the bettors. If not then they would continue with their old thread. Until now they (4444sport.com) have deleted 26 posts of 12 users. And most of those posts was related with the issues of the platform, not off topic.

Self-moderated thread isn't the main issue here. Many casino has launched without self-moderated thread and ended as scam site. Casino manager or admin gets negative feedback when someone post an accusation against them with proper proof. And this is the actual way to determine a scam casino. BTW, you can see all the replies (including deleted post) of a self-moderated thread by using Ninjastic.space.

I haven't seen any rules like that. theymos said


Anyway, some casinos are running for a long time with self-moderated thread and they have enough reputation now. A small number of posts were deleted in those self-moderated thread, and all of those posts were related to trolling. FortuneJack, Bitcasino, Betcoin and PlayBetr is a great example of reputable betting sites with self-moderated thread.

If there is a written rule regarding these terms, I will report it. I also got a notification inbox that my post was deleted. I think that user is now starting to annoy everyone. Obviously, the OP would easily delete posts against that thread, including the scam warning. This cannot be allowed.

Self moderated thread is not allowed in gambling section. So even if they try to open a self moderate thread and show their reputation only positively, then that is their misconception. Because they can't keep their thread this way, the moderator will remove that thread. And by creating a shill account and making positive comments, they will be able to go further, because real victims will also share their bad experiences in that thread so that it will be easier for gamblers to make a decision.

So since they can't just show their positive side, they have locked the thread.

I've just seen this thread. Thanks for making it and trying to help keep the community aware of this site.

For what it's worth, 4444 have not communicated with me in any way since about 5 or 6 days ago when they said they were 'verifying' my bets. Since then any attempt at communication is either ignored or just deleted.

There are still no confirmed withdrawals from the site, nor do I expect there to be. It's possible they may process very small withdrawals to create the illusion that they're legitimate so people should be aware of that.

The only other user who has posted about an experience at 4444, either positive or negative, is 'younger41', and they were told their bets were voided and his deposit would be returned. This was a week ago but no deposit has returned.

The bigger issue is that this forum enables this scam behaviour, and the gambling forum is in effect a relative haven for crypto betting scammers. They can self moderate threads to make unaware people think the site is having no complaints. I imagine if a few shills post positive experiences on their thread then they look like a great site to play at, when in reality no one is getting their money back if they win anything. Surely the ability to remove self moderation is a possibility, but it may be the case that the mods of that board are monetising by taking fees to allow self moderating threads. There is no good reason why a site with no reputation, or even worse a terrible reputation, should be allowed to have a self moderated thread. It's very simple to stop this behaviour, yet it is allowed to continue.

Self moderated thread in gambling section? I guess I have missed their announcement. This sounds awkward; must be a scam attempt. AFAIRA, this website have some similarity with the scam website adkinsbet; both were trying to get some sign up through a nice giveaway. It more sounds like scam attempt now. People should stay away.

What happened:
The platform made their first announcement thread in this forum on November 8, 2021. And they locked the ANN thread on December 2, 2021 by saying this

However, it seems like they have locked their first ANN thread as many people were saying that 4444sport have connection with scam AdkinsBET. Though there isn't any valid proof of it, but they are acting like AdkinsBET. They (AdkinsBET) had also created a self-moderated thread after locking the first ANN thread and deleted those posts which was against them. 4444sport doing the same thing now by creating a self-moderated thread.

Beside that, some users was complaining about the withdrawal delays. 4444sport.com is delaying the withdrawal of ‘brassnuts’, Already 1 week has been passed and they haven't paid him yet. 4444sport.com has deleted all the post of ‘brassnuts’ in their self-moderated thread except this one. As a result, he (brassnuts) created a topic about it in the gambling section: Self Moderated Thread for New Books

Suspects Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/4444sportcom-3404161

Note: I haven't made any post in their ANN but I was observing their activity since last few days. They have already received two negative feedbacks for running a self-moderated thread and for not paying the users.

Edit: Based on this accusation, a type 1 flag has been created by ‘logfiles’ against 4444sport.com. If you think they are showing wrong attitude and trying to scam users (already scamming) then support the flag

Support flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;flag=2885