Looks like I might be right about them being the same as Adkinsbet.
Why would they send me PM with bonus offer otherwise, without me writing anything in their thread.
Topic: Self Moderated Thread for New Books (Read 735 times)
I wonder if any of the delayed/declined withdrawals that they said they would fix actually got fixed.
I doubt it since I haven't seen a single report of someone withdrawing money from their casino since the day they created their first ANN on this forum. It appears they have been aiming for a get-rich-quick scam from the very beginning.
anyway, I'm glad they closed. when they created their moderated thread and started deleting any post is not in favor of their website. it was a clear indication that the website should be avoided. at the start, I actually thought that they'd fix the issues when someone complained but instead, they doubled down and made everything worse.
Indeed. That's exactly what I had in mind.
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I wonder if any of the delayed/declined withdrawals that they said they would fix actually got fixed. anyway, I'm glad they closed. when they created their moderated thread and started deleting any post is not in favor of their website. it was a clear indication that the website should be avoided. at the start, I actually thought that they'd fix the issues when someone complained but instead, they doubled down and made everything worse.
They closed their thread and left the forum?
Yeah it has gone, seems that the admin is giving up and have no better way to build their reputation or maybe the main purpose of creating the website is indeed to scam few hundred/thousand dollars.
Although it has gone, but we should be careful as they may come back with different name.
I hope there were not many victims scammed by this new bookie.
They closed their thread and left the forum?
It looks like that. They have closed their thread and have shut down the website.
It appears that the scammers' attempt has not met with much success this time. Let's hope it stays that way.
They closed their thread and left the forum?
To me, a new bookie having a self-moderated ANN thread is a sign of incompetence and attempt to scam, because their will most likely delete any complaints against them so to be a self-moderated thread is a bad sign.
Starting a self moderated is not the problem, the problem is how the thread creator use it. It is fine to create self moderated thread as long as the creator use it wisely, to delete spams, FUD, or baseless accusation. However, if the creator use it to delete valid complaints, feedback or any post they wish because they do not like it, it is obvious sign of unprofessionalism.
To me, a new bookie having a self-moderated ANN thread is a sign of incompetence and attempt to scam, because their will most likely delete any complaints against them so to be a self-moderated thread is a bad sign.
Starting a self moderated is not the problem, the problem is how the thread creator use it. It is fine to create self moderated thread as long as the creator use it wisely, to delete spams, FUD, or baseless accusation. However, if the creator use it to delete valid complaints, feedback or any post they wish because they do not like it, it is obvious sign of unprofessionalism.
The obvious problem with this system is that so many cryptocurrency betting sites are just scams. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Perhaps more than 50% are just straight up exit scams, waiting for the opportune time to anonymously jump ship.
It is rall before you can locate a sincere legit site of cryptocurrency betting platform or group because scammer is using cryptocurrency to scam people now for investment, if the betting site is like 20 in number and 10 out of 20 is not pure betting group is not becoming reliable againMan, I think I am reading your third post today and I don't understand it at all, and I read it several times. Either don't write when you are drunk or change the translator.
Unfortunately, where there is a lot of money, there are also a lot of scammers. I don't think 50% of casinos are in the hands of fraudsters, but if they do, the self moderated thread won't change anything. Real scammers will do their best to build trust at first, so they won't make the mistake of opening slef moderated threads.
The obvious problem with this system is that so many cryptocurrency betting sites are just scams. I know it, you know it, we all know it. Perhaps more than 50% are just straight up exit scams, waiting for the opportune time to anonymously jump ship.
It is rall before you can locate a sincere legit site of cryptocurrency betting platform or group because scammer is using cryptocurrency to scam people now for investment, if the betting site is like 20 in number and 10 out of 20 is not pure betting group is not becoming reliable again To me, a new bookie having a self-moderated ANN thread is a sign of incompetence and attempt to scam, because their will most likely delete any complaints against them so to be a self-moderated thread is a bad sign.
Not only New bookie even the older one but needed to put a Self Moderated instead or open thread is questionable.If there is nothing to Hide , you can face directly even those troll account .
because you can answer with high pitch and nothing to pressure .
but anyway . lets just prevent from using those site that has this attitude , Period .
To me, a new bookie having a self-moderated ANN thread is a sign of incompetence and attempt to scam, because their will most likely delete any complaints against them so to be a self-moderated thread is a bad sign.
Not only New bookie even the older one but needed to put a Self Moderated instead or open thread is questionable.If there is nothing to Hide , you can face directly even those troll account .
because you can answer with high pitch and nothing to pressure .
but anyway . lets just prevent from using those site that has this attitude , Period .
To me, a new bookie having a self-moderated ANN thread is a sign of incompetence and attempt to scam, because their will most likely delete any complaints against them so to be a self-moderated thread is a bad sign.
Whether a thread is self moderated or not can only be determined when creating it, so this is usually a new project. Unless for some reason the old thread is closed and a new thread (self moderated) is opened, as in this case and therefore 4444sport looks so suspicious.
To me, a new bookie having a self-moderated ANN thread is a sign of incompetence and attempt to scam, because their will most likely delete any complaints against them so to be a self-moderated thread is a bad sign.
This is right, but there is a problem with self-moderated thread. When newbie search casino - he willn`t read this thread but will go to the cheaters thread. And in that thread he willn`t see negative post - they are deleting. Yes, they will lost community of experienced members, but they will get their money from newbies.
their thread is the more opportunity of gaining victims.
and also i still tried to post in those Self Moderated threads but I will check the activity of the OP and when i check He is not Active in a certain time,
then that is the chance to put our warning posts at least will let newly entered accounts to be warned before OP woke up and delete my posts.
i don't care my post being deleted at least i did something small to help potential victims.
This is right, but there is a problem with self-moderated thread. When newbie search casino - he willn`t read this thread but will go to the cheaters thread. And in that thread he willn`t see negative post - they are deleting. Yes, they will lost community of experienced members, but they will get their money from newbies.
their thread is the more opportunity of gaining victims.
and also i still tried to post in those Self Moderated threads but I will check the activity of the OP and when i check He is not Active in a certain time,
then that is the chance to put our warning posts at least will let newly entered accounts to be warned before OP woke up and delete my posts.
i don't care my post being deleted at least i did something small to help potential victims.
As usual. If i see self-moderated thread - i even don`t try to read this. May be i will lose some opportunity, but my money will be safe.
In the 4444sport thread we see classic mistakes of the scam: self-moderated thread, removing negative posts.
In this situation the community help attracted attention to one more scam thread but i don`t think that it can help OP to return his money back. The best choice even not to try to win the cheater.
it is the sites loses and not OP actually , they may have the amount that OP wins but they lose the whole community of Bitcointalk in which there are more opportunity of gaining players and many bettors on their part.In the 4444sport thread we see classic mistakes of the scam: self-moderated thread, removing negative posts.
In this situation the community help attracted attention to one more scam thread but i don`t think that it can help OP to return his money back. The best choice even not to try to win the cheater.
they are just letting the whole community to prevent from playing on their site and now they totally lose all those hopes because at first they are asking for 72 hours waiting but now it is more than a week yet there is no settlement happening so how can they still claim of not scamming when it is obvious shows what their intention is.
Here is the summary :
brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.
4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.
brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.
4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.
4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.
Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.
What's new with that mate , They even hate when you post formal and good advise in their thread telling that it is Out of Topic when they clearly ask for community suggestion and opinion.brassnuts : I can't withdraw my winnings.
4444sport.com : We need to verify all your bets, it took 72 hours.
brassnuts : But it's already over 72 hours.
4444sport.com away. After he got several negative trust and flagged he come back.
4444sport.com : Okay, so our system detect you're cheating our casino and you broke our TOS.
Lol lame excuses, they thought when they delete other user posts the accusations is already over. But after got several negative trust and flagged, they decide to accuse their victim broke other rules... to make they're correct.
they are truly a scam site that pretend to be legit but in the end cases pointing to tehir attitude as a bad gambling site and not to be trusted.
and it is good that i did not even try to deposit when at first i almost fell when i created an account and find their site good to start .
In the 4444sport thread we see classic mistakes of the scam: self-moderated thread, removing negative posts.
In this situation the community help attracted attention to one more scam thread but i don`t think that it can help OP to return his money back. The best choice even not to try to win the cheater.
they are just letting the whole community to prevent from playing on their site and now they totally lose all those hopes because at first they are asking for 72 hours waiting but now it is more than a week yet there is no settlement happening so how can they still claim of not scamming when it is obvious shows what their intention is.
Is this the thread you mean? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/4444sportcom-sports-live-betting-10000-daily-events-5375271
you should contact the owner of the account and try to complain about what you are experiencing regarding the problem. Or why not reply directly to the thread instead of creating a new thread if the problem stems from the post. Send him a PM to provide a solution.
If you include a lot of valid evidence, you can file it in the fraud allegations thread. And don't let this go on for too long. Therefore, when you want to bet, try to do some research because on this forum there are many choices of casinos that have a good reputation and respond to problems experienced by their users.
I'm not a representative of any casino, so just a suggestion that might help you.
you should contact the owner of the account and try to complain about what you are experiencing regarding the problem. Or why not reply directly to the thread instead of creating a new thread if the problem stems from the post. Send him a PM to provide a solution.
If you include a lot of valid evidence, you can file it in the fraud allegations thread. And don't let this go on for too long. Therefore, when you want to bet, try to do some research because on this forum there are many choices of casinos that have a good reputation and respond to problems experienced by their users.
I'm not a representative of any casino, so just a suggestion that might help you.
I agree, but it's mandatory to have some research before making any deposit on any site. There are different blogs, websites, and expert opinions which can guide us that either making any deposit on any particular site would be safe or not? We can't blame any website for committing any fraud if we haven't completed our homework against it. However if still faces any of such fraud experiences. I would suggest you to post it in the fraud allegations thread, as this may help to protect many new users to become a fraud of those scam sites.
Is this the thread you mean? https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/4444sportcom-sports-live-betting-10000-daily-events-5375271
you should contact the owner of the account and try to complain about what you are experiencing regarding the problem. Or why not reply directly to the thread instead of creating a new thread if the problem stems from the post. Send him a PM to provide a solution.
If you include a lot of valid evidence, you can file it in the fraud allegations thread. And don't let this go on for too long. Therefore, when you want to bet, try to do some research because on this forum there are many choices of casinos that have a good reputation and respond to problems experienced by their users.
I'm not a representative of any casino, so just a suggestion that might help you.
you should contact the owner of the account and try to complain about what you are experiencing regarding the problem. Or why not reply directly to the thread instead of creating a new thread if the problem stems from the post. Send him a PM to provide a solution.
If you include a lot of valid evidence, you can file it in the fraud allegations thread. And don't let this go on for too long. Therefore, when you want to bet, try to do some research because on this forum there are many choices of casinos that have a good reputation and respond to problems experienced by their users.
I'm not a representative of any casino, so just a suggestion that might help you.
I agree, but it's mandatory to have some research before making any deposit on any site. There are different blogs, websites, and expert opinions which can guide us that either making any deposit on any particular site would be safe or not? We can't blame any website for committing any fraud if we haven't completed our homework against it. However if still faces any of such fraud experiences. I would suggest you to post it in the fraud allegations thread, as this may help to protect many new users to become a fraud of those scam sites.
Of course, before giving your money to anyone, we should do a thorough research about who it is and whether it is trustworthy. However, in this case, the question is also whether creating a self moderated thread could be a sign that the casino has bad intentions. In my opinion, it is very likely in this case.
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