Topic: [warning] bitmit.net was sold secret without telling the community. (Read 8574 times)
November 06, 2013, 07:32:20 PM
Just bid 8 bitcoins for the site, anyone willing to go with me on this?
November 06, 2013, 05:56:51 PM
It was sold at least twice.
November 06, 2013, 05:55:52 PM
Check the date. 
Yea, August 23, 2013.
Bitmit.net was sold earlier and now up for sale again, or shutdown.
Was it sold twice already?
November 06, 2013, 05:46:07 PM
Check the date.
November 06, 2013, 05:35:44 PM
August 23, 2013, 01:35:07 PM
Sold again?
January 20, 2013, 04:20:33 AM
With a good escrow service, bitmit is not needed as much. You could, hypothetically speaking, conduct auctions or sales, on a more popular web based forum, for example. *cough* https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=73.0 *cough*. Although bitmit does make it easier to locate items for sale, and its ability to filter by country is also good.
Auctioning on forum will never be so good as on site like bitmit. I really don't want to see bitmit fall to point of no return, but tosaki is doing his best to do so...
January 19, 2013, 08:47:10 PM
if tosaki isn't answering at all, he and his service deserve to get some heat. it's a free market and as you can see in my sig i still consider his the best option but i'm happy to jump on any competition that raises above his currently poor reputation. if he speaks up and deals with his customers, he deserves all the fame for his great service. if he disappears leaving the server to rot, i hope for competition.
As for competition, I would like to see an escrow service that uses multi-signature transactions. https://blockchain.info/wallet/escrow - while you still need to trust that the escrow service has a fair and independent resolution process, if I understand correctly the escrow service can't disappear with the funds. Unless they manage to somehow conspire with one of the parties.
With a good escrow service, bitmit is not needed as much. You could, hypothetically speaking, conduct auctions or sales, on a more popular web based forum, for example. *cough* https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=73.0 *cough*. Although bitmit does make it easier to locate items for sale, and its ability to filter by country is also good.
January 19, 2013, 08:35:20 PM
1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-bitmitnet-was-sold-secret-without-telling-the-community-135366
Can you please rename or close this thread? It is definitely damaging Bitmits good reputation. Please remove at least the "warning" tag.
We will publish information about our company and future of Bitmit soon so dont worry!
Can you please rename or close this thread? It is definitely damaging Bitmits good reputation. Please remove at least the "warning" tag.
We will publish information about our company and future of Bitmit soon so dont worry!
I am assuming this quoted email was sent as a PM from tosaki to BTCGOLD?
"Bitmits good reputation" was already destroyed before this thread was opened. I would say the reputation was very much damaged when the message quoted here was posted: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitmit-is-closing-119334
A statement was needed as soon as bitmit.net was sold, giving full details of the sale. Or if it was never sold, a statement was needed as soon as people started expressing doubts clearly saying so. As a start, a statement is needed along the lines of: I am
His attempts to delete/hide information posted here don't help his cause.
One of the most interesting features of bitmit is its escrow service. Unfortunately an escrow service is useless if people can't trust it. At the present time nobody can trust bitmit because nobody knows how owns it. How do we know he isn't related to the buyer? Or the seller? Any settlement involving disputes could be biased. Or he could disappear with the funds entirely.
In addition to the above, I think the information on the escrow service is lacking. http://www.bitmit.net/en/info/13/bitmit-bitcoin-escrow-service . e.g. how are difficult disputes resolved (e.g. insufficient evidence to tell who is telling the truth)? One extremely well known not-bitcoin service has a reputation of ruling in favour of the buyer. What does bitmit do? This uncertainty, IMHO, also affects the credibility of bitmit.
January 19, 2013, 08:01:57 PM
if tosaki isn't answering at all, he and his service deserve to get some heat. it's a free market and as you can see in my sig i still consider his the best option but i'm happy to jump on any competition that raises above his currently poor reputation. if he speaks up and deals with his customers, he deserves all the fame for his great service. if he disappears leaving the server to rot, i hope for competition.
January 19, 2013, 07:12:28 PM
1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/warning-bitmitnet-was-sold-secret-without-telling-the-community-135366
Can you please rename or close this thread? It is definitely damaging Bitmits good reputation. Please remove at least the "warning" tag.
We will publish information about our company and future of Bitmit soon so dont worry!
Can you please rename or close this thread? It is definitely damaging Bitmits good reputation. Please remove at least the "warning" tag.
We will publish information about our company and future of Bitmit soon so dont worry!
January 18, 2013, 11:08:33 AM
I'd like to publicly state that I have had no trouble accessing escrowed coins once released after the recent revelations. I would however like to state it again: Whoever is running bitmit needs to release information about himself publicly, you are undoutably seeing less escrow revenue by now. Since afterall whats the point of an anonymous escrow ?
January 18, 2013, 03:02:16 AM
well I don´t understand everything, because my english knowns are shit and because I not read all the post.
But I want to buy something in bitmit, its secure?
Second, I accurately wanted to buy a object of the creator of the post, but this guy have prices very very lows, no shipping tax, and he dont have ID verification and don´t do scrow. Its all very suspect, he has seven comments all in two days one month ago and nothing more, alls of selling similar objects(gold and silver).
I think that he is the one who should apply the phrase "some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now" because all his acc smells scam or fraud or however it's said..
But I want to buy something in bitmit, its secure?
Second, I accurately wanted to buy a object of the creator of the post, but this guy have prices very very lows, no shipping tax, and he dont have ID verification and don´t do scrow. Its all very suspect, he has seven comments all in two days one month ago and nothing more, alls of selling similar objects(gold and silver).
I think that he is the one who should apply the phrase "some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now" because all his acc smells scam or fraud or however it's said..
Not checking your facts I agree you should be cautious. If you want to buy silver at almost no risk, buy my silver. It's auctions starting at 1€ for stuff that has metal worth of far more. I was forced to use escrow so
… links below.
January 17, 2013, 09:15:50 PM
well I don´t understand everything, because my english knowns are shit and because I not read all the post.
But I want to buy something in bitmit, its secure?
Second, I accurately wanted to buy a object of the creator of the post, but this guy have prices very very lows, no shipping tax, and he dont have ID verification and don´t do scrow. Its all very suspect, he has seven comments all in two days one month ago and nothing more, alls of selling similar objects(gold and silver).
I think that he is the one who should apply the phrase "some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now" because all his acc smells scam or fraud or however it's said..
But I want to buy something in bitmit, its secure?
Second, I accurately wanted to buy a object of the creator of the post, but this guy have prices very very lows, no shipping tax, and he dont have ID verification and don´t do scrow. Its all very suspect, he has seven comments all in two days one month ago and nothing more, alls of selling similar objects(gold and silver).
I think that he is the one who should apply the phrase "some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now" because all his acc smells scam or fraud or however it's said..
January 11, 2013, 09:13:54 PM
Why would a guy from Germany name himself tosaki and then sell everything to another guy from China?
Why would a guy from Canada name himself usagi and pretend to be a girl called Serena?
So usagi acquired Bitmit?
Oh, god. What if THE ASIANS acquiring bAsic are usagi and his multiple personalities?
You just blew my mind man.
January 10, 2013, 05:30:58 AM
Why would a guy from Germany name himself tosaki and then sell everything to another guy from China?
Why would a guy from Canada name himself usagi and pretend to be a girl called Serena?
So usagi acquired Bitmit?
Oh, god. What if THE ASIANS acquiring bAsic are usagi and his multiple personalities?
January 10, 2013, 05:22:04 AM
Why would a guy from Germany name himself tosaki and then sell everything to another guy from China?
Why would a guy from Canada name himself usagi and pretend to be a girl called Serena?
So usagi acquired Bitmit?
January 10, 2013, 04:59:09 AM
Why would a guy from Germany name himself tosaki and then sell everything to another guy from China?
Why would a guy from Canada name himself usagi and pretend to be a girl called Serena?
January 10, 2013, 03:33:22 AM
Why does anyone pick a particular nick, I wouldnt think too much of it.
January 10, 2013, 03:31:47 AM
Why would a guy from Germany name himself tosaki and then sell everything to another guy from China?
asia fan?
January 10, 2013, 02:54:48 AM
Why would a guy from Germany name himself tosaki and then sell everything to another guy from China?
Good question
I don't know. But I can tell you he spoke german very well (like a native).
January 09, 2013, 09:05:10 PM
Why would a guy from Germany name himself tosaki and then sell everything to another guy from China?
Good question
January 09, 2013, 07:59:25 PM
& what happened to the user verification data?
hope the original owner did not wipe his as* with personal data protection regulations.
hope the original owner did not wipe his as* with personal data protection regulations.
January 09, 2013, 06:45:43 PM
Why would a guy from Germany name himself tosaki and then sell everything to another guy from China?
January 09, 2013, 06:33:13 PM
My order was fixed.
January 09, 2013, 10:19:51 AM
Nobody seems to know who owns compost.com
Is it a good bitmit alternative? Is there a support?
I had one question as I tried the site out yesterday, in over 24h my message has not been replied, also there is virtually no information available on the site. Is it a good bitmit alternative? Is there a support?
January 09, 2013, 04:56:45 AM
Nobody seems to know who owns compost.com
Is it a good bitmit alternative? Is there a support?
Is it a good bitmit alternative? Is there a support?
January 09, 2013, 03:43:13 AM
That means some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now and we dont know Who he is. And in fact some UNKNOWN guy got all our email adress and account information.
So what? Decoupling of [real] identity and reputation is very bitcoin-y in my opinion The point is that we all assumed it would be that one german guy. I talked to this guy before in german and have come to trust him (maybe a mistake, don't know). I don't know wether the original owner (german guy) was obliged to tell us of the sale, but surely the new owner was. He failed to do that. Transferring a forum account to another person imo is questionable in itself.
January 08, 2013, 10:25:54 PM
I'm not, and I'm not the first:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1284874
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1237324
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1284874
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.1237324
January 08, 2013, 08:44:53 PM
Another reason to switch to coinpost.com - since you put in your own BTC address for payment, no funds are ever held in a wallet outside your control.
Hmmm … don't know if I would buy there … don't need women shoes size 7 and that's basically all for sale right now.
Ok, joking aside
I checked it out and while I'm really not up for buying and have no clue yet, I'm about to add some coins for sale. Physical coins. Old coins. Older than 2009.
Which category would that be?
https://www.coinpost.com/categories/collectibles-art
I assume you are running coinpost.com or how come you know about it while nobody else here ever posted about it?
January 08, 2013, 06:57:38 PM
Another reason to switch to coinpost.com - since you put in your own BTC address for payment, no funds are ever held in a wallet outside your control.
Hmmm … don't know if I would buy there … don't need women shoes size 7 and that's basically all for sale right now.
Ok, joking aside
I checked it out and while I'm really not up for buying and have no clue yet, I'm about to add some coins for sale. Physical coins. Old coins. Older than 2009.
Which category would that be?
https://www.coinpost.com/categories/collectibles-art
January 08, 2013, 06:47:32 PM
That means some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now and we dont know Who he is. And in fact some UNKNOWN guy got all our email adress and account information.
So what? Decoupling of [real] identity and reputation is very bitcoin-y in my opinion January 08, 2013, 06:24:49 PM
Who owns coinpost.com?
If I understand it right, coinpost.com doesn't want to hold coins? I didn't see fees yet but I expect it will cost something to refresh a listing. If not now, maybe later. I like the idea of services that don't hold my coins.Another reason to switch to coinpost.com - since you put in your own BTC address for payment, no funds are ever held in a wallet outside your control.
Hmmm … don't know if I would buy there … don't need women shoes size 7 and that's basically all for sale right now.
Ok, joking aside
I checked it out and while I'm really not up for buying and have no clue yet, I'm about to add some coins for sale. Physical coins. Old coins. Older than 2009.
Which category would that be?
Oh but I want new coins. 1 Trillion $ Platinum coins?
I want them to make this coin. Please, do so. Now. 10 of them. Pleasepleaseplease
January 08, 2013, 06:16:31 PM
Who owns coinpost.com?
January 08, 2013, 06:02:13 PM
Another reason to switch to coinpost.com - since you put in your own BTC address for payment, no funds are ever held in a wallet outside your control.
Hmmm … don't know if I would buy there … don't need women shoes size 7 and that's basically all for sale right now.
Ok, joking aside
I checked it out and while I'm really not up for buying and have no clue yet, I'm about to add some coins for sale. Physical coins. Old coins. Older than 2009.
Which category would that be?
Oh but I want new coins. 1 Trillion $ Platinum coins?
January 08, 2013, 05:51:25 PM
Another reason to switch to coinpost.com - since you put in your own BTC address for payment, no funds are ever held in a wallet outside your control.
Hmmm … don't know if I would buy there … don't need women shoes size 7 and that's basically all for sale right now.
Ok, joking aside
I checked it out and while I'm really not up for buying and have no clue yet, I'm about to add some coins for sale. Physical coins. Old coins. Older than 2009.
Which category would that be?
January 08, 2013, 05:48:17 PM
That means some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now and we dont know Who he is. And in fact some UNKNOWN guy got all our email adress and account information.
At least he should give us his old forum account here. so that we can know who he is.
Well...maybe it's time someone actually made a good version of bitmit.
Why don't you do that MPOE-PR.
Add it to your
Exchange
Your betting site
and your porn site.
That would be a nice diversified portfolio of companies.
Not the sharpest ball in the bearing are you.
January 08, 2013, 05:28:21 PM
Another reason to switch to coinpost.com - since you put in your own BTC address for payment, no funds are ever held in a wallet outside your control.
Sounds like a good way for buyers to lose a lot of coinage. 
January 08, 2013, 05:24:43 PM
That means some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now and we dont know Who he is. And in fact some UNKNOWN guy got all our email adress and account information.
At least he should give us his old forum account here. so that we can know who he is.
Well...maybe it's time someone actually made a good version of bitmit.
Why don't you do that MPOE-PR.
Add it to your
Exchange
Your betting site
and your porn site.
That would be a nice diversified portfolio of companies.
January 08, 2013, 05:20:42 PM
Another reason to switch to coinpost.com - since you put in your own BTC address for payment, no funds are ever held in a wallet outside your control.
January 08, 2013, 04:44:59 PM
That means some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now and we dont know Who he is. And in fact some UNKNOWN guy got all our email adress and account information.
At least he should give us his old forum account here. so that we can know who he is.
Well...maybe it's time someone actually made a good version of bitmit.
January 08, 2013, 04:37:42 PM
I have a feeling the new owner is good-willed. But secretely selling bitmit including tosaki account was a huge mistake.
One would hope, but the new owner withheld the information of change of ownership just the same as the old owner withheld the fact that it had been sold. I would almost say the new owner has more responsibility to report the change to the users of the site.Good-willed, hopefully, but naive as well.
January 08, 2013, 04:33:51 PM
Looks like the site was restored with my account and the way I left it. Note that earlier today it was a 2 day backup but now that seems to be fixed.
yeah, it seems everything is restored (except one user who still complains it seems).
Let's see if confidence can be restored, too.
January 08, 2013, 04:31:58 PM
I have a feeling the new owner is good-willed. But secretely selling bitmit including tosaki account was a huge mistake.
January 08, 2013, 03:49:00 PM
Looks like the site was restored with my account and the way I left it. Note that earlier today it was a 2 day backup but now that seems to be fixed.
January 08, 2013, 03:21:35 PM
Wow, I just placed an order on bitmit last night and I now have "no permission" to view the order, after paying. Were my funds taken by the new owner or something?
January 08, 2013, 02:08:35 PM
January 08, 2013, 02:05:31 PM
Roger Verr,
I hope that wasn't you!
(see how shady actions link you to shady deals...)
I hope that wasn't you!
(see how shady actions link you to shady deals...)
January 08, 2013, 02:04:13 PM
No. But then again I dind't know Tosaki (the original Tosaki) was or wasn't German.
Very shady to sell site, forum accounts, email, etc to a new entity without making it public. Lying (by omission) doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I won't be using bitmit in the future and I have been an early supporter.
I'd like to see a reputable member purchase bitmit, Im sure this is propably still an option preferred by everyone. Very shady to sell site, forum accounts, email, etc to a new entity without making it public. Lying (by omission) doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I won't be using bitmit in the future and I have been an early supporter.
January 08, 2013, 02:01:50 PM
No. But then again I dind't know Tosaki (the original Tosaki) was or wasn't German.
Very shady to sell site, forum accounts, email, etc to a new entity without making it public. Lying (by omission) doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I won't be using bitmit in the future and I have been an early supporter.
Very shady to sell site, forum accounts, email, etc to a new entity without making it public. Lying (by omission) doesn't exactly inspire confidence. I won't be using bitmit in the future and I have been an early supporter.
January 08, 2013, 01:57:55 PM
Guys, guys. Remember the auction?
The auction that explicitly said how they were going to close/sell due to changing laws in HONG KONG?
Remember how Hong Kong is not in Germany?
Seriously. No one noticed that back then?
The auction that explicitly said how they were going to close/sell due to changing laws in HONG KONG?
Remember how Hong Kong is not in Germany?
Seriously. No one noticed that back then?
January 08, 2013, 01:55:10 PM
I'm confused if bitmit was sold or not? Or was there a fake auction?
January 08, 2013, 01:42:09 PM
Damn this was already several month ago before the offical auction on the bitmit site was there... so dont panic
Not good enough if you want to keep my buisness, im afraid.
January 08, 2013, 01:24:26 PM
Tosaki ][: Mind linking the post where you officially took over, being introduced by the former owner, cause that's how I would consider serious business doing it. I also support the demand for full disclosure of your identity.
In the end Tosaki ][ only makes it look like he's not Tosaki I after all so he can run with our money claiming he's got nothing to do with it?
In the end Tosaki ][ only makes it look like he's not Tosaki I after all so he can run with our money claiming he's got nothing to do with it?
January 08, 2013, 01:20:07 PM
Hier ein paar Bitmit Links
Silber http://www.bitmit.net/de/q/?q=silver
Edelmetalle http://www.bitmit.net/de/shop/c/25-sammeln-amp-seltenes/8-mineralien-amp-fossilien/1-edelmetalle
Gold aus Finnland: http://www.bitmit.net/de/trade/i/4545-gold-coin-finland-75-years-0-26-oz-fine-gold/description
Vorteil: Keine Zoll- und Einfuhrumsatzsteuer da EU
Edelsteine: https://www.bitmit.net/de/user/tiptopgemdotcom#items
Gibt noch viele weitere Händler http://www.bitmit.net
Silber http://www.bitmit.net/de/q/?q=silver
Edelmetalle http://www.bitmit.net/de/shop/c/25-sammeln-amp-seltenes/8-mineralien-amp-fossilien/1-edelmetalle
Gold aus Finnland: http://www.bitmit.net/de/trade/i/4545-gold-coin-finland-75-years-0-26-oz-fine-gold/description
Vorteil: Keine Zoll- und Einfuhrumsatzsteuer da EU
Edelsteine: https://www.bitmit.net/de/user/tiptopgemdotcom#items
Gibt noch viele weitere Händler http://www.bitmit.net
So this tosaki handed over access to his forum account to a "new tosaki" who doesn't speak German? Shady to say the least.
January 08, 2013, 01:16:45 PM
Damn this was already several month ago before the offical auction on the bitmit site was there... so dont panic
Whats the matter?
Whats the name of your old account here? Identify yourself.
You should understand that we cant trust somebody unknown our money.
January 08, 2013, 01:16:37 PM
Damn this was already several month ago before the offical auction on the bitmit site was there... so dont panic
this makes it even worse! it means u refused to tell the ppl that bitmit has been sold/traded and u didnt tell anyone who u are! will this get even more worse? 
January 08, 2013, 01:13:02 PM
Damn this was already several month ago before the offical auction on the bitmit site was there... so dont panic
January 08, 2013, 12:55:07 PM
That means some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now and we dont know Who he is. And in fact some UNKNOWN guy got all our email adress and account information.
At least he should give us his old forum account here. so that we can know who he is.
January 08, 2013, 12:49:04 PM
has this always been there?
Quote from: http://www.bitmit.net/en/info/contact
企業資料
辦公地址: 香港九龙官塘鸿图道21号讯科中心B20楼F室 (Flat B20/F, Infotech Center No.21 Hung To Road Kwun Tong, Kowloon Hong Kong)
辦公地址: 香港九龙官塘鸿图道21号讯科中心B20楼F室 (Flat B20/F, Infotech Center No.21 Hung To Road Kwun Tong, Kowloon Hong Kong)
PS: The traditional Chinese, '企業資料' means 'Company details' and '辦公地址' means operating address.
January 08, 2013, 12:46:02 PM
has this always been there?
Quote from: http://www.bitmit.net/en/info/contact
企業資料
辦公地址: 香港九龙官塘鸿图道21号讯科中心B20楼F室 (Flat B20/F, Infotech Center No.21 Hung To Road Kwun Tong, Kowloon Hong Kong)
辦公地址: 香港九龙官塘鸿图道21号讯科中心B20楼F室 (Flat B20/F, Infotech Center No.21 Hung To Road Kwun Tong, Kowloon Hong Kong)
January 08, 2013, 12:44:12 PM
Didnt they have a auction on their own site to sell the domain and entire site and source a month or two ago.
Yes, but the auction was cancelled, and it was publicly announced that it wasn't going to be sold after all. 
January 08, 2013, 12:38:41 PM
Didnt they have a auction on their own site to sell the domain and entire site and source a month or two ago.
January 08, 2013, 12:30:54 PM
The plot sickens...
January 08, 2013, 12:30:31 PM
For your records: Tosaki is a native german user of the community.
Are you sure? Can you show some link to prove this?There.
January 08, 2013, 12:29:55 PM
Ahhh just another day in the oh so very reputable bitcoin community.
January 08, 2013, 12:27:49 PM
For your records: Tosaki is a native german user of the community.
Are you sure? Can you show some link to prove this? January 08, 2013, 12:21:47 PM
As a frequent paying user I'd really like to hear a response to this, including the verifyable name and address of the current owner, actually I see no other way for me to continue using the service.
January 08, 2013, 12:18:28 PM
And this is surprising? 
Its surprising to me. This should have been made public. I don't like the sound of this at all...
January 08, 2013, 12:12:03 PM
And this is surprising?
January 08, 2013, 11:33:46 AM
It seems that bitmit.net was sold!!
Some weeks ago there was a auction to buy bitmit but it had been closed and Tosaki told that he doesnt want to sell bitmit anymore.
For your records: Tosaki is a native german user of the community.
I asked him today about the recent downtime of bitmit.net and the missing listenings.
My PN to him was writen in Native german but you should read his answer below:
So it seems that he SOLD bitmit.net and his account here to somebody else because this guy used google translate to read my PN...
He confirmed it:
That means some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now and we dont know Who he is. And in fact some UNKNOWN guy got all our email adress and account information.
Some weeks ago there was a auction to buy bitmit but it had been closed and Tosaki told that he doesnt want to sell bitmit anymore.
For your records: Tosaki is a native german user of the community.
I asked him today about the recent downtime of bitmit.net and the missing listenings.
My PN to him was writen in Native german but you should read his answer below:
Hi
Sorry I used google to translate your pm.
No data has been lost, as it exactly the same data as before the downtime. If your username is btcgold you can watch your active items here: https://www.bitmit.net/en/user/BTCGOLD
We only delete expired, sold out and canceled items from time to time.
if you have any further questions please let me know
Sorry I used google to translate your pm.
No data has been lost, as it exactly the same data as before the downtime. If your username is btcgold you can watch your active items here: https://www.bitmit.net/en/user/BTCGOLD
We only delete expired, sold out and canceled items from time to time.
if you have any further questions please let me know
So it seems that he SOLD bitmit.net and his account here to somebody else because this guy used google translate to read my PN...
He confirmed it:
It is already some time ago he sold it but partially helps out with German support.
You are right, there were a little data loss but I am going to restore it now so dont worry. Kindly hold on
You are right, there were a little data loss but I am going to restore it now so dont worry. Kindly hold on
That means some unknown guy is holding OUR money right now and we dont know Who he is. And in fact some UNKNOWN guy got all our email adress and account information.
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