[WARNING] EURST plagiarized whitepaper!

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Quote from: layoutph on July 10, 2020, 10:42:56 PM

Thanks for this.., I think I need to refrain from accepting crypto clients for now as I am not equip with complete knowledge of examining them if they are have a plagiarized materials or to check if they are fake, etc.

You should not, you should just be aware the of your obligation, disclaimer is a must if there are issues address it and call out the developer it's also good that you have a screenshot of your conversation that you are not part of the team, oif course you have a business and your business is legal;
I've support all scam busters here and I appreciate their effort and this is my favorite section, but all this time I never gave any manager red trust if they can prove that they are working independent, and they can take quick action, we all have a responsibility to protect this forum from scammers.

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Thanks for this.., I think I need to refrain from accepting crypto clients for now as I am not equip with complete knowledge of examining them if they are have a plagiarized materials or to check if they are fake, etc.

Quote from: Rikafip on July 10, 2020, 10:31:16 AM

Quote from: layoutph on July 10, 2020, 12:33:12 AM

But how the hell we will know if a sheep who come to us for service is actually a wolf?

You simply have to invest some time and do due diligence. That is the only way to protect yourself and the others. Remember, while you might not have bad intentions, when you make an ANN for a scammy project, someone might invest in it, and will loose the money.
After all, you can always contact any of the scambusters on this forum if you are suspicious about potential client, and I am sure that many will help you.

I changed my negative feedback to neutral for now, let's see if you gonna be more careful from now on.

Thanks for mediating...

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on July 10, 2020, 11:26:24 AM

Quote from: Rikafip on July 10, 2020, 10:31:16 AM

Quote from: layoutph on July 10, 2020, 12:33:12 AM

But how the hell we will know if a sheep who come to us for service is actually a wolf?

You simply have to invest some time and do due diligence. That is the only way to protect yourself and the others. Remember, while you might not have bad intentions, when you make an ANN for a scammy project, someone might invest in it, and will loose the money.
After all, you can always contact any of the scambusters on this forum if you are suspicious about potential client, and I am sure that many will help you.

I changed my negative feedback to neutral for now, let's see if you gonna be more careful from now on.

Glad that you did this is a big lesson to all that any announcement thread should not be put in the moderated thread, because investors are looking on neutral feedback and those who has an evidence can post there so the issue will be confine in the thread for the team to answer, if I find something on the project and the thread is moderated I will not going to post there, because the purpose of moderation is to only see good posts, I'll go here and post my findings.

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Quote from: Rikafip on July 10, 2020, 10:31:16 AM

Quote from: layoutph on July 10, 2020, 12:33:12 AM

But how the hell we will know if a sheep who come to us for service is actually a wolf?

You simply have to invest some time and do due diligence. That is the only way to protect yourself and the others. Remember, while you might not have bad intentions, when you make an ANN for a scammy project, someone might invest in it, and will loose the money.
After all, you can always contact any of the scambusters on this forum if you are suspicious about potential client, and I am sure that many will help you.

I changed my negative feedback to neutral for now, let's see if you gonna be more careful from now on.

Glad that you did this is a big lesson to all that any announcement thread should not be put in the moderated thread, because investors are looking on neutral feedback and those who has an evidence can post there so the issue will be confine in the thread for the team to answer, if I find something on the project and the thread is moderated I will not going to post there, because the purpose of moderation is to only see good posts, I'll go here and post my findings.

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Quote from: layoutph on July 10, 2020, 12:33:12 AM

But how the hell we will know if a sheep who come to us for service is actually a wolf?

You simply have to invest some time and do due diligence. That is the only way to protect yourself and the others. Remember, while you might not have bad intentions, when you make an ANN for a scammy project, someone might invest in it, and will loose the money.
After all, you can always contact any of the scambusters on this forum if you are suspicious about potential client, and I am sure that many will help you.

I changed my negative feedback to neutral for now, let's see if you gonna be more careful from now on.

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Also reported to CryptoScamAlert
https://cryptoscamalert.com/crypto_scam_report/407

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Quote from: layoutph on July 10, 2020, 12:33:12 AM

Are you goin to report them if you found one ico in their portfolio is a scam?

Yes, I will report them every time if I find they promote ponzi schemes or doing plagiarism.
Anyone can open account here and claim he is 'designer'.

Problem is that you ignore the issue, and refuse to expose other members involved in this crime (wealthnook aka virtual assistant),
you are protecting them and you choose to take all the blame on yourself.

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Quote from: layoutph on July 10, 2020, 12:33:12 AM

Thank you, some ann designers are also posting ANN of their clients in their behalf specially if client has no bitcointalk account.

That's fine and not against the forum rules.

Quote from: layoutph on July 10, 2020, 12:33:12 AM

But how the hell we will know if a sheep who come to us for service is actually a wolf?

The same way you choose clients in real life. You do the basic research. If you doubt the legitimacy of a job, you simply reject it. It’s not worth putting your reputation at stake for a few bucks.

Quote from: layoutph on July 10, 2020, 12:33:12 AM

Are you goin to report them if you found one ico in their portfolio is a scam?

Definitely yes. Anyone can make a mistake in their assessment. What matters is your reaction after it is pointed out to you. Anyone who continues to promote scam projects, even after being pointed to it, should be red-tagged by DT members. How else will other forum members be alerted to scam projects? Not everyone reads the Scam Accusations board.

As @pilosopotasyo commented, your mistake is that you made the thread moderated and you did not address the issue immediately. Would you even remove the ANN post if you didn’t get a negative trust? I guess we'll never know.

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Thank you, some ann designers are also posting ANN of their clients in their behalf specially if client has no bitcointalk account.

Heres a huge list of bitcointalk graphic designers I am also listed in this list..

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/overview-of-bitcointalk-designerssignatureavataretc-last-update-15-aug-2018-1610428

They are active in creating services for both good and scam icos. But how the hell we will know if a sheep who come to us for service is actually a wolf?

Are you goin to report them if you found one ico in their portfolio is a scam?

Quote from: pilosopotasyo on July 09, 2020, 09:57:42 PM

Bountydetective is the bounty manager of KingCasino and yet people are not tagging him this is double standard in the case of Layout
check this thread, no independent manager is perfect that is why they have a disclaimer for their service

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kingcasino-turned-scam-5259635

His mistake is making a thread moderated which is a big no and closing it when there is report on the project

This is a lesson that if there is a report address the issue immediately.

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Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 06:31:28 PM

You make harm someone to justify your report in the reputation thread. I dont even know how to check plagiarized whitepaper.. Should i waste my time checking all whitepaper of my client everytime I do freelancing?

Why do you think that checking whitepaper and other stuff like whether team is real or not is a waste of time? That way you are protecting yourself, and others. And yes, you should check whether something is legit before you start working with them, especially if you are going to put your name on their ANN thread.
As you said, you are making living out of it, that's why you should be even more careful when promoting someone, in order not to ruin your reputation.

This is a problem here, that you still don't realize your part of the responsibility here, and you are going even further by saying that checking whitepaper is a waste of time.

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Bountydetective is the bounty manager of KingCasino and yet people are not tagging him this is double standard in the case of Layout
check this thread, no independent manager is perfect that is why they have a disclaimer for their service

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/kingcasino-turned-scam-5259635

His mistake is making a thread moderated which is a big no and not closing it when there is report on the project

This is a lesson that if there is a report address the issue immediately.

layoutph

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I am not saying you allow scam in this forum, what i am saying is investigate further and dont just put a negative trust easily. I am not a part of their team and i dont even shill nor encourage everyone to buy it. I am not selfish but you dont listen on my side.

Put your self in my situation, you make living as a designer. Someone ask you to make logos, sigs, ann.

Then suddenly, one of your past client has a plagiarized whitepaper that you dont even created. You got a negative trust. You explain your self but no one believes in you.

You make harm someone to justify your report in the reputation thread. I dont even know how to check plagiarized whitepaper.. Should i waste my time checking all whitepaper of my client everytime I do freelancing?

Quote from: FatFork on July 09, 2020, 12:25:13 PM

Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 11:38:52 AM

I know you guys will get 1000 merits for this, but think about the lives of freelancers of who will suffer from your negative trust.

What exactly are you saying? That we shouldn't publicly expose scammers if we spot them? Don't be so selfish. Think about innocent people who will be lured into the scam by your actions.

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Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 11:38:52 AM

I know you guys will get 1000 merits for this, but think about the lives of freelancers of who will suffer from your negative trust.

What exactly are you saying? That we shouldn't publicly expose scammers if we spot them? Don't be so selfish. Think about innocent people who will be lured into the scam by your actions.

layoutph

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I asked them for bitcointalk account I can put in the ANN incase of questions or inquiries. Wealthnook a personal account of their VA was given to me. I told you employer has no Bitcointalk account thats why I am posting in their behalf. As I said, this would be the last ANN i will render my account to post in their behalf.

I know you guys will get 1000 merits for this, but think about the lives of freelancers of who will suffer from your negative trust.

Quote from: dkbit98 on July 09, 2020, 11:05:55 AM

Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 10:59:46 AM

As far as I know wealthnook is just their virtual assistant, I dont want to judge. Employer has no bitcointalk account.

Virtual assistant?!
I will not change my feedback for now, as there is no proofs for wealthnook and your claims that he should be contacted for any questions, and you want to protect your 'employer'

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Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 10:59:46 AM

As far as I know wealthnook is just their virtual assistant, I dont want to judge. Employer has no bitcointalk account.

Virtual assistant?!
I will not change my feedback for now, as there is no proofs for wealthnook and your claims that he should be contacted for any questions, and you want to protect your 'employer'

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As far as I know wealthnook is just their virtual assistant, I dont want to judge. Employer has no bitcointalk account. I think the responsible person for everything is the one who created the whitepaper. And I do not know if this is created by them or they hired someone to do the whitepaper writing.

Quote from: dkbit98 on July 09, 2020, 10:26:09 AM

Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 10:22:57 AM

Okay I removed the thread if this is the action you want to see. I will just inform the employer who hired me from upwork. This is a big lesson to me, will also warn other Ann thread designer.

You also need to post all other bitcointalk members who are involved in this case with more proofs.
wealthnook (and maybe others)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wealthnook-1250636

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Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 10:22:57 AM

Okay I removed the thread if this is the action you want to see. I will just inform the employer who hired me from upwork. This is a big lesson to me, will also warn other Ann thread designer.

You also need to post all other bitcointalk members who are involved in this case with more proofs.
wealthnook (and maybe others)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wealthnook-1250636

layoutph

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Okay I removed the thread if this is the action you want to see. I will just inform the employer who hired me from upwork. This is a big lesson to me, will also warn other Ann thread designer.

Quote from: Rikafip on July 09, 2020, 10:14:08 AM

Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 08:48:49 AM

I am an ANN thread designer, see my portfolio: http://www.layout.ph I am being hired to create ANN thread by different ICO and crypto services. Why should I get a negative trust for this? If you think EURST plagiarized a whitepaper I am not responsible for it

Of course you are responsible for it. You are promoting project that obviously plagiarized whitepaper. Whose responsibility should be?

Instead realizing your mistake and locking topic immediately, you still go on about not being your responsibility whether project is a scam or not, and trying to protect your self with some disclaimer that doesn't protect you from anything. And that concerns me in this case, your inability to admit how wrong your reasoning is.

By the way, why is that ANN still not locked?

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Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 08:48:49 AM

I am an ANN thread designer, see my portfolio: http://www.layout.ph I am being hired to create ANN thread by different ICO and crypto services. Why should I get a negative trust for this? If you think EURST plagiarized a whitepaper I am not responsible for it

Of course you are responsible for it. You didn't just design their ANN, you published it as well. You are promoting project that obviously plagiarized whitepaper. Whose responsibility should be?

Instead realizing your mistake and locking topic immediately, you still go on about not being your responsibility whether project is a scam or not, and trying to protect your self with some disclaimer that doesn't protect you from anything. And that concerns me in this case, your inability to admit how wrong your reasoning is.

By the way, why is that ANN still not locked?

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Thats the only way I think I can protect my self. Just like what I said that would be the last I will require them next time to buy a copper membership account. Regarding scams, they said about 50% of ICO are scams. Even the signature we are wearing now. This might turn scams later on , or might be a good crypto services. I dont think its fair if you will get a negative trust from a bounty you supported that turns out to be a scam.

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Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 09:47:10 AM

That would be the last ANN thread design I will allow my account to post in their behalf. Anyway I actually put a disclaimer I am not a part of their team and only posting in their behalf, you can verify this in webarchives. Please see the screenshot.

I am not blind and I saw this disclaimer.
So you think that if you put your disclaimer than you can create any ICO scam ANN you want without any issue?
Is that the way to promote anything for few bucks?

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Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 09:33:18 AM

They hired me only to do their ANN thread design, i dont have any idea about the plagiarized whitepaper.

Now you know, don't you? What are you going to do about it?

In criminal justice, aiding and abetting a crime is a crime in itself. If you aid and abet a crime you can face the same punishment as the person who committed it.

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Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 09:47:10 AM

That would be the last ANN thread design I will allow my account to post in their behalf. Anyway I actually put a disclaimer I am not a part of their team and only posting in their behalf, you can verify this in webarchives. Please see the screenshot.

I am not blind and I saw this disclaimer.
So you think that if you put your disclaimer than you can create any ICO scam ANN you want without any issue?
Is that the way to promote anything for few bucks?

I also saw this

Quote from: layoutph on June 23, 2020, 08:26:27 AM

Reserved for future use!

So that means you plan to keep this EURST ANN topic open and alive in future.

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That would be the last ANN thread design I will allow my account to post in their behalf. Anyway I actually put a disclaimer I am not a part of their team and only posting in their behalf, you can verify this in webarchives. Please see the screenshot.

Quote from: dkbit98 on July 09, 2020, 09:39:40 AM

Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 09:33:18 AM

Sorry I am not burst posting, I am just really upset and expressing my self. I am just a designer of ANN. And I did not created the whitepaper nor their website. They hired me only to do their ANN thread design, i dont have any idea about the plagiarized whitepaper.

You are burstposting as you could post all that in a single post, and not divide it in 3 posts with few minute difference.

I hope money they paid you was good, as you take some responsibility when you create original ANN topic for new projects.
You can now only wait for OP and others to review this case,
and watch what ANN topics you create in future.

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Quote from: layoutph on July 09, 2020, 09:33:18 AM

Sorry I am not burst posting, I am just really upset and expressing my self. I am just a designer of ANN. And I did not created the whitepaper nor their website. They hired me only to do their ANN thread design, i dont have any idea about the plagiarized whitepaper.

You are burstposting as you could post all that in a single post, and not divide it in 3 posts with few minute difference.

I hope money they paid you was good, as you take some responsibility when you create original ANN topic for new projects.
You can now only wait for OP and others to review this case,
and watch what ANN topics you create in future.

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Sorry I am not burst posting, I am just really upset and expressing my self. I am just a designer of ANN. And I did not created the whitepaper nor their website. They hired me only to do their ANN thread design, i dont have any idea about the plagiarized whitepaper.

Quote from: dkbit98 on July 09, 2020, 09:16:15 AM

First of all @layoutph you should read forum rules and stop burstposting.

Second,
You are responsible for creating selfmoderated topic and posting plagiarized whitepaper.
Think before you release something next time.
It is nothing against you personally but against EURST and their WP.
Archived:
http://archive.vn/2qEti

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First of all @layoutph you should read forum rules and stop burstposting.

Second,
You are responsible for creating selfmoderated ANN topic and posting plagiarized whitepaper link.
Think before you release something next time.
It is nothing against you personally but against EURST and their WP.
Archived:
http://archive.vn/2qEti

layoutph

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I am an ANN thread designer, see my portfolio: http://www.layout.ph I am being hired to create ANN thread by different ICO and crypto services. Why should I get a negative trust for this? If you think EURST plagiarized a whitepaper I am not responsible for it

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Obvious scam. The team wasn't even on EUST website. All the newbies who posted to its ann thread is owned by the team to lift its thread up.

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What happened: EURST took whitepaper content from several various sources. On top of plagiarism, seems like they hired one of those bumping services, as newbie accounts suddenly appeared and started their "work".

ANN https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/remove-admins-5257525
Archive https://archive.fo/4UieW

Website https://eurst.io/
Archive https://archive.vn/cWRf8

Whitepaper https://eurst.io/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/WhitePaper-EURST-2.pdf
Archive https://web.archive.org/web/20200624103034/https://eurst.io/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/WhitePaper-EURST-2.pdf

Source 1 https://medium.com/stably-blog/top-use-cases-and-benefits-of-stablecoins-4f1ceab57d00
Source 2 https://www.ecb.europa.eu/pub/pdf/scpops/ecb.op230~d57946be3b.en.pdf

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Domain Name: EURST.IO
Registry Domain ID: D503300001183967556-LRMS
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Updated Date: 2020-04-29T15:31:14Z
Creation Date: 2020-04-29T15:31:13Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2022-04-29T15:31:13Z

On the left side you can see Eurst whitepaper, and on the right side are the originals

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