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I am not completely sold on the idea that people should trust their Bookmarks. Roll Eyes

I have seen hackers changing the Url link in a Bookmark for some sites too. It will create a false sense of security, if you trust your Bookmarks too much.

I type all my short Url links and I never trust the "auto complete" feature, because that can be altered too. I even have a sticky note with the most used Url links pasted on my wall and written in my own handwriting to help me to type the correct address.

Be careful out there, we are getting attacked from all sites now. Angry

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Thank you for your answer. You are a very helpful member.
I think I will take advantage of the temp passphrase since my ledger is basically a cold wallet and I only deposit into it. Spending I just have a spending wallet which I use an app for since the QR scanning is awesome.

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Quote from: Orange Mango on October 13, 2019, 02:30:04 PM

Once you have verified your ledger does that mean it is 100% safe. A tampered with ledger and cannot be messed with?

There is no set up in the world which is 100% safe. There is an old saying:

Quote from: Orange Mango on October 13, 2019, 02:30:04 PM

I know the privatekey stays on the ledger but is there anyway it can be read by anyone?

Yes. As I said before, nothing is 100% secure. With a powerful enough electron microscope, the knowledge to use it, and enough time, you could extract the private keys or seed from the secure element. Is this possible? Yes. Is it likely? Absolutely not.

Provided you follow the proper steps when using your Ledger, the chances of someone else accessing your private keys are negligible. If you are still worried, then you should also consider using a passphrase which you manually set every time you use your wallet (known as a temporary passphrase, more information here: https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005214529-Advanced-passphrase-security). Because neither the passphrase nor the seed it derives are stored on the device, they can't be extracted.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 05, 2019, 05:16:47 PM

Quote from: Orange Mango on October 05, 2019, 04:03:08 PM

Ok this is scary. What is to stop someone buying these fake trezor and then selling them on a local amazon like market?

Nothing, and indeed fake Trezor devices have previously been sold: https://blog.trezor.io/psa-non-genuine-trezor-devices-979b64e359a7

Quote from: Orange Mango on October 05, 2019, 04:03:08 PM

Is there anyway to check if the device you have is real?
I bought a ledger and I am thinking I have no idea if it could be a hacked ledger or something?

Yes, there are ways to check that your Ledger is genuine.

First of all, you should only be buying directly from Ledger themselves, or maybe from one of their approved retailers: https://shop.ledger.com/pages/retailers/ (although I would suggest just going direct to Ledger to minimize any middlemen).

Secondly, when your device arrives, you should be following the instructions set out in their set up guide here: https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002481534

Verifying your Ledger device by connecting it to Ledger Live also serves as a check that it is genuine, as does updating it. There is currently no known exploit which would allow a fake or hacked device to verify itself against Ledger's server.

Note that if you are planning to update your device, ensure you have your 24 word phrase backed up before you do.

Just Quote for others to see ore easily. Thank you for replying to me. Sorry I took so long I was a bit busy this week. What you say makes sense and makes me feel better. I am glad. Once you have verified your ledger does that mean it is 100% safe. A tampered with ledger and cannot be messed with? I know the privatekey stays on the ledger but is there anyway it can be read by anyone? Including the ledger team? Or is it encrypted so well behind its protection that it cannot be?

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You need to immediately remember the site address, well, personally, I immediately remember and never come across a fake.

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Quote from: smyslov on October 05, 2019, 09:41:10 AM

Bookmark is our proven tool to land in a phishing site, so if you are not bookmarking and you do not have metacert installed you are in big trouble, make a habit always to bookmark or at least create a spreadsheet to all the sites that you are visiting.
I seldom type on the search bar sometimes hackers are cloning the site and advertising it in adwords and make it appear the real one in thesearch results

I'd generally make a list of those sites that are used when accessing my wallet and making transactions through exchanges. I also would generally take note of tweets of the sites I often visit in case of various announcements and sometimes this can lead me to an early warning about scam sites that try to clone theirs. I also tried in the past writing the list of sites I use in my room posted in the wall, so I can make sure that I'm typing the right thing and not just following what the browser recommended site is.

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Quote from: o_e_l_e_o on October 05, 2019, 05:16:47 PM

Quote from: Orange Mango on October 05, 2019, 04:03:08 PM

Ok this is scary. What is to stop someone buying these fake trezor and then selling them on a local amazon like market?

Nothing, and indeed fake Trezor devices have previously been sold: https://blog.trezor.io/psa-non-genuine-trezor-devices-979b64e359a7

Quote from: Orange Mango on October 05, 2019, 04:03:08 PM

Is there anyway to check if the device you have is real?
I bought a ledger and I am thinking I have no idea if it could be a hacked ledger or something?

Yes, there are ways to check that your Ledger is genuine.

First of all, you should only be buying directly from Ledger themselves, or maybe from one of their approved retailers: https://shop.ledger.com/pages/retailers/ (although I would suggest just going direct to Ledger to minimize any middlemen).

Secondly, when your device arrives, you should be following the instructions set out in their set up guide here: https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002481534

Verifying your Ledger device by connecting it to Ledger Live also serves as a check that it is genuine, as does updating it. There is currently no known exploit which would allow a fake or hacked device to verify itself against Ledger's server.

Note that if you are planning to update your device, ensure you have your 24 word phrase backed up before you do.

Thank you for such a good answer. I have no smerit to send you. Sad

I bought my ledger off an online market. It is checked well and you have buyer protection. My ledger was sealed and everything and is real. Noone tampered with it. I have been using it for 2 years now.
I was just worried when I heard all this so thanks for clearing this up for me.

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Quote from: Rmcdermott927 on October 09, 2019, 08:14:06 PM

I think it is partially cloudflare to blame for this. Someone with no knowledge of SSL certificates can easily make their site show a valid https certificate with the click of a button using cloudflare. They made it too easy.

Or Let’s Encrypt. You can literally spin a free SSL in 1 minute and with a single command. But this is something good and not an issue. Every single website in the earth should have it. That’s what puts a protection in the website against MITM attacks and someone sniffing the traffic.

SSL never meant “this website is legit”, this was just a false security thing. It was just more expensive to get one, but anyone still could get it if they wanted to.

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hmph..

Quote from: vlasrodz on October 10, 2019, 01:45:35 AM

Thank man
I see advertise of this website near 1 week ago. Now i see that this is scam. is there any websites where for example i can check all scams?

The best to do is you must check their domain name. There are lots of scam websites outside that we can't reported them All. But, if you know the real domain name/website of company, service, or project, etc. It will save you to be a victim of scammers. If that domain/website very strange for you, maybe you can check from google to find any scam website. Copy domain name, then type/paste it on google or other search engine services add your keywords with some words such as "scam, phishing, malware" or anything you want.

If it's related to crypto currency project, you can check atthis forum section lot of members reported scam project every day.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 05, 2019, 05:10:08 AM

https://i.ibb.co/T8jg1zP/Screen-Shot-2019-10-05-at-4-28-42-PM.png

https://twitter.com/lopp/status/1180165965071474688

Also the site has been taken down already, everyone should be really careful accessing very sensitive site like trezor or ledger as there has been a target for hackers. I'm glad that it was taken down in less than 24 hours, but what if no one has reported this and people keeps falling for this kind of trick?

So again, bookmark everything here and double check every site that you are going to access.

Thank man
I see advertise of this website near 1 week ago. Now i see that this is scam. is there any websites where for example i can check all scams?

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Quote from: DdmrDdmr on October 05, 2019, 08:28:15 AM

Quote from: chronicsky on October 05, 2019, 05:54:26 AM

<…>Do look up for https and secure connection (lock sign) to make sure the site is authentic

Not really. In fact, I’ve seen a couple of surveys stating that at least half of the phishing attempts now use https, knowing well that it was interpreted (incorrectly) as a synonymous to the site being safe.

This graphic depicts the surge in 2017 of https used on phishing sites, and how the trend is increasing (nearly) every quarter.

source: https://securityboulevard.com/2019/06/more-than-half-of-phishing-sites-now-use-https/

I think it is partially cloudflare to blame for this. Someone with no knowledge of SSL certificates can easily make their site show a valid https certificate with the click of a button using cloudflare. They made it too easy.

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Sometimes differentiating between true and fake websites is hard
But using plugins like Metacert,Sentinel Protocol and others could alert one when he is about visiting a fake site

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Quote from: TheBeardedBaby on October 06, 2019, 01:46:18 PM

Damn, thanks for the warning. I always write the url myself to be sure that I'm accessing the real site.
I never thought that I might make a typo and log in to a phishing one.
Normally I double check what I type. I do not really like the bookmarks even though it's the safest way od browsing, you have to be logged in to have your bookmarks across different devices, which makes it quite unsecure for me.

Copy and paste the real link into a text document and keep copy on each device that should prevent most security and privacy issues because you are not logging into anything. You could password protect the document if you had a need to do that but I can't think of any reason you would want too. You could create a dummy account alternatively just for the purpose of sharing bookmarks or you can export bookmarks via your browser and import them into any device.

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Damn, thanks for the warning. I always write the url myself to be sure that I'm accessing the real site.
I never thought that I might make a typo and log in to a phishing one.
Normally I double check what I type. I do not really like the bookmarks even though it's the safest way od browsing, you have to be logged in to have your bookmarks across different devices, which makes it quite unsecure for me.

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Even if you bookmark the sites that you always use doesn't mean it's 100% safe because bookmarks could also be hacked the same as the clipboard when you copy and paste different that what you have copied. Even if you bookmarked the website you should also check the site if it is the correct one before doing what you want to do in that site.

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Quote from: khaled0111 on October 05, 2019, 05:39:16 PM

Bookmarking you favorite websites is the best way to avoid being phished.
But it happens when you see a link and it looks legitimate and when clicking on it you get redirected to the phishing website.
exemple:
https:www.legitimate-link.com
If you click the previous link it will redirect you to a different site.

Good threads on how to avoid phishing attacks:
What to do to avoid phishing sites
Phishing Quizzes - Beginners & Experts

Good suggestions!
Even experienced members should stay updated with latest phishing news.
They create malicious websites every day, and even if I don't use Trezor I saw same thing for Ledger and Electrum.

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Bookmarking you favorite websites is the best way to avoid being phished.
But it happens when you see a link and it looks legitimate and when clicking on it you get redirected to the phishing website.
exemple:
https://www.legitimate-link.com
If you click the previous link it will redirect you to a different site.

Good threads on how to avoid phishing attacks:
What to do to avoid phishing sites
Phishing Quizzes - Beginners & Experts

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Quote from: chronicsky on October 05, 2019, 05:54:26 AM

Always bookmark your links and just use the official links for bank and wallet sites.

Unless malware will replace them with malicious links.
I know its very rare occurence but possible.
Im not sure it was real reason this person that described it first lost his funds. This is worryfying for trezor owners, is it really secure? I hope so, but security is not about hope.

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Quote from: Orange Mango on October 05, 2019, 04:03:08 PM

Ok this is scary. What is to stop someone buying these fake trezor and then selling them on a local amazon like market?

Nothing, and indeed fake Trezor devices have previously been sold: https://blog.trezor.io/psa-non-genuine-trezor-devices-979b64e359a7

Quote from: Orange Mango on October 05, 2019, 04:03:08 PM

Is there anyway to check if the device you have is real?
I bought a ledger and I am thinking I have no idea if it could be a hacked ledger or something?

Yes, there are ways to check that your Ledger is genuine.

First of all, you should only be buying directly from Ledger themselves, or maybe from one of their approved retailers: https://shop.ledger.com/pages/retailers/ (although I would suggest just going direct to Ledger to minimize any middlemen).

Secondly, when your device arrives, you should be following the instructions set out in their set up guide here: https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002481534

Verifying your Ledger device by connecting it to Ledger Live also serves as a check that it is genuine, as does updating it. There is currently no known exploit which would allow a fake or hacked device to verify itself against Ledger's server.

Note that if you are planning to update your device, ensure you have your 24 word phrase backed up before you do.

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Ok this is scary. What is to stop someone buying these fake trezor and then selling them on a local amazon like market? Is there anyway to check if the device you have is real?
This is disturbing to me. You have to be so careful just where you buy things from these days. I bought a ledger and I am thinking I have no idea if it could be a hacked ledger or something? This terrifies me.

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