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I believe the flat-Earthers of Bitcoin didn't give the people who are actually concerned, and who actually care any choice.

There are trolls who don't know they have become trolls.

https://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/comments/g373di/comment/fnvn75x

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exactly, the problem is many people created this image of who they wanted satoshi to be and now attack the real satoshi because he does not fit this image.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 27, 2020, 01:35:48 AM

I'm not "evangelizing", I'm telling the people the right information from the trolls' gaslighting and disinformation. You cannot simply ignore it.

Or this, https://twitter.com/andrespollan/status/1185455536084541441

No arguments there. All I'm saying is, don't shout louder than the crazy person, or people might mistake you for one and the same.

Call out the lies and deceptions where you see them, but just keep in mind not to take it too far. I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong, heh. It's all good.

As long as we're not taking a "we need to convert people to the light side before they can convert them to the dark side" kind of mentality, because that's a slippery slope. We're not able to stop every last person making a poor choice. And ramping up pro-BTC hype in an attempt to drown out the forkcoin rhetoric has notable and significant pitfalls.

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Quote from: DooMAD on June 26, 2020, 12:10:51 PM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 26, 2020, 04:13:02 AM

Quote from: DooMAD on June 25, 2020, 08:22:31 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 25, 2020, 02:25:53 AM

Would it be considered "adopting the opposite extreme" if a person believes that Bitcoin is actually an evolution of money, and a part of society's progression?

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

I guess the answer is a bit like the one I'd give to religious people. There's a limit to how hard you can push your beliefs onto others. It's fair to say that Faketoshi and Ver often cross that line in how far they push to sell their beliefs. We don't want to come across as shady used car salesmen who would say just about anything to rope someone in like they do. Basically just use common sense.

But is it "just a belief", or a natural progression, because of the technology available to us? Satoshi didn't actually "invent" anything. He used accessible open source technologies, and discovered that he could develop a breakthrough. It was natural progression in my opinion.

And that's valid, but for the uninitiated, you might as well be talking about sorcery, heh. They could mistakenly perceive us as a cult or something. Maybe I'm too cautious, but lately I just feel like it's better to let people get there on their own rather than us acting like evangelists and trying to convert them.

I'm not "evangelizing", I'm telling the people the right information from the trolls' gaslighting and disinformation. You cannot simply ignore it.

Or this, https://twitter.com/andrespollan/status/1185455536084541441

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 26, 2020, 04:13:02 AM

Quote from: DooMAD on June 25, 2020, 08:22:31 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 25, 2020, 02:25:53 AM

Would it be considered "adopting the opposite extreme" if a person believes that Bitcoin is actually an evolution of money, and a part of society's progression?

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

I guess the answer is a bit like the one I'd give to religious people. There's a limit to how hard you can push your beliefs onto others. It's fair to say that Faketoshi and Ver often cross that line in how far they push to sell their beliefs. We don't want to come across as shady used car salesmen who would say just about anything to rope someone in like they do. Basically just use common sense.

But is it "just a belief", or a natural progression, because of the technology available to us? Satoshi didn't actually "invent" anything. He used accessible open source technologies, and discovered that he could develop a breakthrough. It was natural progression in my opinion.

And that's valid, but for the uninitiated, you might as well be talking about sorcery, heh. They could mistakenly perceive us as a cult or something. Maybe I'm too cautious, but lately I just feel like it's better to let people get there on their own rather than us acting like evangelists and trying to convert them.

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Quote from: DooMAD on June 25, 2020, 08:22:31 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 25, 2020, 02:25:53 AM

Would it be considered "adopting the opposite extreme" if a person believes that Bitcoin is actually an evolution of money, and a part of society's progression?

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

I guess the answer is a bit like the one I'd give to religious people. There's a limit to how hard you can push your beliefs onto others. It's fair to say that Faketoshi and Ver often cross that line in how far they push to sell their beliefs. We don't want to come across as shady used car salesmen who would say just about anything to rope someone in like they do. Basically just use common sense.

But is it "just a belief", or a natural progression, because of the technology available to us? Satoshi didn't actually "invent" anything. He used accessible open source technologies, and discovered that he could develop a breakthrough. It was natural progression in my opinion.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 25, 2020, 02:25:53 AM

Would it be considered "adopting the opposite extreme" if a person believes that Bitcoin is actually an evolution of money, and a part of society's progression?

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

I guess the answer is a bit like the one I'd give to religious people. There's a limit to how hard you can push your beliefs onto others. It's fair to say that Faketoshi and Ver often cross that line in how far they push to sell their beliefs. We don't want to come across as shady used car salesmen who would say just about anything to rope someone in like they do. Basically just use common sense.

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Quote from: DooMAD on June 23, 2020, 05:35:13 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 23, 2020, 12:58:38 AM

Then there are people like Craig Wright, from Bitcoin's flat-earth community, who tell you to sell your Bitcoin, maybe to them, to HODL an alt-alt-shitcoin, and they gaslight you that it's the "real Bitcoin". That's who we should be more concerned about.

I wouldn't tell people to sell their house to buy Bitcoin, but if Bitcoin is truly our hedge/fall-back/opt out mechanism in case the government can't maintain economic stability anymore. Then I believe selling the house to HODL Bitcoin MIGHT not be a bad proposition.

I can see the temptation when witnessing the extremism of Faketoshi to then adopt the opposite extreme, but that's seldom a healthy path. We can easily combat the FUD without overselling the benefits of Bitcoin. It's generally best to maintain a healthy dose of realism, since this is all still a little bit experimental.

There's almost a potential of legitimising your opponent if you begin to resort to the same style of tactics they use. Avoid lowering yourself to their level. We don't need to become militant or adopt high-pressure sales tactics. That's just going to put people off and make them think we're as crazy as Faketoshi.

Would it be considered "adopting the opposite extreme" if a person believes that Bitcoin is actually an evolution of money, and a part of society's progression?

https://nakamotoinstitute.org/shelling-out/

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 23, 2020, 12:58:38 AM

Then there are people like Craig Wright, from Bitcoin's flat-earth community, who tell you to sell your Bitcoin, maybe to them, to HODL an alt-alt-shitcoin, and they gaslight you that it's the "real Bitcoin". That's who we should be more concerned about.

I wouldn't tell people to sell their house to buy Bitcoin, but if Bitcoin is truly our hedge/fall-back/opt out mechanism in case the government can't maintain economic stability anymore. Then I believe selling the house to HODL Bitcoin MIGHT not be a bad proposition.

I can see the temptation when witnessing the extremism of Faketoshi to then adopt the opposite extreme, but that's seldom a healthy path. We can easily combat the FUD without overselling the benefits of Bitcoin. It's generally best to maintain a healthy dose of realism, since this is all still a little bit experimental.

There's almost a potential of legitimising your opponent if you begin to resort to the same style of tactics they use. Avoid lowering yourself to their level. We don't need to become militant or adopt high-pressure sales tactics. That's just going to put people off and make them think we're as crazy as Faketoshi.

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 22, 2020, 06:36:13 AM

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You can leave Roger Ver alone, scamming people, but you want actual Bitcoiners to stop telling newbies that Bitcoin is Bitcoin Core?

Um no, I'm referencing your Carlos Matos share. There are copies of him out there just telling people to go sell their houses and go all in on Bitcoin and selling it like it's a ponzi. That's who I'm more concerned about because then we get all kinds of people buying "Bitcoin" on apps and exchanges thinking they actually have Bitcoin and that it's going to revolutionise their shit and get them lambos and hos.

Maybe if we get less of them we'd not get people borrowing from banks to buy Bitcoin and then face jail cause they defaulted when someone forgot to tell them Bitcoin won't make them overnight millionaires.

Then there are people like Craig Wright, from Bitcoin's flat-earth community, who tell you to sell your Bitcoin, maybe to them, to HODL an alt-alt-shitcoin, and they gaslight you that it's the "real Bitcoin". That's who we should be more concerned about.

I wouldn't tell people to sell their house to buy Bitcoin, but if Bitcoin is truly our hedge/fall-back/opt out mechanism in case the government can't maintain economic stability anymore. Then I believe selling the house to HODL Bitcoin MIGHT not be a bad proposition.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 22, 2020, 06:20:53 AM

You can leave Roger Ver alone, scamming people, but you want actual Bitcoiners to stop telling newbies that Bitcoin is Bitcoin Core?

Um no, I'm referencing your Carlos Matos share. There are copies of him out there just telling people to go sell their houses and go all in on Bitcoin and selling it like it's a ponzi. That's who I'm more concerned about because then we get all kinds of people buying "Bitcoin" on apps and exchanges thinking they actually have Bitcoin and that it's going to revolutionise their shit and get them lambos and hos.

Maybe if we get less of them we'd not get people borrowing from banks to buy Bitcoin and then face jail cause they defaulted when someone forgot to tell them Bitcoin won't make them overnight millionaires.

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 22, 2020, 01:36:58 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 22, 2020, 01:30:08 AM

It's for the community to educate the newbies too, and it's very important that they get their information from the RIGHT PEOPLE first. OR someone named Kevin Pham/Roger Ver will gaslight them into believing that BSV is the real Bitcoin, or BCH is the real Bitcoin.

Lawls Carlos Matos, you know he's all cleaned up and admitted he lost money and all that yeah? They don't wise up though, they just wash rinse and repeat but anyway, I'm less worried about guys like him and Ver gaslighting people... I tend to believe over time that people who fall for scams will fall for them anyway no matter how much we try to prevent it. We can delay it but perhaps the faster they learn, the better for them.

It's the guys who actually ARE promoting Bitcoin with the exact same language I wish would pipe down a bit more=p

You can leave Roger Ver alone, scamming people, but you want actual Bitcoiners to stop telling newbies that Bitcoin is Bitcoin Core?

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We (Real Bitcoin BTC supporters) should create a website called Bitcoin, "BitcoinThetruth.com" or something similar.. where opportunity is given under proper moderation to debunk this kind of misinformation. Someone can post a questionable article or link and then people with proper knowledge can post links to the facts to debunk it.

There should be a army of Bitcoin (BTC) supporters that are actively debunking content like this. People should report it on this platform and then if there are opportunities to reply or comment on these articles, then this army should go there and spam it with the truth. (Most of these people disable the comments or they just use media where there are no options to debate it)

Should someone read this article and then decide to Google more information about it, then they might land on this website where this is debunked. Wink

(Something similar to https://badbitcoin.org/ badlist to show people what sites are scams)

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 22, 2020, 01:30:08 AM

It's for the community to educate the newbies too, and it's very important that they get their information from the RIGHT PEOPLE first. OR someone named Kevin Pham/Roger Ver will gaslight them into believing that BSV is the real Bitcoin, or BCH is the real Bitcoin.

Lawls Carlos Matos, you know he's all cleaned up and admitted he lost money and all that yeah? They don't wise up though, they just wash rinse and repeat but anyway, I'm less worried about guys like him and Ver gaslighting people... I tend to believe over time that people who fall for scams will fall for them anyway no matter how much we try to prevent it. We can delay it but perhaps the faster they learn, the better for them.

It's the guys who actually ARE promoting Bitcoin with the exact same language I wish would pipe down a bit more=p

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Quote from: buwaytress on June 01, 2020, 01:12:54 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 01, 2020, 12:16:19 AM

It's not, concerning "if Craig Wright is actually Satoshi". He's a con-artist, a Borat-like character created to take your Bitcoin away from your hands, in exchange for what? A forked alt-altcoin, forked from a forked shitcoin. Hooray!

Oh, for us, it can't be plainer than plain. I guess I meant to say that, compared to when I first tried looking up information in 2013, and when I actually looked to get my first BTC in 2016, looking online for the newbie today might not be as straightforward. I think the CW issue's plain as well, but it appears it isn't for some people. I don't know how it'll look for a n00b either.

It's for the community to educate the newbies too, and it's very important that they get their information from the RIGHT PEOPLE first. OR someone named Kevin Pham/Roger Ver will gaslight them into believing that BSV is the real Bitcoin, or BCH is the real Bitcoin.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on June 01, 2020, 12:16:19 AM

It's not, concerning "if Craig Wright is actually Satoshi". He's a con-artist, a Borat-like character created to take your Bitcoin away from your hands, in exchange for what? A forked alt-altcoin, forked from a forked shitcoin. Hooray!

Oh, for us, it can't be plainer than plain. I guess I meant to say that, compared to when I first tried looking up information in 2013, and when I actually looked to get my first BTC in 2016, looking online for the newbie today might not be as straightforward. I think the CW issue's plain as well, but it appears it isn't for some people. I don't know how it'll look for a n00b either.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on May 26, 2020, 12:56:13 AM

I TRULY hope that the "total newbie" WOULD verify for themselves, but many don't in my opinion. It depends on who in the community talks to them first. If Roger talks to them first, he tells them to buy Bitcoin in, https://www.bitcoin.com.

Click "Buy Bitcoin", what do you see?

Plus, there's a deficiency of education for Bitcoin topics, especially in the forum. Check my "Bitcoin Education Poll".

I agree it's usually who you get to see or talk to first that forms the strongest opinion, and when I first got it, there was really little or no threat to see anything other than Bitcoin.

Got to admit it's not such a straight path to Rome these days. But the deficiency of ease of access has always been there I think. What's new is more things to obscure the access, harder now to see the line between misinformation.

It's not, concerning "if Craig Wright is actually Satoshi". He's a con-artist, a Borat-like character created to take your Bitcoin away from your hands, in exchange for what? A forked alt-altcoin, forked from a forked shitcoin. Hooray!

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I think it should be seen as a propaganda video for BCH & BSV I think most of us know by now these shit coin creators are doing nothing more than trying to manipulate the true history of bitcoin to there narrative for financial gain.

After the bombshell dropped on Craig with those addresses being signed I think we will see more false claims surface over the next few months as things heat up but I think a lot of people now are starting to see what there real agenda's are.

@Greg I saw this surface today on Twitter and wondered if this was a fake or a legit email.

I see it making the rounds on twitter today but you can never be too sure if it's a fake or not I would have expected if it was real to have PGP which I don't see in the email which raised questions.

Keep up the good work everyone BSV + BCH won't and can't keep up this fraud much longer.

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Quote from: Wind_FURY on May 26, 2020, 12:56:13 AM

I TRULY hope that the "total newbie" WOULD verify for themselves, but many don't in my opinion. It depends on who in the community talks to them first. If Roger talks to them first, he tells them to buy Bitcoin in, https://www.bitcoin.com.

Click "Buy Bitcoin", what do you see?

Plus, there's a deficiency of education for Bitcoin topics, especially in the forum. Check my "Bitcoin Education Poll".

I agree it's usually who you get to see or talk to first that forms the strongest opinion, and when I first got it, there was really little or no threat to see anything other than Bitcoin.

Got to admit it's not such a straight path to Rome these days. But the deficiency of ease of access has always been there I think. What's new is more things to obscure the access, harder now to see the line between misinformation.

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Quote from: buwaytress on May 24, 2020, 06:28:40 AM

Quote from: Wind_FURY on May 24, 2020, 05:46:46 AM

But is it truly its intended audience? I believe their target-audience are newbies, easily scammed, and who would be thankful that they have "found Bitcoin", https://twitter.com/andrespollan/status/1185455536084541441

Maybe you're right, but a total newbie looking for Bitcoin should find many other different sources, whether Duckduckgo, google, bing, whatever. They should at least be looking at Bitcoin first. I can't recall ever seeing other than Bitcoin unless I go to Bitcoin.com or surf Twitter.

And if these guys surf Twitter and believe in influencers rather than the white paper, or what's obvious, well, that's the audience, after all.

I TRULY hope that the "total newbie" WOULD verify for themselves, but many don't in my opinion. It depends on who in the community talks to them first. If Roger talks to them first, he tells them to buy Bitcoin in, https://www.bitcoin.com.

Click "Buy Bitcoin", what do you see?

Plus, there's a deficiency of education for Bitcoin topics, especially in the forum. Check my "Bitcoin Education Poll".

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Under a different name "Slightly Sociable" Cheesy

they posted rather long response to what they were not able to defend their actions to what they were saying on the explanation by tone vays and jimmy song of why Adam could not be satoshi.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/unmasking-satoshi-nakamoto-surfaces-and-talks-about-members-of-this-forum-5248801
I will rename the thread to "slightly sociable on reactions to his video".

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