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Topic: Wash Trading: Markets manipulation - page 2. (Read 396 times)

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December 17, 2018, 04:52:41 PM
#10
Obviously there's no way of knowing, but it's rather more important to know who's wash trading. If it's the actual customers then I'm not too bothered. That's what enough assholes do already.

If it's purely the exchanges themselves, and I'll guess most of the time it is, then that's much more odious.

why is that? with volume pumping, i figure the exchanges are just trying to exaggerate volume and liquidity to attract more traders. some relatively innocuous algorithm that amplifies volumes without necessarily manipulating the market much (since everything is amplified).

if traders are doing it, i assume their intention is always bad. rationally, there's no reason for traders to engage in that behavior unless they are trying to manipulate price.

It is most certainly the traders. Manipulating the price means they profit from the activity. Traders are in it for the profit, not for the altruistic win. It is within the interest of the exchanges to allow Wash Trading, or rather, not disallow or actively monitor for it since this activity is not yet prohibited via regulation. Exchanges are also in it to make a profit. If the traders engage in this behavior then not only do exchanges benefit from the fees derived from the aforementioned, but also the positive side effects from exaggerated volumes.
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Welt Am Draht
December 17, 2018, 04:46:58 PM
#9
why is that? with volume pumping, i figure the exchanges are just trying to exaggerate volume and liquidity to attract more traders. some relatively innocuous algorithm that amplifies volumes without necessarily manipulating the market much (since everything is amplified).

if traders are doing it, i assume their intention is always bad. rationally, there's no reason for traders to engage in that behavior unless they are trying to manipulate price.

If an exchange is willing to pump the shit out of their volumes then I'll also assume that they're willing to front run the shit out of their customers too. They're attracting customers by deception so I can't imagine the deception will stop there in many a case.

I naturally assume traders themselves are out to fuck as many people as possible and their wash trading is just a part of that.

legendary
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December 17, 2018, 04:23:36 PM
#8
Obviously there's no way of knowing, but it's rather more important to know who's wash trading. If it's the actual customers then I'm not too bothered. That's what enough assholes do already.

If it's purely the exchanges themselves, and I'll guess most of the time it is, then that's much more odious.

why is that? with volume pumping, i figure the exchanges are just trying to exaggerate volume and liquidity to attract more traders. some relatively innocuous algorithm that amplifies volumes without necessarily manipulating the market much (since everything is amplified).

if traders are doing it, i assume their intention is always bad. rationally, there's no reason for traders to engage in that behavior unless they are trying to manipulate price.
legendary
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December 17, 2018, 03:16:39 PM
#7
In the past, there have been concerns about money laundering taking place in the crypto community but there seems to be a new kind of scam happening in what is known as "Wash Trading".
Where the exploiters/investors are buying and selling the same tokens in order to create an imaginary volume or improve the reputation of the platform or exaggerate the values of trading.

According to this report[1], most of Okex’s volume was fake "only 11% was deemed as a real", coinbene was the worst "1% real".

Based on this data over 80% of the CMC top 25 BTC pairs volume is wash traded.

It's been going on for a long time. Huobi was the first to use this kind of volume churning on a major level. If you load their chart on Bitcoinwisdom, you can see when it began in Q3 of 2015. OKcoin started the same shortly after, then it spread like wildfire to Chinese exchanges generally and the increasingly important futures exchanges (OKcoin and BitVC). In the 2017 bull run, Korean and Japanese exchanges were widely believed to have pumped their volume too. The practice is definitely used to varying degrees across many exchanges.
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Welt Am Draht
December 17, 2018, 02:56:32 PM
#6
Obviously there's no way of knowing, but it's rather more important to know who's wash trading. If it's the actual customers then I'm not too bothered. That's what enough assholes do already.

If it's purely the exchanges themselves, and I'll guess most of the time it is, then that's much more odious.
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December 17, 2018, 02:18:45 PM
#5
Having invested in to some altcoins that are on these exchanges I wish that they'd delist their token, similarly I wish that coinmarketcap and other such sites would stop listing them and recognizing their prices. It only further promotes them and allows more people to fall in to the trap of thinking it is legitimate.

Believe it or not but CoinMarketCap mostly lists the supposed "good" players in the market. There are lots more bad players out there.
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December 17, 2018, 01:08:30 PM
#4
Having invested in to some altcoins that are on these exchanges I wish that they'd delist their token, similarly I wish that coinmarketcap and other such sites would stop listing them and recognizing their prices. It only further promotes them and allows more people to fall in to the trap of thinking it is legitimate.
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December 17, 2018, 12:37:40 PM
#3
In the past, there have been concerns about money laundering taking place in the crypto community but there seems to be a new kind of scam happening in what is known as "Wash Trading".

It's most unfortunate to note that Wash Trading is not new at all, it was first banned in 1936! See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wash_trade

If a rogue trader couples leveraged trading with Wash Trading I suspect you don't need much to manipulate a market.

Regulated exchanges would force all players to adhere to these rules, which makes a better environment for all of us.



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Trooper Founder & CEO
December 17, 2018, 11:45:00 AM
#2
HACKEN (https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/hacken/)  is talking about that for some time.
Interesting Post about your topic: https://blog.hacken.io/fake-volume-investigations-summary

Also, Binance`s Non-profit organization is an interesting thing...
legendary
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December 17, 2018, 10:57:48 AM
#1
In the past, there have been concerns about money laundering taking place in the crypto community but there seems to be a new kind of scam happening in what is known as "Wash Trading".
Where the exploiters/investors are buying and selling the same tokens in order to create an imaginary volume or improve the reputation of the platform or exaggerate the values of trading.


According to this report[1], most of Okex’s volume was fake "only 11% was deemed as a real", coinbene was the worst "1% real".


Based on this data over 80% of the CMC top 25 BTC pairs volume is wash traded.

[1] https://www.blockchaintransparency.org/

Wash Trading is a form of market manipulation in which an investor simultaneously sells and buys the same financial instruments to create misleading, artificial activity in the marketplace.
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