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Soul_eater_123

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Definitly there are some 1% and stil waiting for joe and sally jump on the train. You dont need $10 Mill. to put in a coin to have a value of $10 Mill. You will need a certain amount for sure, but not the $10 Mill. So it can continue like that, if the people see the value inside the coin.

Waves is a completely waste of time. Its having dubios structure of people involved. SuperNet, Coinomat Scam and other dead assets devs want to cash out fast. I would not put a dime in it, and i can predict alot of people will lose money. Hopefully just enough they can afford to lose.

Lisk is for sure a good bet to buy on the release, everybody can say.

You hate Waves yet you are giving free BJs to Lisk and DAO? Note I'm not dissing those projects I just don't understand your irrational fear of Waves and yet your absolute belief in those other projects which are just as unproven. It makes no sense.

Soul_eater_123

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Quote from: trademark on May 10, 2016, 09:05:33 AM

Not sure why people keep saying the more btc that gets dumped into waves, the higher the price of each wave will be. Yes, that is maybe true but if you guys really think each wave is worth $1 minimum, wouldn't having more waves be better? The higher the price of each wave is when launched, the harder it is to make a nice profit on it. It is much easier for the price of a coin to double or triple from 1 cent than from 1 dollar. Anyways, that's my opinion and there's really nothing anyone can do about people investing in waves. It is what it is. Good luck all.

More BTC = More Hype = More people buying = More FOMO = More Demand = higher potential price per Wave

Soul_eater_123

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Quote from: Netnox on May 10, 2016, 12:33:16 PM

The price is extremely low, around 0.00009..

That is meaningless.

Bobo81

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Quote from: jjc326 on May 10, 2016, 10:34:22 AM

Quote from: 110110101 on May 10, 2016, 07:29:40 AM

See the google docs that user Bobo81 has made. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-G1LMDjAX9roVJDuhVewGG_pykSLIprWAElwO-6TcRA/edit?usp=sharing

You can see that the amount of Waves tokens you receive goes down as the more BTC is invested. However, as more BTC is invested, the value of each Waves token goes up. So you are not losing out on any value, it is just being represented in an different matter (more valuable tokens rather than many tokens that each have lesser value).

Thank you for the clear explanation sir!
And thanks to Bobo81 for his great work, will be useful to follow this ICO!

You're welcome!

lokojones

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Quote from: electronicash on May 10, 2016, 12:37:08 PM

IS it going to be too late for me if I now join the signature campaign and will the devs update the google sheet file after i join?
I wouldn't wnat to waste my time posting if i don't see my name and got accepted as the status should be.

Its not too late, as long as you make atleast 50 posts before end of ICO i think!?

i think you need make 50 post with signature attached

lokojones

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I dont see any problem with this project, its transparent, clear and well executed. Probably more risky than lisk, but clearly devs wants to succeed... just look at past comments regarding ETH, tonnes of FUD, but agree 100% that we are in age of ICOs bubbles and not every project will succeed

IOTUSA

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Nice! Over 8000 BTC now! Cool

still below lisk i think, but it's crazy that people are willing to invest so much in ico, i think they still believe that these ico will increase like ethereum, i think not, but we shall see

We are definitely in the peak ICO bubble phase. People are throwing money at any coin expecting a instant 10x return.

i dont think its the peak of the bubble. maybe in some months. its depending how many projects will turn being unsuccessful and will lose money.

waves, i can tell you is the biggest bubble ever. shady organisation, you dont know exactly who is working for them or with them.

they are talking about a team of 15 people. but who are they? they have just some of them listed. yesterday they announce working together with mycelium. but you feel there something wrong of the facts people can read everywhere.

just stay away and dont lose your money with this trap here.

with the ethereum dao you could lose when eth is finished going down, but still alot of too high and will drop like a stone and with it your dao money. the only cheap coin at the moment is lisk at the start.

Thank you for your based-on-ignorance-opinion, now please head back to the Lisk thread.

(Can't even imagine why these kinds of people come here and state things that were answered transparently 1000x times already.)

Its not an ICO bubble yet, because it's not a 'common market' yet. People always forget that the people here, and involved in Bitcoin are the 1% when it comes to the future of decentralization and fintech. Sure, it may seem 'odd' that you can put 1 btc in and take 10+ out of every ICO, but that's because we are essentially insiders. Once a project 'lands' in the mainstream and joe and sally can toss some BTC at it, value rises.

Definitly there are some 1% and stil waiting for joe and sally jump on the train. You dont need $10 Mill. to put in a coin to have a value of $10 Mill. You will need a certain amount for sure, but not the $10 Mill. So it can continue like that, if the people see the value inside the coin.

Waves is a completely waste of time. Its having dubios structure of people involved. SuperNet, Coinomat Scam and other dead assets devs want to cash out fast. I would not put a dime in it, and i can predict alot of people will lose money. Hopefully just enough they can afford to lose.

Lisk is for sure a good bet to buy on the release, everybody can say.

Pretty sure Mycelium wouldn't have picked Waves over Counterparty, Monero, Lisk, and Ethereum if they didn't think it was the best platform. But you go ahead stay out. So much more fun to laugh at launch when some children that missed the sale are crying.

Coaxme

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Why my name not listed in signature campaign spreadsheet? Please dont remove me.

danielj314

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Quote from: IOTUSA on May 10, 2016, 11:17:48 AM

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Nice! Over 8000 BTC now! Cool

still below lisk i think, but it's crazy that people are willing to invest so much in ico, i think they still believe that these ico will increase like ethereum, i think not, but we shall see

We are definitely in the peak ICO bubble phase. People are throwing money at any coin expecting a instant 10x return.

i dont think its the peak of the bubble. maybe in some months. its depending how many projects will turn being unsuccessful and will lose money.

waves, i can tell you is the biggest bubble ever. shady organisation, you dont know exactly who is working for them or with them.

they are talking about a team of 15 people. but who are they? they have just some of them listed. yesterday they announce working together with mycelium. but you feel there something wrong of the facts people can read everywhere.

just stay away and dont lose your money with this trap here.

with the ethereum dao you could lose when eth is finished going down, but still alot of too high and will drop like a stone and with it your dao money. the only cheap coin at the moment is lisk at the start.

Thank you for your based-on-ignorance-opinion, now please head back to the Lisk thread.

(Can't even imagine why these kinds of people come here and state things that were answered transparently 1000x times already.)

Its not an ICO bubble yet, because it's not a 'common market' yet. People always forget that the people here, and involved in Bitcoin are the 1% when it comes to the future of decentralization and fintech. Sure, it may seem 'odd' that you can put 1 btc in and take 10+ out of every ICO, but that's because we are essentially insiders. Once a project 'lands' in the mainstream and joe and sally can toss some BTC at it, value rises.

Definitly there are some 1% and stil waiting for joe and sally jump on the train. You dont need $10 Mill. to put in a coin to have a value of $10 Mill. You will need a certain amount for sure, but not the $10 Mill. So it can continue like that, if the people see the value inside the coin.

Waves is a completely waste of time. Its having dubios structure of people involved. SuperNet, Coinomat Scam and other dead assets devs want to cash out fast. I would not put a dime in it, and i can predict alot of people will lose money. Hopefully just enough they can afford to lose.

Lisk is for sure a good bet to buy on the release, everybody can say.

I'm not sure who would want to trust your dubious observations and analysis. You might want to begin by learning how to spell dubious.

Your kind of negativity is not needed on this thread. You've made your point. Now kindly return to the Lisk threads where your brand of discourse fits right in.

werneo

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Who bought all WAVES' last 2 days. It's unrealistic amount of money comes from somebody.

Noticed that as well. it got into me taht it must be a big whale. my waves were down to 30% due to that sale. i wonder who.
They probably see the waves to have a real good potential in the later months.

http://blockr.io/tx/info/94f00df93d616b96de3423e15e62b4331ab37723b843a0180efe982de6984836

You can check the escrow transactions. Looks like someone invested 866BTC over the weekend...

Escrow transaction history - http://blockr.io/address/info/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

A good if the ICO is not growing too much (15-20 kBTC max, and the lasts days are big days).

Waves investors are exuberant today but if the ICO goes too far too soon, then those same investors might sell when trading starts. Alt coins often go down in value as soon as general trading begins. I don't know where the price will go, but it seems like this extended ICO period increases the risk of early dumpage.

Could you explain why do you think an extended ICO increases the risk of early dumpage.

There is a lot of excitement these days about ICOs, and with the big run up in Etherum prices this year, lots of people are flush and are looking for the next big thing to invest in. http://cryptohustle.com/are-the-crypto-markets-in-an-ico-bubble With all of this money going into ICOs, people are expecting a big return and are waiting to sell when the price rises. With this long ICO period, some people will want to sell their waves on the first day of trading, and if the price starts to sink, investors are going to sell. It could be snowball effect out the gate. That doesn't necessarily predict the long term price of waves, but I've seen lots of coins sell hard on the first day of trading. Waves has an ICO lasting 6 weeks. That means lots of speculators have plenty of time to get in. The more people are involved in waves ICO speculation, the more likely someone is going to sell as soon as they can, and that could lead to cascade of falling prices.

I'm not saying it's going to happen. I think a lot will depend on BTC prices and the health of alt coin markets on the day that waves start trading. But definitely with this looooong ICO there is a risk of price plummet.

Thank you for such attentive explanation .I understand what you've said and it makes sense. I just don't think it's a problem or need to worry about. More people involved means wide distribution what is positive by all means. And selling something at the opening if price is reasonable is normal and necessary thing to do ,to get your risk covered .But that is done just by tinny fishes because to do it for whales wouldn't make any sense(you can see it from trading volume) .So for the price to fall at the beginning is very positive-it shows that asset is not concentrated in one of few hands but distributed at least a bit wider.

Wonder if it makes any sense? Undecided

Good point about whales v. fishes. So let the fishes try to escape on game day. Whales eat krill, after all. Wink

werneo

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Quote from: 110110101 on May 10, 2016, 05:48:59 AM

Quote from: Tasunko on May 10, 2016, 05:20:47 AM

I bought WAVES from ICO

Congratulations, and let's hope for a nice price appreciation Wink

My hope is x1000 + 20%. Grin

Zebedee23

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Quote from: electronicash on May 10, 2016, 12:37:08 PM

IS it going to be too late for me if I now join the signature campaign and will the devs update the google sheet file after i join?
I wouldn't wnat to waste my time posting if i don't see my name and got accepted as the status should be.

Its not too late, as long as you make atleast 50 posts before end of ICO i think!?

electronicash

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IS it going to be too late for me if I now join the signature campaign and will the devs update the google sheet file after i join?
I wouldn't wnat to waste my time posting if i don't see my name and got accepted as the status should be.

Netnox

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The price is extremely low, around 0.00009..

At such price at the exchange there isn't really a profit to be made, its break evenish, but such price also means there is lots of room to go up.

x13

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Things are called shit for a reason, dear.

When will the ICO officially be ended? And will be the WAVES be distributed to the investors. I could find a roadmap. Thanks!

Quote from: Coaxme on May 10, 2016, 08:47:37 AM

Quote from: crilleaz on May 10, 2016, 07:48:23 AM

Anyone calculated how much we will drive for the signature campaign?

300,000 Waves will divided to all participant after the ICO, and will contact all the participant on how to transfer.

BTCdoaA

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Quote from: 110110101 on May 10, 2016, 07:29:40 AM

Quote from: jjc326 on May 10, 2016, 07:19:46 AM

Quote from: dzhan on May 10, 2016, 12:35:47 AM

Nice! Over 8000 BTC now! Cool

I still don't know (and don't understand) if this amount it's good or not for who has already invest!
I mean, if the BTC collected are increasing I'll get less Waves right?

See the google docs that user Bobo81 has made. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-G1LMDjAX9roVJDuhVewGG_pykSLIprWAElwO-6TcRA/edit?usp=sharing

You can see that the amount of Waves tokens you receive goes down as the more BTC is invested. However, as more BTC is invested, the value of each Waves token goes up. So you are not losing out on any value, it is just being represented in an different matter (more valuable tokens rather than many tokens that each have lesser value).

Quote from: Bobo81 on May 10, 2016, 07:21:17 AM

Quote from: 110110101 on May 10, 2016, 07:17:19 AM

Thanks for the update to your spreadsheet @Bobo81. Nice to see what the price of Waves/BTC and USD is, also that the value per Waves token goes up with the increased funding.

Absolutely!

Almost a 100% increase!

Thank You for sharing

IOTUSA

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Nice! Over 8000 BTC now! Cool

still below lisk i think, but it's crazy that people are willing to invest so much in ico, i think they still believe that these ico will increase like ethereum, i think not, but we shall see

We are definitely in the peak ICO bubble phase. People are throwing money at any coin expecting a instant 10x return.

i dont think its the peak of the bubble. maybe in some months. its depending how many projects will turn being unsuccessful and will lose money.

waves, i can tell you is the biggest bubble ever. shady organisation, you dont know exactly who is working for them or with them.

they are talking about a team of 15 people. but who are they? they have just some of them listed. yesterday they announce working together with mycelium. but you feel there something wrong of the facts people can read everywhere.

just stay away and dont lose your money with this trap here.

with the ethereum dao you could lose when eth is finished going down, but still alot of too high and will drop like a stone and with it your dao money. the only cheap coin at the moment is lisk at the start.

Thank you for your based-on-ignorance-opinion, now please head back to the Lisk thread.

(Can't even imagine why these kinds of people come here and state things that were answered transparently 1000x times already.)

Its not an ICO bubble yet, because it's not a 'common market' yet. People always forget that the people here, and involved in Bitcoin are the 1% when it comes to the future of decentralization and fintech. Sure, it may seem 'odd' that you can put 1 btc in and take 10+ out of every ICO, but that's because we are essentially insiders. Once a project 'lands' in the mainstream and joe and sally can toss some BTC at it, value rises.

IOTUSA

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Who bought all WAVES' last 2 days. It's unrealistic amount of money comes from somebody.

Noticed that as well. it got into me taht it must be a big whale. my waves were down to 30% due to that sale. i wonder who.
They probably see the waves to have a real good potential in the later months.

http://blockr.io/tx/info/94f00df93d616b96de3423e15e62b4331ab37723b843a0180efe982de6984836

You can check the escrow transactions. Looks like someone invested 866BTC over the weekend...

Escrow transaction history - http://blockr.io/address/info/3DWBSSAue32YS8PcW2gLs6m52BCCv3UgDA

Is this a good thing or a bad thing?

A good if the ICO is not growing too much (15-20 kBTC max, and the lasts days are big days).

Waves investors are exuberant today but if the ICO goes too far too soon, then those same investors might sell when trading starts. Alt coins often go down in value as soon as general trading begins. I don't know where the price will go, but it seems like this extended ICO period increases the risk of early dumpage.

It's known who the 850+ BTC investor is. Just follow the transaction, it's Bigiotabig one of the main investors in IOTA post crowdsale, and the 1k BTC lisk investor.

Please provide proof...

Just look at the blockchain and his posted address in the IOTA thread. Not rocket science. His origin address has 3400 BTC

jjc326

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Quote from: 110110101 on May 10, 2016, 07:29:40 AM

See the google docs that user Bobo81 has made. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-G1LMDjAX9roVJDuhVewGG_pykSLIprWAElwO-6TcRA/edit?usp=sharing

You can see that the amount of Waves tokens you receive goes down as the more BTC is invested. However, as more BTC is invested, the value of each Waves token goes up. So you are not losing out on any value, it is just being represented in an different matter (more valuable tokens rather than many tokens that each have lesser value).

Thank you for the clear explanation sir!
And thanks to Bobo81 for his great work, will be useful to follow this ICO!

GreenMatrix

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Quote from: Bobo81 on May 10, 2016, 07:06:37 AM

As I said previously I updated my worksheet.

Sandiman don't want to continue his file so I add three columns:

. Waves/BTC

. 1 BTC = x Waves

. 1 Waves = x $

I don't use bounty in my formula.

Later, I will add new graphics.

Enjoy the Waves Wink

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-G1LMDjAX9roVJDuhVewGG_pykSLIprWAElwO-6TcRA/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks for the update to your spreadsheet @Bobo81. Great work!!! Wink

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