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Quote from: NorrisK on April 05, 2016, 01:27:55 AM

You mean the link that sends you to the signature sign up form? I cannot join the sig campaign until my other campaign ends, unfortunately.

Don't worry. According to the details of the campaign, as long as you wear the signature within one week(at the least) and make 50 posts, you will be rewarded the stakes corresponding to your rank.

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Quote from: MagicIsMe on April 05, 2016, 01:22:42 AM

Quote from: NorrisK on April 05, 2016, 01:14:08 AM

Is it me or can we only like the facebook page and not join it?

I assume liking the page is enough to be eligible for the bounty?

I did a little research and found the group here, created by Wavesplatform himself in his comment here. Hopefully this answers your query.

Thanks

EDIT: Looks more like a fan made group though. Any info on the people behind WAVES? Their identity etc?

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Quote from: NorrisK on April 05, 2016, 01:14:08 AM

Is it me or can we only like the facebook page and not join it?

I assume liking the page is enough to be eligable for the bounty?

You will have to register at the ICO site and have your twitter/facebook account validated in the profile, after the ICO ends you receive your bonus automatically.

You mean the link that sends you to the signature sign up form? I cannot join the sig campaign until my other campaign ends unfortunately.

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Quote from: NorrisK on April 05, 2016, 01:14:08 AM

Is it me or can we only like the facebook page and not join it?

I assume liking the page is enough to be eligable for the bounty?

You will have to register at the ICO site and have your twitter/facebook account validated in the profile, after the ICO ends you receive your bonus automatically.

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Quote from: NorrisK on April 05, 2016, 01:14:08 AM

Is it me or can we only like the facebook page and not join it?

I assume liking the page is enough to be eligible for the bounty?

I did a little research and found the group here, created by Wavesplatform himself in his comment here. Hopefully this answers your query.

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Quote from: JollyTrades on April 04, 2016, 06:51:54 PM

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Sorry for sounding harsh, I appreciate you are willing to help me out (although I am sure it's not because of altruism lol Cheesy

). Nevertheless, as an investor I am sure you realise that I am only interested in ROI. And your comparison does not quite make sense for me as an investor. When I buy shares I own a piece of a company, when I buy Waves tokens I own a coin that has less functionality than for example dogecoin. Because dogecoin can also be used just as well as Waves tokens on the Waves platform, but it also has functionality outside of the platform. So to me, it seems like investing in Waves tokens is like investing in absolutely worthless vanilla coins that people can buy when they feel like it, but why should they if they can just as easily put some dogecoins on the platform or any other crypto currency? As long as there is no clear connection between the Waves platform and the Waves tokens I simply can't see good prospects of a decent ROI...I like the idea of the platform though and I appreciate your responsiveness, I hope you will value my feedback and think things through... Wink

I see your point. You are asking the special relationship between "Waves the platform" and "Waves the coin." The network fees in the platform will be paid only in the underlying cryptocurrency, that is the essential connection. In order to operate in the platform, you will first need to buy the tokens. Otherwise, you would be right in your point that buying Waves tokens is meaningless from a purely investor approach.

Quote from: sjccrypto on April 04, 2016, 06:29:07 PM

You do realize that Uphold already has a working asset to asset business, ready now to use? Why would avg Joe want to use WAVES as opposed to already available, easy to use Uphold?

There is no user-created crypto-assets in Uphold. No financial intermediary institution can create its own assets without the assent of the company. No crowdfunding project can raise money there. So Uphold is basically and essentially a company, not a crypto-platform.

Will the fees be proportional to the size of transactions, say something within the range of 1-3 percent? This will guarantee a continual demand for Waves tokens? Also are banks also supposed to use the platform eventually? BTW can you explicitly confirm that fees can ONLY be paid with Waves tokens and not with fiat money or other crypto currencies? because right now your answer sounds a little ambiguous...

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Is it me or can we only like the facebook page and not join it?

I assume liking the page is enough to be eligable for the bounty?

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Quote from: MagicIsMe on April 04, 2016, 11:03:36 PM

I have already updated my signature. You can now update the spreadsheet as my status there was Pending. Also, will there be an issue once I get ranked up to Full Member? (That is after I update the signature to the corresponding rank.

Also, I have followed the official WAVES Twitter account with the username @kyle_reynoso and signed up for the newsletter using my email, [email protected].

May I create and maintain an official WAVES thread for the Philippines (Filipino)? Board here

EDIT: I have now joined the group in Facebook

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I have already updated my signature. You can now update the spreadsheet as my status there was Pending. Also, will there be an issue once I get ranked up to Full Member? (That is after I update the signature to the corresponding rank.

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Quote from: iambitcoin5 on April 04, 2016, 09:56:02 PM

Exactly. Waves is more futuristic.

lol, cmon now.

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Quote from: Arkh on April 04, 2016, 09:49:30 PM

From my quick understanding after looking at uphold's website, it only act as a financial reserve in some curency and assets (such as gold).
Can you crowfund your project in a decentralized way using uphold and then trade the asset on a blockchain ?
If no then uphold and waves have a very different design.
If yes can you provide me with a link so I can check it out ? (real question)

Thanks

As far as I know, you can't crowdfund on Uphold's platform, but then again, I'm not a developer.

They have a different design, but again how many Joe's want to crowdfund? And if so, why not use ETH? or the 10 others that you can crowdfund on. If you want to FIAT conversion, which is a big selling point for WAVES, it's already here. Uphold, Coinbase, Tether, SuperNET. Shapeshift for alts, and even sasha's own coinomat for alts + how many others?

But the point is about mass adoption, unless it's simplified for the masses, I don't see it going mainstream. This doesn't mean WAVES can't be successful but always good to know who you are competing against.

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Quote from: Arkh on April 04, 2016, 09:49:30 PM

Quote from: sjccrypto on April 04, 2016, 07:29:09 PM

Quote from: sjccrypto on April 04, 2016, 07:14:05 PM

They have Bitcoin and Voxel (uphold created). If they wanted more profit, they would add ETH and other currencies in due time. Unknown if that's in their plans, so if WAVES can get the not even born atomic trade functionality working, might be a selling point. But right now it's just in the idea stage. How's WAVES going to get this ready , even as a test by summer, if it's dependent on another groups' work?

Gee, look at this..

http://themerkle.com/uphold-will-add-litecoin-and-ethereum-soon/

From my quick understanding after looking at uphold's website, it only act as a financial reserve in some curency and assets (such as gold).
Can you crowfund your project in a decentralized way using uphold and then trade the asset on a blockchain ?
If no then uphold and waves have a very different design.
If yes can you provide me with a link so I can check it out ? (real question)

Thanks

Exactly. Waves is more futuristic.

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Quote from: sjccrypto on April 04, 2016, 07:29:09 PM

Quote from: sjccrypto on April 04, 2016, 07:14:05 PM

They have Bitcoin and Voxel (uphold created). If they wanted more profit, they would add ETH and other currencies in due time. Unknown if that's in their plans, so if WAVES can get the not even born atomic trade functionality working, might be a selling point. But right now it's just in the idea stage. How's WAVES going to get this ready , even as a test by summer, if it's dependent on another groups' work?

Gee, look at this..

http://themerkle.com/uphold-will-add-litecoin-and-ethereum-soon/

From my quick understanding after looking at uphold's website, it only act as a financial reserve in some curency and assets (such as gold).
Can you crowfund your project in a decentralized way using uphold and then trade the asset on a blockchain ?
If no then uphold and waves have a very different design.
If yes can you provide me with a link so I can check it out ? (real question)

Thanks

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So to sum up what Waves is if I'm correct:

A cryptocurrency built to have kickstarter/Community based projects funded on a decentralized blockchain using Waves tokens and also asset to asset trading like USD to EUR. Am I correct or did I miss something else important?

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Quote from: sjccrypto on April 04, 2016, 07:14:05 PM

They have Bitcoin and Voxel (uphold created). If they wanted more profit, they would add ETH and other currencies in due time. Unknown if that's in their plans, so if WAVES can get the not even born atomic trade functionality working, might be a selling point. But right now it's just in the idea stage. How's WAVES going to get this ready , even as a test by summer, if it's dependent on another groups' work?

Gee, look at this..

http://themerkle.com/uphold-will-add-litecoin-and-ethereum-soon/

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Quote from: JollyTrades on April 04, 2016, 06:51:54 PM

There is no user-created crypto-assets in Uphold. No financial intermediary institution can create its own assets without the assent of the company. No crowdfunding project raise money there. So Uphold is basically and essentially a company, not a crypto-platform.

They have Bitcoin and Voxel (uphold created). If they wanted more profit, they would add ETH and other currencies in due time. Unknown if that's in their plans, so if WAVES can get the not even born atomic trade functionality working, might be a selling point. But right now it's just in the idea stage. How's WAVES going to get this ready , even as a test by summer, if it's dependent on another groups' work?

They may not be a crypto platform, but they sure act like one. Joe Schmoe won't tell the difference, he'll just go with the faster and easier one.

https://uphold.com/en/developer/api

This doesn't mean WAVES can't succeed, they just have a very steep hill to climb, and a bar set really high from the perspective of avg Joe. I'm all for competition because so far, none can match Uphold in ease of use, tradeable fiat, BTC and even gold. If WAVES starts to look like an NXT wallet, I'm thinking mainstream adoption is just not possible.

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Sorry for sounding harsh, I appreciate you are willing to help me out (although I am sure it's not because of altruism lol Cheesy

). Nevertheless, as an investor I am sure you realise that I am only interested in ROI. And your comparison does not quite make sense for me as an investor. When I buy shares I own a piece of a company, when I buy Waves tokens I own a coin that has less functionality than for example dogecoin. Because dogecoin can also be used just as well as Waves tokens on the Waves platform, but it also has functionality outside of the platform. So to me, it seems like investing in Waves tokens is like investing in absolutely worthless vanilla coins that people can buy when they feel like it, but why should they if they can just as easily put some dogecoins on the platform or any other crypto currency? As long as there is no clear connection between the Waves platform and the Waves tokens I simply can't see good prospects of a decent ROI...I like the idea of the platform though and I appreciate your responsiveness, I hope you will value my feedback and think things through... Wink

I see your point. You are asking the special relationship between "Waves the platform" and "Waves the coin." The network fees in the platform will be paid only in the underlying cryptocurrency, that is the essential connection. In order to operate in the platform, you will first need to buy the tokens. Otherwise, you would be right in your point that buying Waves tokens is meaningless from a purely investor approach.

Quote from: sjccrypto on April 04, 2016, 06:29:07 PM

You do realize that Uphold already has a working asset to asset business, ready now to use? Why would avg Joe want to use WAVES as opposed to already available, easy to use Uphold?

There is no user-created crypto-assets in Uphold. No financial intermediary institution can create its own assets without the assent of the company. No crowdfunding project can raise money there. So Uphold is basically and essentially a company, not a crypto-platform.

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Quote from: JollyTrades on April 04, 2016, 06:15:57 PM

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As an investor I'd feel scammed if I invested in Waves and here is why. On the just released blog message you wrote;

"What about blokchain tokens of our own? Do we want WAVES to be the value transfer token? NO: for that we have Bitcoin. Money transfer is the first killer app of blockchain technology. It won’t be the last, but still it will dominate blockchain tech for years to come. But one thing is obvious here, ONE (or a few) cryptocurrencies should be used as a currency, otherwise the network effect which is needed for something to be used as a currency will never be realised. We’ll be doing our bit to help Bitcoin become the first INTERnational currency (as opposed to NATIONAL currencies). It will be deeply integrated in our platform through a corresponding token, backed by Bitcoin multisig technology and a reputable Bitcoin exchange. It can’t be made fully decentralized for now, but we will integrate Bitcoin into a new ecosystem where it can be traded, in a decentralized way, against blockchain tokens — effectively creating a decentralized cryptocurrency exchange/crowfdfunding platform. Our killer feature is the ability to trade any token against another token on the blockchain (asset-to-asset). It opens up new dimensions for doing business on blockchains, effectively replicating traditional markets and making Bitcoin trading decentralized."

This implies that there will be absolutely nothing special or unique about Waves tokens, so why the hell should I invest in buying them? To me it just feels like investors got to put in a lot of money buying worthless Waves tokens so you guys can make an innovative platform. Seems to me it's not worth it to invest, like I mentioned in my previous posts, you got to give Waves tokens functionality. If you refuse to do so, it's like investing in air, it's nothing, it has no intrinsic value or purpose other than funding you guys... Undecided

No, that passage you just quoted does not imply that there will be nothing special about Waves tokens. Just to the contrary, indeed. That passage explains what makes Waves tokens special and unique. As you have quoted, and I suppose you have read the paragraph you quoted, "Our killer feature is the ability to trade any token against another token on the blockchain (asset-to-asset)." This is what makes this platform unique, and this will be the main source of demand to Waves tokens, which should and would drive investors to buy the tokens.

You do realize that Uphold already has a working asset to asset business, ready now to use? Why would avg Joe want to use WAVES as opposed to already available, easy to use Uphold?

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Quote from: b1007 on April 04, 2016, 06:20:14 PM

Quote from: JollyTrades on April 04, 2016, 06:15:57 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

As an investor I'd feel scammed if I invested in Waves and here is why. On the just released blog message you wrote;

"What about blokchain tokens of our own? Do we want WAVES to be the value transfer token? NO: for that we have Bitcoin. Money transfer is the first killer app of blockchain technology. It won’t be the last, but still it will dominate blockchain tech for years to come. But one thing is obvious here, ONE (or a few) cryptocurrencies should be used as a currency, otherwise the network effect which is needed for something to be used as a currency will never be realised. We’ll be doing our bit to help Bitcoin become the first INTERnational currency (as opposed to NATIONAL currencies). It will be deeply integrated in our platform through a corresponding token, backed by Bitcoin multisig technology and a reputable Bitcoin exchange. It can’t be made fully decentralized for now, but we will integrate Bitcoin into a new ecosystem where it can be traded, in a decentralized way, against blockchain tokens — effectively creating a decentralized cryptocurrency exchange/crowfdfunding platform. Our killer feature is the ability to trade any token against another token on the blockchain (asset-to-asset). It opens up new dimensions for doing business on blockchains, effectively replicating traditional markets and making Bitcoin trading decentralized."

This implies that there will be absolutely nothing special or unique about Waves tokens, so why the hell should I invest in buying them? To me it just feels like investors got to put in a lot of money buying worthless Waves tokens so you guys can make an innovative platform. Seems to me it's not worth it to invest, like I mentioned in my previous posts, you got to give Waves tokens functionality. If you refuse to do so, it's like investing in air, it's nothing, it has no intrinsic value or purpose other than funding you guys... Undecided

No, that passage you just quoted does not imply that there will be nothing special about Waves tokens. Just to the contrary, indeed. That passage explains what makes Waves tokens special and unique. As you have quoted, and I suppose you have read the paragraph you quoted, "Our killer feature is the ability to trade any token against another token on the blockchain (asset-to-asset)."

So explain to me what can I do with Waves tokens on the platform that I can't do with bitcoin, dogecoin or shitcoin? Because the text seems to clearly imply that bitcoin will have special functionality and all other crypto currencies on the platform (including Waves tokens) are equal.?

First of all, it needs to be made clear that the name "WAVES" is given to two things. First, the platform, and second, the underlying cryptocurrency in that platform. It is obvious that the demand to use the platform would increase the demand to its underlying cryptocurrency. Thus, what you can do with the Waves tokens is just one side of the coin, the other side being what you can do within the platform. In the paragraph which I assume you have read, what can be done within the platform -in that platform only- is clearly stated.

From an investor's point of view, moreover, the question might be answered in a different way. What you can do with the tokens? You can buy them at a price and then sell them at a higher price. Just like you buy shares of a company. What can you really do with 100 shares of Apple Inc.?

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Quote from: JollyTrades on April 04, 2016, 06:15:57 PM

Quote from: ?? on ??

As an investor I'd feel scammed if I invested in Waves and here is why. On the just released blog message you wrote;

"What about blokchain tokens of our own? Do we want WAVES to be the value transfer token? NO: for that we have Bitcoin. Money transfer is the first killer app of blockchain technology. It won’t be the last, but still it will dominate blockchain tech for years to come. But one thing is obvious here, ONE (or a few) cryptocurrencies should be used as a currency, otherwise the network effect which is needed for something to be used as a currency will never be realised. We’ll be doing our bit to help Bitcoin become the first INTERnational currency (as opposed to NATIONAL currencies). It will be deeply integrated in our platform through a corresponding token, backed by Bitcoin multisig technology and a reputable Bitcoin exchange. It can’t be made fully decentralized for now, but we will integrate Bitcoin into a new ecosystem where it can be traded, in a decentralized way, against blockchain tokens — effectively creating a decentralized cryptocurrency exchange/crowfdfunding platform. Our killer feature is the ability to trade any token against another token on the blockchain (asset-to-asset). It opens up new dimensions for doing business on blockchains, effectively replicating traditional markets and making Bitcoin trading decentralized."

This implies that there will be absolutely nothing special or unique about Waves tokens, so why the hell should I invest in buying them? To me it just feels like investors got to put in a lot of money buying worthless Waves tokens so you guys can make an innovative platform. Seems to me it's not worth it to invest, like I mentioned in my previous posts, you got to give Waves tokens functionality. If you refuse to do so, it's like investing in air, it's nothing, it has no intrinsic value or purpose other than funding you guys... Undecided

No, that passage you just quoted does not imply that there will be nothing special about Waves tokens. Just to the contrary, indeed. That passage explains what makes Waves tokens special and unique. As you have quoted, and I suppose you have read the paragraph you quoted, "Our killer feature is the ability to trade any token against another token on the blockchain (asset-to-asset)."

So explain to me what can I do with Waves tokens on the platform that I can't do with bitcoin, dogecoin or shitcoin? Because the text seems to clearly imply that bitcoin will have special functionality and all other crypto currencies on the platform (including Waves tokens) are equal.?

JollyTrades

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Quote from: ?? on ??

As an investor I'd feel scammed if I invested in Waves and here is why. On the just released blog message you wrote;

"What about blokchain tokens of our own? Do we want WAVES to be the value transfer token? NO: for that we have Bitcoin. Money transfer is the first killer app of blockchain technology. It won’t be the last, but still it will dominate blockchain tech for years to come. But one thing is obvious here, ONE (or a few) cryptocurrencies should be used as a currency, otherwise the network effect which is needed for something to be used as a currency will never be realised. We’ll be doing our bit to help Bitcoin become the first INTERnational currency (as opposed to NATIONAL currencies). It will be deeply integrated in our platform through a corresponding token, backed by Bitcoin multisig technology and a reputable Bitcoin exchange. It can’t be made fully decentralized for now, but we will integrate Bitcoin into a new ecosystem where it can be traded, in a decentralized way, against blockchain tokens — effectively creating a decentralized cryptocurrency exchange/crowfdfunding platform. Our killer feature is the ability to trade any token against another token on the blockchain (asset-to-asset). It opens up new dimensions for doing business on blockchains, effectively replicating traditional markets and making Bitcoin trading decentralized."

This implies that there will be absolutely nothing special or unique about Waves tokens, so why the hell should I invest in buying them? To me it just feels like investors got to put in a lot of money buying worthless Waves tokens so you guys can make an innovative platform. Seems to me it's not worth it to invest, like I mentioned in my previous posts, you got to give Waves tokens functionality. If you refuse to do so, it's like investing in air, it's nothing, it has no intrinsic value or purpose other than funding you guys... Undecided

No, that passage you just quoted does not imply that there will be nothing special about Waves tokens. Just to the contrary, indeed. That passage explains what makes Waves tokens special and unique. As you have quoted, and I suppose you have read the paragraph you quoted, "Our killer feature is the ability to trade any token against another token on the blockchain (asset-to-asset)." This is what makes this platform unique, and this will be the main source of demand to Waves tokens, which should and would drive investors to buy the tokens.

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