Topic: Wazamba & 22Bet.com refusing to pay (Read 358 times)

I understand it. That`s why i`m talking about "last chance". I think here we can`t find the truth. The OP will say that it is honest win, the casino will tell us(if we`ll find their representative) that the OP is cheater.
It is situation when the OP mistaken with the casino choice. Nobody can help him if he telling the truth. The only positive moment is that we have to remember these casinos before register.

For sure if they know that the casino doesn't have a thread here for sure they will not post anything against on those casino to possible seek help regarding on what they experience since I'm sure that they know there's nothing to do since people are not familiar with the casino they are using.

But for sure their main  intention is to create awareness regarding on what they experience and introduce the casino so people would know and avoid that. I admire those people doing that since they manage to spend time to warn people and for sure their post can help a lot of people especially that we know bitcointalk have world wide audience and once a lot of people could able to read his warning then for sure that any possible scamming that might happen to user can be prevented since they already read this warnings.

yeah and when the problem occur they will jump into bitcointalk to complain and seek for help  when
those casinos does not even have a representative in this forum and i believe that we cannot offer any
help but just expossure of this casino to prevent from having any victims here in our forum.
maybe OP now learn his lesson and will focus in bitcointalk to find legit and more valuable site to
enjoy his gambling than exploring those who are outside this  popular forum.

Not all casinos know about bitcointalk and they prefer to continue with the ad networks. Different players have their own choices. Not everyone are addicted like us on Bitcointalk :-D

Any chance that the sports provider of both casino are same?

I understand your point, but also keep in mind that 90% of the industry is based in Cyprus, Malta and Curacao. It might be a good approach here for those two operations, but it's not a good general approach to judge everyone.


If you would come over to Malta and join me for one of the events I would introduce you to more people who can't set foot in various countries due to them operating a casino without a license in them. Most of the countries aren't that big of a deal, but I know several C-Suit level employees who gambled their luck with Turkey and now can't set foot into the country, not even for connected flights.

One of my previous investors can't set foot into Australia, but he told me "I don't mind, I'll just look at it from my yacht"

Estonia, Lithuania and latvia block all iGaming salaries from Curacao/MGA licensed operations, so if you decide to accept it LTV will block it and you're without funds, regardless of your employment level.

Etc etc.

I'm not defending 1xbet here, I'm just pointing out the industry. If you would comb through Stake's C suit level I guarantee you that all of them can't set foot in all of the countries in the world. Operating black markets (and being legally banned from them) is a thing and comes with the territory.

And the fact that he doesn't give an update makes it look suspicious. We may not be able to verify if the OP is telling the truth, but bringing this matter here is very important as we are now aware of how these casinos are related to 1xbit, which has a bad reputation in the forum and probably outside as well.

I've checked Casino Guru, but I couldn't find any issues involving 22bet.com. However, I did find one issue against Wazamba.

as you can see here https://casino.guru/wazamba-casino-player-s-withdrawal-has-been-delayed-20

Bet-b2b is based in Cyprus, 1xBet is based in Cyprus, and both of them have headquarters in Limassol. Keep in mind that the creators of 1xBet are Sergey Karshkov, Roman Semiokhin and Dmitry Kazorin, three Russians who are put on the International Wanted List by the government of Russia. Also, keep in mind that they flew to Cyprus to escape.
Is this a coincidence? I don't think so, especially when we know the shady past of 1xBet and if we also consider that too many scam projects use Bet-b2b CMS. Also, as far as I know, 1xBet is the first casino of bet-b2b.

I wonder if there is an update to this so I checked casino.guru if OP posted a complaint there and while there is a recently opened case against 22bet.com, I don't think it is the OP as it is mentioned on that complaint that the complainant's account is blocked while the OP on this thread mentioned that he was able to bet and increased his fund to $2.5k, I guess we'll know if the case he posted on casino.guru progressed and more information was given.

If it's true, obviously we can't do anything about it and we might even get accused for doing a violation but if not, we can only hope that our money will still be returned to us. There is still a chance even if we think they are very shady, as I've seen similar cases like this in the past.

It's really funny that they are still afraid that their reputation will get ruined when in fact it was already like that, so they just settle the damage that they have dealt mostly to the complainants on this forum. They know that Bitcointalk is the largest Bitcoin/cryptocurrency forum, so they are giving a respect to it, in the hopes that people are going to trust them but personally I will never turn back to them for any reason. I mean there are people who do change their mind on seeing some big freebies.

There are lots of options for us in this crypto space; so we never to continue on any shady places for any reasons. Once we get any red flag then we need to be cautious and must start switching to safe places to secure our funds.

This is called sportsbook arbitrage and is generally not allowed, if an operator finds out that you're placing similar bets on several operators, it can decline the withdrawal of your funds.



It's easier to do sportsbook arbitrage on lesser known platforms and win.


We just had three weeks full of igaming conferences and you could see everyone mingling with... well, everyone.

Now, I can't say for sure that the platform and operator aren't owned by the same people due to logo similarities, but I know for a fact that sharing booth costs or promoting your providers on that booth is a common practice.

I appreciate your input, but I think it's more fitting on the reputation board than gambling or scam accusations, since it's revolving around casinos' reputation, how they handle cases, the active and resolved cases against them, and the likes, it's not an accusation [thus, not quite fit to be on accusation board] or an announcement about a casino [thus, also not fitting to be in gambling board].

I am open for inputs though, and if majority of people think it's more appropriate to be in gambling board, I will move them here.

That was the first thing came to mind when I saw the thread and even the name of the casino is strange to me. And I believed this account is an alt account and if it is an alt account, the main account supposed to know the reputable casinos in the forum but he decided to use a casino outside and want the forum to solve the problem. And as you said since there is no representative here, the only the thread help is for us to be aware that the casino is a scam casino.

A big thank you for bringinng this issue to the forum, you deserve some more merits for this which you have done, but unfortunately, I am currently down to zero sendable merit at the moment.

I've never heard of any casino with the name "wazamba" before, but I've I think once of twice come across 22bet.com, actually, I was introduced to this casino by a friend whom I've never meet, he said a lot of good things about the casino that at a point, I almost registered to start playing there, but later, I changed my mind for some reasons I can't really tell.

From all you have said, it's obvious this casinos are nothing but scammers, even if any of them end up paying, they are still a scam judging from all theyve made you go through and how long they've made you wait, I will avoid this two casinos where ever I come across them, and I advice everyone else to do the same to avoid stories that torch the heart.

There are people choose to be loyal on the casino they are playing and they don't bother to gather up a new updated information against the casino they are playing since they are comfortable that they would never experience any bad from them. And now since he already experience the worse which a lot of people don't like to experience then maybe he would start to be aware on the reputation of the casino and provably next time he will do some at least little research about the relevance of the casino and its reputation. There are lots of good casino to choose here so I guess he would realize that its better to seek for good casinos here rather than spending some time seeking for a casino which doesn't have any good reputation or at least been known by people  here.

Not sure where did you find these casino but the problem is that now that you suffer
 from their scammy attitude here you are posting here in this forum ,why did not
come here and choose for the best casino ?anyway best to put this in scam accusation
 thread and provide for all the proof you had against them .

Probably at the start, he had no problem, but when he started winning, that's when the problem arose. He couldn't cancel his withdrawal because he wanted to enjoy his winnings, but he was required to complete different verification steps until he got tired and maybe just forget about his money. The problem is he didn't start with KYC verification, so a scammy casino can use that against him.

And there's this multi-accounting accusation that is very common for scammy sites. They'll tell you that you are violating this rule, and you can't counter it as they hold the information that supposedly links you to certain accounts. I mean, how can you contest that to prove you are not cheating if they have already made a conclusion?

I’m not aware of this topic of yours and it should be moved on gambling board instead of the reputation of the forum since real gamblers usually hangout on this board rather than the reputation board. I rarely visit that board unless I do my own research about a certain casino.  Your thread hel newbie gamblers that just lurking here in the forum especially those visitors only that doesn’t familiar on the forum board.

Maybe the moderator can sticky this thread on gambling board as warning about ongoing cases against casino with ANN thread here.

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Attempting to withdraw again will not work since the OP has an ongoing investigation on his account due to possible multiple account as stated on the OP. Both casino has some reason to hold OP money, either true or not it’s very hard to win against mediocre casino that doesn’t have representative here.

What reason? For promotions? or other thing that he think beneficial for him? Since if he just look at those things then for sure there are lots of casino here can offer such promotion he's seeking and there's no point for continue if he knows that the casino he's playing is a compromise one since that's already an indicator for him to leave that casino since anytime he would really experience those unwanted scenarios happen to other people.

This indicate that we should never get attracted on the offers since those scams or bad casino is just using that so people will get interested to try their casino. After they wager huge amount of money then they might start to experience some thing that they don't like to happen. So that's a lesson that need to learn from and we should stick on the casino which already gained a good reputation for long years since we have a lot of them available in bitcointalk.

The last chance is to cancel the withdrawal and repeat it. I don`t think that it will help, but i don`t think that there are some reasons, why the OP can`t get his money. And iif the OP has no problems with casinos - why he has chosen such two of them? Or if he has problems with casinos - may be we don`t know something?

Then what is a point/advantage of those promotional free things if one can't utilize or withdraw those winnings. It will be just waste of time and effort so good to avoid those low profile or less known platforms. Its always good to play which have high ratings and positive reviews to avoid these kind of problem and offer nice support system if any problem occurs.

For sure there are many reasons why OP still wants to play on those online casinos, even though as you said that they aren't well-known platforms. Based on my own experience, one of the reason why I still play on casinos that aren't even trusted is because of the promotions they offered like free spin without any deposits requirements. But even so, it is of course best to avoid these kinds of sites as much as possible for also to avoid this kind of problem, even if they offer good promo.

I still wonder why ops keep making the mistakes of choosing less popular casinos and sport bookings site when we already have a lot of them here in the forum the gambling board is big enough to serve as resource place to make decisions on which Casinos to trust and how their operates.


Some casinos have manual withdrawal which takes a lot of days and weeks week days only, this make their transactions processing very slow, we don't have such casinos around the forum a lot of them off the forum have such weird terms and conditions as regards to withdrawal, kyc, and others.

I knew you did it recent years and did great works so I am sure when you have time, you can look at the accusations.

I knew that accusations, if published in wrong boards, will easily not be noticed and already recommended OP to move this thread to Reputation board.

Your thread can help as a record for active accusations but without their brand representatives in the forum, it's hard to judge accusation is valid or invalid. Anyway, having a place, your thread, as a record or raw warning is not too bad.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention by mentioning me. I rarely roam the gambling board, so cases like this [which should belong to scam accusations board] are easily missed. I really appreciate the helping hand to monitor cases for accusation on this board and bringing it to my awareness.

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OP, as others have mentioned, these two casinos are sadly don't have any account here, so I can't pursue them to get your case resolved like other cases against casinos who have their representative present on this forum.

However, reading that your main goal here is to warn the community [we thanked you for that], I will gladly add them to my list, under the section of "casinos with no representative". At least that way, the case will easily come to anyone's awareness who do their DD instead of being drowned by other threads.

I am urging you to move this thread to scam accusations board where it'll be more appropriate.

The image said, “BetB2B by 1xbet.com” and that already shows that both 1xbet and BetB2B are owned by the same company and according to the list shared above all the casinos present in that list are currently making use of BetB2B software - and as long as they are connected to BetB2B in anyway then it’s safe to say that they are all in the same boat.

I wouldn’t expect much from a site that shares the same software with a known scam site.

I'm just trying to connect the dots here as I've read this post above and I think there was a connection with B2B and 1xbit.


They are really everywhere, making similar casinos that are coming from one software provider or operator, we dont know anymore but we should consider that when there is a linkage, we have to doubt its reputation already, must possible not to gamble anymore and this community should be a tool for the users to be aware of their possible connection.

22Bet.com is one of the casinos that has been identified to use the BetB2B platform, there by meaning the casinos of the list is linked to 1xbit as well. Let me quote the list by shield132. i think that's what freedomgo  was trying to point out.

The forum has provided the opportunity for forum members to not just get easily scammed by playing in dubious casinos because there are many options of reputable casinos to choose from in the forum. The only people who should be having this kind of issue are people who are outside the forum not we that are forum members.

@OP, Sorry about the situation you have found yourself in and I like to say to you that if you are not a member of this forum yet, maybe this should be a good reason for you to join so that you do not fall prey to any predator casino again in the future .

No chance to contact staffs or owners of the platform through the forum because they don't have announcement threads or any promotion here.

OP can still move this accusation thread to Reputation board. It can help other members as a warning, but I don't say this accusation is valid.

Let holydarkness knows about your accusation too.
[LIST] Scam Accusation Cases Against Betting Platform on The Forum

I’m doubtful if you notice that the casino involved here is 22bet.com and not B2B like what stated on the post that you share. Is there any proven connection between this 2 casino or you just overlooked it when you share the post made on 1xbit thread?

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There’s still no solid connection for this speculation but it’s true that OP money has a high chance that already lost since these 2 casino in subject are completely unknown here.

Ah, this is something bad.
but this is good information for us to be more careful in choosing a casino, or even just trying to get a bonus from a casino with tempting promos.

OP, sorry for your loss. but maybe you won't get your withdrawal. If you are a forum member, I suggest you play at a casino that is reputable on the forum. losing money due to defeat is not a problem. but when you win and can't withdraw it, it's really annoying.

        -   How long have you been in the crypto space? Because if you have been in this crypto business field for a long time, why didn't you play cryptocurrency casinos like Duelbits, Stakescom, Rollbit, LivecasinoLivecasino, Betcoin, Sportsbetio, Fortunejack,Fortunejack, and others that have been here for a long time,time,as well as as well as bcgames and Bk8?? 

I'm not family in the casino that you mentioned,, to be honest;; I just heard that now. And obviously,obviously, that casino is a scam because it was said that you should use everything you deposit on their gambling platform.. ThatThat is immediately wrong andand a short red flag tome, and me, and then the processing of your issue takes longer and longer. That's where it's really doubtful, so don't expect to get your money back there;; you'll be lucky if you get it back.

Look at this post from the 1xbit announcement thread so you can see how its link to 1xbit.


If you are convinced that they are link, I would suggest that you get yourself ready to accept the reality that you might not be able to get your money because they probably have the same reputation since they are link with each other. Sorry for your loss mate but I hope your problem will resolve.

It's very unfortunate, but next time you must do a Google search. Just type the name of the casino + review, and you will find out if it is recommended to bet at this casino.

This is the best example of when you don’t do thorough research about the site and keep on depositing your hard-earned money there. I meant there are already many reputable casinos and sportsbooks available in the market, but you still went for these two, whose names I bet many of us haven’t heard of either. These sites don’t have a thread here in the forum either. Nothing can really be done, sadly. Just contact the support team and keep providing the documents that they are asking for. Yes, one way it helped is that, from your case now, people will become more cautious about these sites and will be saved from getting scammed.

I guess we are in the same boat 

Maybe the high safety index is because they promptly respond to the complaints and don't abandon them. Most of the unresolved cases are due to the complainants abandoning the threads

Most of the resolved cases have also resulted into the players getting back their money. So definitely the safety index stays high.

On the contrary, if you look at the reviews, they are very low/bad on casinoguru

On trust pilot as well - https://www.trustpilot.com/review/www.wazamba.com

I haven't heard of this Wazambas casino either.  As for 22Bet casino, from what I read on gambling forums, it might actually be the same owners as 1xbet and 1xbit.  Those guys apparently have a real bad rep for not letting players withdraw winnings and things like that.  Selective scamming, I think they called it.  So yeah no wonder you're having issues getting your money back from them.  I'd stay away from sites like that if I were you.  Stick to the more well known places that have been around a while.  At least that way youve got some shot at cashing out when you win. 

It's good that you posted a screenshot of your evidence, but we do have a dedicated section for this kind of complaint, and you have a better chance of getting the attention that you need for your issue.

You can go here
Scam Accusations and there is a format to follow to highlight your complaint. Casinos will be alarmed if they have complaints filed in that section, then two casinos will not have an announcement here or a representative, but at least people will know their status here in this forum and on the internet.

Since many dont believe, https://i.imgur.com/Gm8FYrg.png screenshot of wazambas withdrawal and the date, btw. 22Bet.com paid me out the first time i requested a payout, it was around $30, but it was almost instant, that baited me to deposit more and play, and there i can only screenshot balance, since withdrawal history is for past week maybe, and i requested before that and got rejected.

As mentioned above this won’t help your case as there are no representatives here to help process your withdrawal request faster.

By the way, I don’t know how much this is relevant to this thread but I read somewhere that both 1xbit.com and 22bet.com are using the same type of software - which is “BetB2B” - you really need to be careful when dealing with site that has anything to do with 1xbit.com, for what we know they could have other sites that are theirs but not yet linked and exposed to the public.

If you are able to get your money - make sure you turn to a known site and stop using those that are still being hidden in the internet.

Exactly, we haven't heard this casino before, so not sure how the OP play on it. And that is the problem with some gamblers, I mean there are a lot of reputable casinos that you can find that is being listed in this community so why not try this fly by night casinos and then complain later that you have been scam and it's obvious that the blame falls on the OP.

In any case, it's good that he has warned us and hopefully he will be the last one to fell victims. Yeah, just charge this to experience as I also not seeing this casinos going back to pay you.

I encourage you to post all of them so people can see that you have evidence against your accusation/complaint about the two gambling sites you mentioned, but if you have any sensitive information on those screenshots you can either cut them out or blur them.

regarding 22Bet.com, please update us on their response after you send them your utility bills for the last 3 months.

regarding Wazamba.com, it's my first time seeing that gambling site so I checked them on casino.guru, they have a very high rating of 9.7/10 though they have a lot of complaints, 173 in total, 59 of them solved, 0 unresolved cases and the rest are rejected. even though what's going on is annoying I suggest lengthening your patience.

That was sort of my question and thinking as well.  There are plenty of reputable online casinos here (plug for my signature advertiser Stake) so why would you risk your money on some (apologies for my ignorance) no name websites with the hopes that if you win they'll actually pay out?  It's like you're asking for punishment.  Hopefully now that you've seen the dark side of less reputable online operations, you'll value the reputation that comes along with some of the bigger names.  No need to chase gimmicks.  You're seeing the downside of that now.

I don't think these casinos have representative here, maybe or not but they are not popular here and so even if you take the topic to reputation and scam accusation, it may not amount to anything for your benefit since they may not respond if they are not here. Moreover, you seem a new account I would have asked why playing in an unpopular casino. Therefore, you have to be patient to hope they will redeem your winning for you if they don't find your violating the rule against multiple accounts.

Many crypto casinos that have a good reputation in this forum, why play on a less well-known platform?
And Im sure those 2 platforms never post or promote their casinos in this forum, sorry to say but it seems they will not respond to your complaint here.
How about bring the dispute to casinoguru, because if I look at Wazamba rating on casinoguru it is considered a good casino.

Hey @grandmaser97 I would encourage you to move this topic to scammer accusations board and again it's advisable to always include screenshot as required with the normal scam reporting format.
Lastly, I will ask you to exercise patient till they finishes with their verification as required after haven submitted the required details. Moreover did they have Ann thread here maybe you can post over there to get their attention more better.

So long story short, i made some winnings in sports betting in a few casinos, out of them all, only 22Bet.com and Wazamba.com arent allowing me to withdraw (22Bet.com) and "are processing the withdrawal" for over 8 days already.

22Bet.com did tell me i need to bet whole deposit, which i did, after i had $1.300 on that casino, tried to withdraw and got rejected, on live chat was told to email their support, they told me i had multiple accounts and i need to do verification (I dont have multiple accounts, why would i?) i sent ID Card, after 3 days they asked for selfie of me holding my ID card and a screen showing our email conversations, i somehow did that and sent them, in meantime i played two more sportsbet and got to $2.547, now they are asking for 3 last monthly utility bills, which i sent them just now, i highly doubt they will pay out, but lets see.

Wazamba.com, i won $450 there, requested a withdraw and contacted live chat to see the time needed for processing, they told me "We aim to process withdrawal requests in about 3 business days, from the next day that the request was made, or from the day of the last processed withdrawal." its been 8 days since and when i contact live chat again they tell me they need 1-3 business days and payment is still on hold, lets see what happens there also.

Will post screens if needed, just posted this here to raise some awarness, so people avoid those, maybe i get paid out, maybe i wont, but i dont have high hopes, its around $3k.