Topic: We are being used. - page 2. (Read 2429 times)

People have been going on about this for years, there is not much you can do except save yourself. People will keep investing no matter what you tell them but they'll learn when they get burn.

I see you guys writing that icos can't be stopped. Nobody can forbid them releasing new and shitty coins, that's true, but it is us who are actually responsible for the effects, for among us there are people who sort of know ICOs are not good as an investment and yet they can't resist the temptation to buy something and get rich.
We have to ignore icos and they will die themselves. Or, who knows, one day we may really have a great coin released this way. ICOs are something we have to be formally tolerant with if we value freedom.

So many of these ICOs are really outsiders who have no interest in crypto but just want to grab from the pool of the crypto community.

I look at many of them and they are just fucking bankers who have hired a crypto developer to make a grab for the crypto community's money. Here is a perfect example, why do they need the blockchain to start a hedge fund?


https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/closed-2003741


I'm not against all ICO's but most are just using us as a crypto community. Until we refuse to be ass raped by these banking interests we are destined to lose money to them. We need to invest in projects that are pure crypto and not get all wet pants about any project involving some big money interests. We all lose then, they win.


BTW play spot the crypto nerd among the bankers selling out in the pictures of the team!

I never posted anything here because of morality.
I posted FUD because i think it is in ALL our best interest.

Buddy yammering at me about black & White ?
Well i just told him about moving the goal posts.

Bitcoin ALREADY had flaws.. it is not our job to make a worse version of it ..8 fucking thousand times worse and worse

..for profits.

You all the majority here in control are sowing the seeds of your own demise.
It's a cycle of up's and downs.

Those of you here who have any shred of morality in you need to realize you are surrounded by a hoards of people with NONE what so ever.
You will all collectively crash this shit then a recession will hit for a year or two.
Then you will start it all over again.

It's like starting some pointless token like say Max Coin.
Making it pumped up in price.. then dumping on those caught in the net.
When you shook them all loose and most dumped for a loss..
Then you can re-buy all the cheap coins nom nom nom.. then do it all over again.
Over and over until they get tired off falling of the same trap.
Then..
Put out a new coin..
And do it all over again.

What is it you are accomplishing here people ?
Are ANY of you here for any other reason than to simply make money off of what ever is paying out ?

There are consequences and you will pay them.
Rich and corrupt will get richer and the poor ..poorer.
What ensures this is a rigged scammy corrupt game.
When they want your money they simply take it.
I say... it's like playing a game of Monopoly with a corrupt banker.
And you all play along because you think you have a *CHANCE* at walking away with a slice.
So YOU ignore the corruption etc then show up here making excuses.. "Black & white"
Yeah it is Black & White.. bad is bad ya dumb fucking idiots.

This is 99% scammy bullshit.
100% of ICO's are a scam.
You supporting them makes you a scam supporter.. for profits.
I know what will happen i can see it far in advance.
Mathematically the cards are already played.

I agree there should be ICO standards.

The problem is, standards require regulation, and then you're on the slippery path of becoming just another centralized + regulated bank.

Then do something to solve the issue instead of whining about it.

It's actually a very nice problem to solve, for obvious reasons.

ICO = SCAM

I have laid out countless reasons why .. all of which are ignored.
Why ?
MONEY.

The thing is people with MORE money make LOTS..
Then the little guys co-op the "coin" for a small slice of profits..
..regardless if the "scheme" is legit.

I have pointed out the problem here endlessly and no one cares and no one will comment.
Aside from GTFO.
And why do i have to ?
Shouldn't the greedy hoards of losers here showing up leave ?
They will eventually anyway when they made some money then lost all of it eventually ?

It's a greedy economy in a lawless scammy environment.
And greedy does not end well.

Lecturing these guys is a waste of time.
The best that is going to happen is you will make a smarter scammer and more clever greedy profiteer.

My criticsims here for fours straight years helped these scammer evolved their craft.
OI helped them hone their little game down to a fine science.
@OP you may have recently started posting topics like this but i have been doing it 24/7 for 4 years an i helped theses douche bags evolve and fine tune their scam game.
What have i seen since ?
A never ending list of legends eaten up by greed.
A who's who of Bitcointalk that all lined up for thefts, corruption, greedy etc.

Money and power corrupts which is why i refuse to advocate ICO's.
It is a massive downgrade from the initial distribution of BTC.
If it is not improving on Bitcoins system then it is in fact pure garbage and should be avoided.
REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH YOU *COULD* MAKE OF THEM.

When i came today i seen the headline theymos put in about the BIP at the top of the page.
I right away was thinking about who CONTROLS Bitcoin.
Then i seen the Altcoin section.
ICO = CENTRALIZATION
And worse.. much much worse.

There is nothing to say.
Nothing to debate.
This is now the scam section.. it's the norm now.
Things changed years ago and Bitcointalk is long dead.
It's a farce now.. a sleazy charade of Greed.
What we see is a decentralized system 51% attacked by bag greedy losers.
This people is the result... a hot dumpster fire of greed.

Did we ever need regulations to tell 10% premines to fuck off?

If icos want to use the crypto community we need to start telling them we want a better cut or they wont get pir money. Its too.late after ico is done you got to start making clear many of us will boycott their ico without a significant airdrop. People power isnt socalism its us the consumers showing our power in a free capitalist system.

first of all, why are you at mad, it's my opinion !!
and who forced you to invest !! we know from the beginning all those altcoins are scam in somehow.
you want decentralized, so this is how it works

I agree there should be ICO standards.

The problem is, standards require regulation, and then you're on the slippery path of becoming just another centralized + regulated bank.

Really? when most new ICOs have lost money for people.....are you a wizard?

Oh yeah also I dont give a fuck about you. Cause your thinking fucks us all in the long term.

Funny how everyone who gambles with ICOs claims they're making profits. Who's losing then?

ICO = SCAM

I have laid out countless reasons why .. all of which are ignored.
Why ?
MONEY.

The thing is people with MORE money make LOTS..
Then the little guys co-op the "coin" for a small slice of profits..
..regardless if the "scheme" is legit.

I have pointed out the problem here endlessly and no one cares and no one will comment.
Aside from GTFO.
And why do i have to ?
Shouldn't the greedy hoards of losers here showing up leave ?
They will eventually anyway when they made some money then lost all of it eventually ?

It's a greedy economy in a lawless scammy environment.
And greedy does not end well.

Lecturing these guys is a waste of time.
The best that is going to happen is you will make a smarter scammer and more clever greedy profiteer.

My criticsims here for fours straight years helped these scammer evolved their craft.
OI helped them hone their little game down to a fine science.
@OP you may have recently started posting topics like this but i have been doing it 24/7 for 4 years an i helped theses douche bags evolve and fine tune their scam game.
What have i seen since ?
A never ending list of legends eaten up by greed.
A who's who of Bitcointalk that all lined up for thefts, corruption, greedy etc.

Money and power corrupts which is why i refuse to advocate ICO's.
It is a massive downgrade from the initial distribution of BTC.
If it is not improving on Bitcoins system then it is in fact pure garbage and should be avoided.
REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH YOU *COULD* MAKE OF THEM.

When i came today i seen the headline theymos put in about the BIP at the top of the page.
I right away was thinking about who CONTROLS Bitcoin.
Then i seen the Altcoin section.
ICO = CENTRALIZATION
And worse.. much much worse.

There is nothing to say.
Nothing to debate.
This is now the scam section.. it's the norm now.
Things changed years ago and Bitcointalk is long dead.
It's a farce now.. a sleazy charade of Greed.
What we see is a decentralized system 51% attacked by bag greedy losers.
This people is the result... a hot dumpster fire of greed.

If you have to rely on promises it's already a shit system - compared to Bitcoin.

And escrows doesn't do anything other than delaying the money getting into the hands of scammers.

In the game you're either a wolf or a sheep.
And we all know which ones the bankers' are

Um, there is no way to stop ICOs from taking place, so this line of thinking gets absolutely nowhere.

There are plenty of legitimate cases in the crypto world that started with ICO's... Ethereum being a case and point.  It's a different world since that time though, and the model they used for an ICO is no longer legitimate.

ICO Funds need to self be ESCROWED, and ICO's need to layout their own payout and development plan.  If promises aren't kept then people need to be able to withdraw their remaining share from the escrow (can't withdraw what is already spent).   The crypto world has the solution to it's own problems in it's own hands... Smart contracts can go a long way towards making ICO's fair and safe.