Topic: We need a economic revolution right now . - page 4. (Read 1087 times)

We must help each other as human beings to overcome this crisis by avoiding the word of revolution Only then can a country's economy be developed The government and many times cannot do the right thing almost everything is a victim of corruption. That is why we never need a revolution if we are conscious of ourselves.

   Every coin has two sides, don't forget that. Maybe crypto-currencies are ready to take over, but there are old
people who hold to old tradition, they don't accept anything new and better, and why would they when they got
their fortune from this system. We need to wait for change of generations, new and young people to come in
power, the ones who recognize potential of crypto-currencies and their ability to connect the world in better
and more fair ways.
   I don't know much about US elections, and I don't care. For me all politicians are same, they use ordinary
people for their own benefits!

If we were ready this moment could have been really a great one, think about it like if we were really ready for a huge overhaul in the economical and political way, during this pandemic we would have been able to actually get a revolution done. However we were not really ready so we couldn't really do it even if we wanted to.

In the future we should get ready for it so that we would have some grass roots movement. In USA we could had bernie sanders as the next president, he has a lot more followers than just democrats, because democrats would vote for anyone you give them against Trump but Bernie would have gotten votes from green party and independents and also even some moderate republicans as well, dude is loved by Vermont that he has been senator for a long time. We missed that opportunity for example.

The Internet really Feed us so many things ,I have read couple of posts in my wall about the China Spreading this and the other one is the Conspiracy of US and China but till now nothing comes certain because everything is allegation and no concrete evidence so lets just bare with the government to help preventing from spreading this virus.But economic revolution is not necessary for me instead Help each other and help the government .

I do not see it the way conspiracy theorist such as you guys see, I see this as a total fail that was unintended but of course not ill mannered. This could very well be some scientist who have nothing to do with anything just working on a new project and fail significantly, as you can see I am not saying it is from eating a bat neither but I also do not see it as ill intended neither, just an idiot scientist failing at his job and that's it.

Economically nobody really takes an advantage, there is absolutely no way anyone could earn anything from this so I do not see this as something that is really beneficial to anyone so why would they want to do something like this when they can't win anything from it.

You are accusing a whole nation without having any evidence.
This virus could have started from any place around the world.
Those statements - like yours - just spread hatred and racism and we should avoid doing that for the global good. Otherwise, we are going to be place in a terrible situation (the worst part would be a war).

I think a lot will change after this.
Specially with 3rd world countries.

There will be a new budget that will be prioritized for healthcare.
This kind of virus could happen again after all will be cleared out.
Vaccines will be made which will be injected for everyone until only newborns will be left.
Then prevention, fast reactions and control. All of this will soon surface in senate meetings or better the World or UN meet.

I am hoping people will do the same. Save something for emergencies like this.
We cannot rely on the government only or other charities, we also need to make our own strategy.

The system of ensuring global health that has made us believe that it works. It revealed that it is not.
I am amazed. How the WHO allowed the virus to spread?
Why did the leaders of the nations of the world ignore that the Coronavirus was lethal?

China used a near-perfect technique to eradicate the Coronavirus.
It has been struggling with the virus for more than three months, and on March 9 reports that there is no longer a person infected with the coronavirus.

How long will Trump have to restore the health of infected people and leave the country free of Coronavirus?

For which I agree that our economic system is deteriorated and no longer functional and we need a revolution.

you have evidence to that ? that is what others are saying but its too early to suspect them when we dont have a concrete evedince at the first place  .

infact china is the first country that supplies medical equipment right now   .  for now arguing is not the best thing to do but rather we need to cooperate and foccus more on helping our selves and helping others as well   . if we have that  unity we can easily solve this crisis that we are experiencing right now on our economy   .

It is quite clear that China has something in their hands. Its like they plan for this virus to spread and let other nations die. It is clearly one of their agenda of being a dominant and bully nation.

Changes in Trump's attitude in seeing the Coronavirus provoked the thought that the Corona Virus was by design and Trump already knew the ending, it's just that the American response was a little late so China was seen as a hero because of its help against Corona even though it wasn't free.

What we understand in Indonesia when the bird flu virus struck is the practice carried out by the United States and WHO. WHO has more than 50 years of age requiring virus sharing, which turns out to be detrimental to many poor and developing countries from the origin of the virus. WHO uses every virus sample sent by each country not for humanitarian purposes but for commercial purposes, namely selling vaccines to developing countries and benefiting some groups. This practice was dismantled by the Indonesian Ministry of Health.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12961-indonesia-fights-for-rights-to-bird-flu-samples/

Openly on the agenda, Coronavirus is addressed as a health issue and is a struggle on the basis of humanity, but in a hidden agenda, this is World War III without arms but high damage to the lives of individuals, groups, and countries. This is evident from the scale of the widening implications and not a few fatalities, economic paralysis, unemployment, hunger or psychological effects in the form of global public panic. The lockdown issue and its derivatives, the implication is that not only large companies are falling, but the stock market is falling, including the real sector.

if you believe that a governement, any govt (US, Italy, Iran, Italy, Canada, etc) was going to stock up on supplies, and build ICU centers and field hospitals because of something that was happening in some asian countries, I have a bridge to sell you...Literally nothing (as in, no major stuff like in China) was happening in those countries that would warrant entering such state of alarm in January.

Obviously, they paid the ultimate price as they have more deaths/cases than in those countries in Asia, and I agree with you, they should've been more prepared (talking about the 1st world countries), but that's how they operate (or used to operate): evaluate the situation (like data) in your home country and then react.

It's obvious that they were going to react quicker to whatever that was going down in China: they're right next door. Plus, population SK is 51 million people, Taiwan has 23 million, USA have 330 million...yeah sure, population density, but c'mon now, 330 million!!

Was Trump the only one who downplayed the whole situation? Reminder that there's a guy called Anthony Fauci, probably THE expert in infectious diseases in the USA. The guy has been the director of the NIAID for more than 35 years which means he's "served" under 6 presidential administrations and has seen many pandemics and diseases.

Maybe, just maybe, he could've said something earlier, you know? Something to warn the US citizens about the possibi...Oh wait, didn't he say back in February that you could go on with your daily activities as usual? https://www.today.com/video/dr-fauci-on-coronavirus-fears-no-need-to-change-lifestyle-yet-79684677616
(jump to 2:40 min)
So, who downplay the coronavirus pandemic? Just Trump? The guy follows a script whenever he talks, his people prolly asked Fauci and the CDC and they all agreed that this was going away very soon or it wasn't going to get serious. No, really, I know a lot of people want to blame trump for literally everything, but  there are far bigger responsibles for what's happening right now.

I mean, if the leading expert in infectious diseases said what he said on national tv, in late February, I can infer that he said the same thing to Trump and his people which made the orange man, and possibly every other health institution under the Health Department, downplay the whole situation by saying that "everything was going to be fine".

lol just ignore him, that's what I did.

Stop be populist pls.
No one is fully prepared for such epidemics. It is logical that someone will die (let me remind you that the mortality rate is
a) minimal
b) the risk group consists of old people.
Yes, China has acted absolutely abominably, hiding the real situaitob at the beginning of this whole story - and I am sure that China will be justifiably exposed to collective claims.
If people can't pay for their own food, then they are homeless and unemployed, which they were before the virus. All my friends, for example, even before the General panic began, spent the necessary amount of money on supplies and sit quietly at home.
Your left-wing populism at the level of SJW, " for all good and against all bad"

#tomahawk9 already answered this but probably you would have wanted to see tanks in the street and people who come from abroad thrown in camps..
but at that point, you would have been enraged by the abuse of power of the government and demanded freedom of choice
at which point you would have asked for tougher measures of control and lockdown of the country...
at which point you would accuse trump of trying to stage a coup d'etat with the army and the evil gubbermint

Of course, it's pretty bad for me to judge you like that...I mean...you're not a guy to change your opinion that quickly, right?
Remember this?


So, according to you the evil and incompetent gubbermint should have acted on January 14 when EVERYBODY knew how serious that was...
But on January 30...somebody I quoted above said that everything was blown out of proportion.


Cough, cough...see above!
 


So,  promoting stuff that Korea did...
https://theconversation.com/coronavirus-south-koreas-success-in-controlling-disease-is-due-to-its-acceptance-of-surveillance-134068
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/28/tech/korea-coronavirus-tracking-apps/index.html

Phone tracking? Sharing your travel routes with strangers? No privacy?
How many thousands of pages throwing flaming poo at us government would have been written on this forum if they would have done so?


Nope, I'm the one blaming china for this.
It took them one month to report it to the WHO while silencing everyone, and then lie for another 20 days.

By the time anyone in the western world heard of it, it was already too late, countries had identified the virus even before the news of it spreading through human contact. In Spain, for example, the first known case of somebody dying because it was discovered only because they tested some people who have died before the first confirmed infection, post-mortem.
And he returned from Nepal before any case was reported there.

Why would they have acted...after all..let me quote...

I accept as true with you that this revolution can never solve our problems If we people do anything united then the govt is obliged to obey that Revolution won't only harm our country and therefore the economy are going to be worse. If this problem is solved then people won't be ready to overcome the crisis.

What are you talking? I agree that antibodies will get improved and because of that people get recover from the virus but because of this they can't just let people to go out then what happens on Italy and what is happening with the US will happen to the entire or majority of the population and the elderly people will also get infected at last do you want to risk a generation on this.? several young healthy people has also died and you don't have enough infrastructure to treat the high volume of people if thy require intensive care

I think it's going to be an intresting few months. I'm highly curious to see if when stay at home orders are lifted if the unemployment rate will lower close to what it was before or if the rate will remain high above 15%.

those restrictions went into effect the first week of february. by then, the coronavirus was already widespread in the USA.

even after those restrictions, something like 20k americans returned from china in february-march, with apparently minimal screening. not to mention the millions streaming in from britain, italy, and spain completely unrestricted until mid-march. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/disaster-motion-34-million-travelers-poured-us-coronavirus/story?id=69933625


south korea and taiwan curbed their outbreaks despite this supposed lack of data. now the USA will have a 1000x worse death toll than south korea. why?

anyway, is that the right way to approach a pandemic---wait until spread is out of control before doing anything?

other administrations were far better prepared for a pandemic like the coronavirus, because they recognized it was a basic emergency function of the federal government, and they understood the exponentially growing nature of pandemics:


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/disaster-motion-34-million-travelers-poured-us-coronavirus/story?id=69933625

in contrast, trump and obama both pulled funding for a pandemic response, and both failed to rebuild the national stockpile of medical supplies. trump also dismantled multiple pandemic related programs for budget reasons, even just a few months before this outbreak occurred.

and maybe we can rationalize that. everybody lost sight that a pandemic was possible so they pulled funding---fine. but did they really need to wait 2 weeks to even place basic travel restrictions from china (while still letting tens of thousands through anyway)? did they really need to wait 2 months before restricting other travelers from epidemic-hit countries? did they really need to misinform people about the efficacy of masks? did they really need to wait this long to start procuring PPE? did trump really need to downplay the seriousness of the pandemic, promising a return to normal within weeks right as infections were going exponential?

the most damaging thing the trump administration probably did was to downplay the whole thing, and openly advocate against taking it seriously. as a result, much of the country followed suit. the whole thing became highly politicized, with conservatives/republicans arguing against taking any public health measures seriously. people even started throwing coronavirus parties as a political rebellion. what a fucking shitshow. but what do you expect when the president kept saying "it's just a cold" and we need to go back to normal?

I agree with that. Soon the time will come when people will feel bad in terms of money, who live in cities and depend on the global economy. However, those people who are not dependent on the global economy, which drives us into slavery, will remain in the same position as before. For example, a farmer who grows organic vegetables will have the same income as before, because people will use his services in any case. In addition, such a farmer will have food, water and almost everything that is needed for existence. Therefore, if the dollar depreciates, then it will not greatly affect it.

wtf are you even talking about?

whether taiwan is a member of the WHO wasn't the point. the point is the WHO and all western governments were well aware the pandemic risks in january and did absolutely nothing for 2+ months.

they were doing nothing to stockpile medical supplies or build ICU centers, they were actively telling people there was no risk, business as usual, no quarantines, no social distancing, very scant travel restrictions from china (~760k travelers entered USA from china through february), telling everyone not to wear masks, etc.

in hindsight we now know that western governments literally did everything wrong they possibly could have.


you are the only one saying we should have blindly trusted china.

studies showing human-to-human transmission in january were independently verifiable. it was not a matter of trusting china. https://www.medpagetoday.com/infectiousdisease/publichealth/84537

western governments in italy, USA, and elsewhere simply ignored the threat for months and fed their populations endless misinformation.

at most, you can blame china for delaying reporting what they knew until mid-january. they did the same when the SARS outbreak occurred so it's not a surprise. they are a propaganda machine after all. they need time to get their house in order.

how does that excuse our governments for ignoring the threat until mid-late march?

the USA and south korea confirmed their first coronavirus cases on the same day. the USA is projected to have a ~1000x worse death toll in spite of korea's much bigger population density. you want me to blame china for that too?