Topic: We Need a Real Bitcoin Online Store, not "retailers" who just price gouge 15-20% - page 3. (Read 5422 times)

What if?

QVC meets BTC: http://www.qvc.com/qic/qvcapp.aspx/app.nav/params.class.P722.level.3/walk.yah.0100-G249?venue=cgen?ref=GAS&cm_ven=googlePAID&cm_cat=N-As+Seen+On+TV&cm_pla=Infomercial+Products&cm_ite=sXuaUfCOW_8296815540_infomercial%20products&cookie=set

This is the nice thing about what bit-pay.com is working on.

Check out my site:
http://www.heidijosboutique.com

You can make a purchase just like on any other e-commerce site. But when you get to the checkout page...you can choose between paying with PayPal or paying with Bitcoins.

Same price either way.

bit-pay is working on making this easier for all merchants...

My next upgrade to the page will be choosing an icon on the front page to get all of the values in Bitcoins instead of dollars, or vice versa.

Just had a thought: Merchants wouldn't need to hedge against 24 hours of movement if they had something that I don't think currently exists... If one of the exchanges or perhaps a third party created some kind of merchant services API that automatically sold the incoming BTC at the current market rate the instant they hit 6 confirmations then merchants would only have to hedge against ~1 hour worth of market movement.

At present you could probably hack something together using MtGox's merchant service API and their trade API (basically make a bot that checks BTC balance and sells if > 0) but a polished product not requiring programming skills would be much better. Better still would be a similar service run directly by the exchange themselves... Is MagicalTux or Jered around?  

This is an excellent argument for not accepting dollars either.

My last customer of the day purchases a $100 item in my B&M shop. My profit margin was only 5% on that item. I close the store, taking all my cash home. That night, the market collapses halfway around the world, and now my dollars are almost worthless come morning. I knew I should have accepted Bitcoin.

OP- Get off your high horse.

Vendors who offer the same goods as other retails are not selling volume in the gazillions. Large retailers can sell at razor thin margins, and I find it amazing you would compare a start-up to NewEgg? Of course small operations will cost more. They allow Bitcoin payments, however, and that is their competitive advantage. Over time, you'll see prices come down and larger retailers take over with Bitcoin.

"Price gouging" is a ridiculous concept. If the price is too high, don't buy it. If you think it's so super easy to sell at lower costs, then start a store yourself!

There's also an issue of currency stability for resale of items with a real cost priced in fiat. Over the last 4 hours the median price has been ~10.92 USD/BTC with a standard deviation of ±0.41. That's about a 3.75% variation over just four hours and this in a market that is substantially more stable than it ever has been. Think about it - 3.75% market movement in about 4 hours comes to 0.938% per hour. If a merchant sells products 24 hours a day on the internet and liquidates to USD once per day (not an unreasonable timeframe really) then they could potentially incur 0.938% * 24 = 22.527% loss - and that's without breaking out of reasonable bands in the relatively stable market we've got today.

We've also seen that BTC is prone to spikes and crashes that could destroy small businesses in an instant. Imagine as an individual seller that someone buys your shiny new 6990 off of you for 32 BTC back when 1 BTC was 31 USD. This is a big purchase so naturally the buyer wants escrow, which is reasonable. By the time escrow clears you're at $10 per BTC and you've now sold that card for $322.58. Now imagine that times a thousand and understand why businesses HAVE to charge 20% markup or more just to offer product in bitcoins.

If you have any cost in USD you MUST mark up your product significantly to at least cover your costs in case of market crashes. Even then you still lose money in the event of a 31->10 crash like we saw earlier.

Bitbrew at http://bitbrew.net/ is a perfect example. I think bitaccordion.com is still available.

I agree with the point of the original post, but it might be a little short sighted - those drop-shipping services are the easiest thing for someone to set up, so doubtless a bunch of techies are trying to make a quick buck

genuine retailers otoh, aren't usually techy enough to get involved yet - although i have seen some promising progress on open-source plugins for webshop CMSs like OpenCart! Once they're released and trusted I think the 'genuine retailer' market will expand very quickly.

If you want to support BTC, I recommend bitbrew - I bought coffee from them internationally and it's a great service providing really really good coffee!

Exactly!


Example: This one-of-kind oil painting of a chicken is for sale for $120 but only 10 BTC (approximately $100) if you order today:





Every single stand-alone shop can now enjoy more traffic to their site simply by accepting Bitcoin and listing their site here: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Trade

That's what I am building. My GF crafts jewellery and I plan to sell them online... If that works I'll try to convince friends to sell their works too.

The issue is for non-techies to set up the store front-end and btc compatible carts. And in the end it's the non-techies who are more likely to sell hand-made or interesting things

In order to overcome this, we need good producers to make goods and offer them in btc. This can be a little hairy for them, though because they would probably buy their inputs in their local currency, and then it's hard to know what kinds of things people people in the btc economy would want to buy.

My wife sells coupons on ebay, but I'm not really sure there are enough couponers who also use btc, so we haven't even bothered to offer them.

That's why I'm an advocate for businesses to sell mainly indie items when accepting Bitcoin. There would be no inflated prices because their item(s) sell for the same price whether they accept fiat or Bitcoin. In fact, they could easily sell their indie item at a lower price point if paid for with Bitcoin, and still recognize a nice profite.


Or you could start a store called Cheaper with Bitcoin (cheaperwithbitcoin.com--steal this idea) and set it up to sell other peoples used stuff so that they can start collect Bitcoin into their wallets.

just find any item and it takes seconds



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newegg cost: 105$ free shipping
bitporium cost: 147.259$ + 19$ shipping

almost closing in on 50% markup!

I recently wanted to make some purchases to show my good faith in bitcoin from the marketplace, or bitcoin retail online stores.

However, it has come to my attention that pretty much everyone operating a "bitcoin shopping cart" service is merely offering the same items for sale on newegg or amazon or insert big box retailer here, and are charging 15-20% markup (not even including shipping). This is insulting and I would like to point out to everyone else who are bitcoin enthusiasts that we not support these sites taking advantage of people.

I support bitcoin but I will not support ripping people off in its name.

For example just go to www.bitporium.com or any other bitcoin retailer you know of. Look at the prices of items from high end to low end and then compare the prices on google shopping or what have you. As long as "retailers" accepting bitcoin are going to operate in this manner, it isnt going to help bitcoin grow at all, if anything it will shrink the potential user base who'd buy items online.

I know everyone has to make their fair share, but current trends are blatantly egregious in my opinion.

(buy a computer case on bitporium for $70 + ~20$ shipping that bitporium buys from newegg for 40$ and ships it to your address instead of theirs)

If you don't believe me, just go add items to your cart and look at the totals before check out, you will be surprised at what some of these "bitcoin community helpers" are attempting to get away with.