Topic: We need more Marxism and less Libertarianism in crypto (Read 1873 times)

Well, not just to be even more controversial but here's a both left libertarian and communist idea in planning stage - https://antok.co

 

Which is really just one of the many flavors of Statism.

That's my view also, although I'd replace "capitalism" with "free market economy".

The word capitalism has a pejorative connotation, and in fact can mean a system
where a portion of business is in cahoots with the state, recieiving subsidies and privileges like
artificial monopoly, all which distorts the free market.

to me libertarianism is synonymous with lassaiz faire capitalism, meaning the individual is free to operate without force or controls. (that's a good thing ).... anything else sooner or later requires force against the individual to support 'higher causes' or bend them to the will of some centralized planning or authority.. and that is something I don't think is good.  I still believe in the rule of law to prevent people from initiating force, threats, or fraud against others, but beyond that, I believe in freedom.  The government which governs best, governs least.

That what you said here is true but this is not limited to commies or communism (which never existed in reality),
this is the rotten human nature.
As you can see when there is austerity to be implemented in system like capitalism
the 1st target are the common people (working class)
that are targeted by the political elite by rising taxes and the (supporters) of the political elite
(banking sector, multinational companies, military ) is not targeted but instead money taken from the working class
is given to them

Commies not used to give anything what belongs to them to the community . They used to take yours and give it to their supporters.

Why don't you start OP by giving the community the private keys to your BTC wallet?

In an increasing amount of places, it's software that makes the grass grow.

...man

i agree that there is a problem, the devs do work and dont get paid. It is a design flaw.
But the funny part is, this problem is caused by a communistic idea (free software).

Dont get me wrong, i like free software. But it doesn't work or make sense in all cases (for the dev).

Communism professed to be about the redistribution or sharing of wealth, in fact, the Bolshevik revolution was funded by, and for the benefit of the Bankers.
Read Prof Anthony Sutton, Eustace Mullins and many others on this.
Communism was set up by and for the benefit of the Banking elites.
Promising to redistribute wealth was merely their way of getting the hungry jealous masses to go along with the mass killings and confiscation
(Robbery and Murder).

When they said redistribution, what they meant was, redistribution, up into their vaults, and they hate competition, look at Liberty dollars etc.
They hate limited commodity monetary systems as they can't just print money out of thin air and lend it to us as a debt, so they are
especially concerned about cryptocurrencies.

Name one Communist country where the masses ended up healthy, wealthy, and independent.
We don't have capitalism now either, one simple way to show this is the trillion dollar bailouts.
In a real capitalist, libertarian system, failed banks would be allowed to go to the wall.
The fiat monetary system we have now is engineered to syphon the wealth of nations up into the vaults of a very very few
wealthy elite families, call them the Bilderbergers, the Illuminati, whatever, but it's the same Banking families.
Cryptocurrencies go some way to challenging the control these globalist charlatans have on the issuance and control of money
and as such a big step step in the right direction.

We don't have a free market, libertarian, capitalist system right now, we live under the same kleptocratic system that took over China and Russia and dozens of smaller states where the country was taken over, millions killed and the wealth 'redistributed' up into the vaults of the Banking elites who
fund these 'revolutions'.
We haven't had true capitalism for well over 100 yrs, certainly not in the US where the privately owned Fed was set up in 1913 on jeckyl Island.
Shortly after the titanic disaster.

Even Lenin said something like, I'm in the driving seat of the car, but it's not responding to my input, someone else has control.

We don't need more Marxism, Communism, we need to try, perhaps for the first time ever, true, Capitalism, Libertarianism.

Mankind is not ready yet

this is the most ignorant post I've ever read, congrats

  we need less politics 

I don't get the point of this post.

We have freedom here, if you want your communism or equality or whatever - you just bring them on board and do your thing in the crypto world. No restrictions here, you're free to do as you please. (We don't even have good fraud protection mechanisms yet besides intelligence.)

I think that you guys have words like marxism and commnunism connected with practical cases of when those ideas were hijacked by speculators and manipulators, who in capitalist society, would probably lead some sects or financial schemes to gain money (power).

But in general marxism and communism dont really advocate leader nor central planning. Communism is actually stateless society  -  pure libertarianism, but without private property. Problem is how to get to that stage of society and moral level, when person will just share everything and will work just for the good feeling that he is enriching society, while other in society are enriching him. That is were state came into. Ofcourse state will manage this middle phaze and that is where hijacking happens.

I think under certain conditions voluntaristic communist society could work. But whole planning would have to be managed by software and computers, that would daily create quotes based on ever updating info about society. Also decentralised system would fit it best. But we have to get to that phaze through capitalism...this system will create technology, that will create abundance, then futuristic communist society is quite possible.

Also new communism wont be about workers, but jobless people who will be majority, their work will be done by robots.

"Too many useful things will render too many people useless" Karl Marx 

I can´t believe my eyes.

Well, there will always be a frontier somewhere.

While it lasts....

Nice punt. I really mean that: it's a change to bump into someone who actually read Marx and is following what he actually wrote. Even if it leaves you with the awkward burden of showing that every Communist leader, from Lenin onwards, is a heretic.

Move to the Congo to enjoy your libertarianism for some time.