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newbie
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Merit: 0
October 24, 2018, 01:08:36 AM
#26
A common issue on the forum is "merit and rank up".

Issue on this forum is spam and plagiarism not rank  Smiley

You are joining a forum for earning only? Make sense? You don't actually deserve a place here on the forum.

This forum make money too. Look at ads.
member
Activity: 247
Merit: 16
Learn and Grow
October 23, 2018, 06:35:54 PM
#25
people understand that!! but the mindset of everyone is different, when someone comes in to just make few comments due to bounty it becomes part of the eco system!! you can't add a certain type of program in the chat and expect not to get such, it is now a public place and you must be ready for the different type of characters you will find now!! few moderators to handle the high volumes daily
member
Activity: 518
Merit: 21
October 23, 2018, 11:38:32 AM
#24
I have seen too the other threads that merit again were being discussed. I cannot bare to see another newbie complaining and started a thread just to get merits. And the ending is that one has only deprive to get for merit source has ignore a newbie that would always do complain in the forum. Anyway, good for them for I was also like them but I am learning the process.

Changing mindset would be the best way to deal with other users here in the forum. One can get huge help even in just sharing basic knowledge and ideas to the newbies. This will create a good atmosphere also to the forum to avoid being labeled as spammer or shit poster.
sr. member
Activity: 1470
Merit: 325
May 24, 2018, 01:02:52 AM
#23
After watching a lot of threads, I think we specially the newbies should have clear idea about bitcointalk.org, that's why I'm trying to pointing out those which may change your mindset and help you to be an asset of the forum.

A common issue on the forum is "merit and rank up".

Most of us are too disappointed with the new merit system because it seems too hard (though it is not hard enough)
An example- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/5-lists-for-merit-earners-initial-merit-drop-to-the-next-recognized-rank-4104852


So, what is bitcointalk?
It is a forum, we all know. And what it means actually?
I was new here on bitcointalk in december 2017 after a friend told me to register. All was going well I was reading a lot in this forum and I had my activity points and was a Junior member. I earned 5$ a week because of my signature but I think in January they begun with this merit system and suddenly my account could not get no upgrade anymore. But if this is not worse enough there are "scam hunters" they accused me with cheating, trading merits, alt account and posting only shit.
They screwed me because these people are working together and accusing other people with scam but they do the most biggest scams on this forum. Because they are trading crossly merits with each other they have much power and much merits, the only thing they want to do is not to share the money they can earn.
Now I am only once in a month maybe on this forum because I do not like this kind of shit, and accuses, it is really sad and I  hope this forum will not lose all his popularity because of this kind of people who think they are smart because they have the power and earned much easy points before and now are trading themself with merits

It is an example only, there are a lot of threads related to it.
You are joining a forum for earning only? Make sense? You don't actually deserve a place here on the forum.

We need to change our mindset, we should take bitcointalk as a place of gathering knowledge, sharing your views, not a place of earning only.

Thanks

merit and rank system is overrated, i dont look at the rank of poster in this forum, and i dont care about signatures.
jr. member
Activity: 37
Merit: 1
May 24, 2018, 12:53:55 AM
#22
I'm happy this thread is the first I actually read into!

I made this account a little while ago (a month or so maybe) just thinking this to be "another" bitcoin forum.  I had no idea about the account level-up/signature system until recently.

Surprise surprise, here I am now!  Need that sweet passive revenue!  The content here alone is worth sticking around for tho, huh, who would have guessed?

What I mean is, of course the majority of "quality" posters here are here with money on their minds.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.  Income is needed for great things to happen, on some level.

Personally, I have shilled a thing or two I am not proud of but I realized my "mission" (ALONGSIDE getting all my sweet cryptoprofits and helping my friends/fam) is to TRY to educate new crypto users both online and off, or at the very least spread awareness about. (actually working on a cool little FREE FOREVER telegram/discord group....DM me if interested haha).  I would never shill something I haven't at least vetted to some degree, of course.  Not my style.  Right now I am just an avid knowledge-seeker, so I look forward to some good late-night conversation after a long day on the cryptomarkets *24/7 we know crypto don't sleep.

Currently I enjoy researching ICOs that I think may have a potential use case, writing about my findings, and probably posting them to all of you fine people.  If it seems appropriate. Wink

On a related note, I think the online cryptocommunity IN GENERAL is becoming very elitist and toxic, which to me feels counterproductive.  Shouldn't we want the world to have access to crypto?  I can imagine how it feels to ask an honest question or ask for an opinion from someone respected only to be met with nothing more than "DYOR, BTFD, HODL" or my favorites "Never sell at a loss" or "Need strong hands".  So helpful with something that is meant to be globally accepted and used.  Keep spreading that good knowledge, crypto truth seekers....you know who you are  Cool

Confession/introduction over, thanks for reading, and hello Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1540
Merit: 2036
May 24, 2018, 12:05:51 AM
#21
Hmmm...I'll have to take a look at his post history.
If you are looking for any specific info, just mention. I will tell you here or PM you. I don't want people like you wasting time  Grin

What they're probably looking to see is if you have a bought/hacked account.

I took a peek myself and it looks crazy weird that you took a 4 year hiatus to the day from the forum despite being here to earn money.

If you had kept up you would be in possession of a Hero/Legendary account and would have earned a significant amount.

peculiar to say the least.
member
Activity: 205
Merit: 29
Love yourself.
May 23, 2018, 11:56:30 PM
#20
Hmmm...I'll have to take a look at his post history.
If you are looking for any specific info, just mention. I will tell you here or PM you. I don't want people like you wasting time  Grin

Yet another failed attempt of getting Merits by showing concern about the forum and its purpose.
I'm really tired of them now.
Hello, seems you can read people's mind. Not bad.
You were active before the merit system. Do you know you have created 4 threads till now, 3 of those are this kind of.

Hello There!

Recently, I have noticed that the majority of newbies right after joining the forum, or making some posts somewhere else, come here and open a thread for just saying "Hi, I'm new here" or "Hello, I'm new to this forum" etc. Which is totally not needed. I mean, I can understand how you feel (as I have been where you are right now), but the forum is for you to read, understand and learn about Bitcoin, or any other cryptocurrency that exists. The purpose of this forum is not to introduce people to one another, but to share information with each other, which is what our aim should be, right from the start. We should not think of ourselves that "I'm just a newbie, what can I provide for others?", "I don't even understand how the things work yet.", but we should think why not? We have all the resources to learn the things that experts have. They don't/didn't travel to other worlds to learn the things, but they did it from where we are. So why can't we do that? Why don't we do that too? Instead of showing others that we know nothing, why don't we show them that we can also know what they know? Of course anyone can do that! with just a little efforts put in on something. All you got to do is to read, and read, and read, and understand. If you are here (in the forum) to learn something, then please, do that with honesty.

Okay, so what my point is, that if you are new, whether in Bitcoin or in this forum, don't just come here and post "Hi, welcome me! I'm new here", but instead, invest some of your time in reading some useful threads around the forum that you won't find difficult to get if you really look for them, and believe me, you will be interacting with others in the same way how the users with higher ranks do. But only if you be honest in doing so.

It is never about being new or old, it is all about understanding level of someone. If you can understand the things, you won't need to be an old user to know the things.

Try it! You won't regret.
Regards.

The thread is excessively over-flooded with useless posts. There are no proper discussions going on in that thread, nor there is any need of a discussion in there I guess. The first post of the thread carries the information that a user needs to know about the system, other than that, there is nothing useful in there. The thread has become a place for people to post utterly useless posts like "I need merits", "Merit is good", "Explain merit to me" etcetra.
Thus, I think, it would be better to just lock the thread and pin it there. So that anyone willing to know about the system can open it and read the OP and just leave without leaving his not-needed feedback in there too.

Hi everyone.

I know it might not sound a really good idea, or may no one agree with me, but I think it can (at least to some extent) reduce the spam threads popping up every day in every section/board of the forum.

We all know, of course because we see it all the time, that every new and useless thread carrying a thought/question that makes no sense at all is created by someone within the ranks of Brand New and Jr. member. Such threads give other people around them a chance to start spamming it with their useless replies. Thus, a thread started with a baseless argument ends up receiving over 100 pages of shit. And we are not talking about just one, but they are in hundreds, increasing everyday with a quite good pace. The users get tired of reporting, and the mods get tired of deleting them. So why not stop this all at once?

So, the basic idea that I propose to stop all this, is to restrict accounts below "Member" rank from creating new threads in most of the sections/boards, excluding a few like "Beginners & Help" or some other where they can freely post anything they wish as these boards are made specially for noobs and to help them. Doing so will absolutely reduce a very large number of useless threads started in almost every single thread of this forum.
It can obviously be implemented with changes, but I just wanted to propose the basic idea.

Suggestions/arguments are welcome.

Thanks for making me understood that both of us did attempt to gain merit but failed  Grin
member
Activity: 291
Merit: 20
I love my wife and my little girl
May 23, 2018, 11:38:48 PM
#19
They should learn about the forum structures, functions, basic rules, helpful topics on essential stuffs, like those ones:
[Tips] Guide for forum search
Unofficial rules of bitcointalk forum
and  a lot more topics, which you should find them by yourself and for your interests.
It's necessary for every new member to have a look around the forum first
full member
Activity: 700
Merit: 105
APESWAP
May 23, 2018, 05:01:26 PM
#18
It's necessary for every new member to have a look around the forum first and not just having money at the fore front. When I fist joined I got here because all my friends were here and with time I learnt I could earn money but before then I was a bit conversant with the forum and for that I am always grateful. For knowledge acquired from here and money as well
hero member
Activity: 2268
Merit: 669
Bitcoin Casino Est. 2013
May 23, 2018, 04:57:25 PM
#17
No matter what people set their mindset like learning/gaining information to earn merit and after that it will be set again to earning money after gaining enough useful information that is meritable, after all we are discussing cryptocurrency which is why bitcointalk is created base on bitcoin which is cryptocurrency as we know it.
newbie
Activity: 322
Merit: 0
May 23, 2018, 03:51:15 PM
#16
Yet another failed attempt of getting Merits by showing concern about the forum and its purpose.
I'm really tired of them now.


P.S: Change yourself first, and don't ask others to not do something that you are doing yourself. It makes you look bad, not good.

Why do you think he is trying to get merits this way? He is just concerned about what is happening to this forum. Yes, many people are here just to earn money. We must ensure that this does not become our only purpose of being on this forum. And as many here already said, we have to change ourselves first.
jr. member
Activity: 41
Merit: 1
May 23, 2018, 01:33:33 PM
#15
In my opinion, they're reflecting to other posts (maybe yours). This is not a fresh issue. If you wanted to solve this problem, please start with yours. Post some good threads then we will see. It would be reflected like a mirror.

Having a passive income, why not? Love to earning while learning. We need to see in a different way, that's how mindset would be changed I guess. Stay cool!  Cool
legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 2462
https://JetCash.com
May 23, 2018, 12:19:38 PM
#14
I think the fact that mindset is in the singular in the title is indicative of something. I don't think that the members of Bitcoin Talk have a single mindset, but that there is a rich variety of experience and knowledge here. Unfortunately the new members do hve a single mindset, and this is why I think their posting abilities should be restricted until the forum feels that they can be trusted to post on the main boards.
legendary
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Merit: 6880
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May 23, 2018, 11:35:47 AM
#13
Honestly, I only joined this forum to make money. Unfortunately I don't think this is the best place to actually learn about crypto, due to the fact that the majority of posts here are just people trying to earn money.
Great, you're part of the shitposting posse responsible for ruining the level of discussion.  You realize the problem and admitted you're part of it--so take a hike.

OP is obviously using the sophisticated merit begging technique we've seen so many times, and his post is fairly poorly-written as well.  Telling other people to vaguely change their attitude whilst attempting to conceal his true purpose of earning merit is aggravating.  Just go away.

I am glad to hear that after 4years and 6months of your membership here in bitcointalk
Hmmm...I'll have to take a look at his post history.
member
Activity: 93
Merit: 13
May 23, 2018, 11:30:22 AM
#12
Honestly, I only joined this forum to make money. Unfortunately I don't think this is the best place to actually learn about crypto, due to the fact that the majority of posts here are just people trying to earn money.

I much rather learn about crypto on other forums, and group messaging apps because these places don't directly pay out it's members for posting, so I feel like most posts are more-or-less genuine. Of course, you will still have people shilling their coins because they've bought in and need the price to rise, but that will occur everywhere. I just feel that in other places you're not really 'required' to post to gain activity or merits, so the posts that you do read are written by people truly passionate about what they are writing.

Here, unfortunately you have a quota to fill- you need to post to increase your activity number, you need a certain number of posts to stay active in bounties, you need good posts to gain merit. There's just too much 'forced activity' in my opinion, and this definitely results in the quality of posts being diluted.

For example, if I encountered the original post on a different site I'd quickly read through it, and say to myself "yeah, you know... He's right about this, but I don't agree with everything". I'd maybe thumb up or like the post, then move on, I definitely wouldn't think anyone would need to or care enough to hear my opinion on the matter. Here, I read the post and thought to myself "hey, I have an opinion on this matter, I can share it and increase my activity rating!".

Don't get me wrong, I do like being able to talk/read about crypto and gain crypto for doing so, but I also understand that basically every other post I read is from someone also trying to increase their activity/merit rating.
jr. member
Activity: 104
Merit: 1
May 23, 2018, 11:12:11 AM
#11
After watching a lot of threads, I think we specially the newbies should have clear idea about bitcointalk.org, that's why I'm trying to pointing out those which may change your mindset and help you to be an asset of the forum.

A common issue on the forum is "merit and rank up".

Most of us are too disappointed with the new merit system because it seems too hard (though it is not hard enough)
An example- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/5-lists-for-merit-earners-initial-merit-drop-to-the-next-recognized-rank-4104852


So, what is bitcointalk?
It is a forum, we all know. And what it means actually?
I was new here on bitcointalk in december 2017 after a friend told me to register. All was going well I was reading a lot in this forum and I had my activity points and was a Junior member. I earned 5$ a week because of my signature but I think in January they begun with this merit system and suddenly my account could not get no upgrade anymore. But if this is not worse enough there are "scam hunters" they accused me with cheating, trading merits, alt account and posting only shit.
They screwed me because these people are working together and accusing other people with scam but they do the most biggest scams on this forum. Because they are trading crossly merits with each other they have much power and much merits, the only thing they want to do is not to share the money they can earn.
Now I am only once in a month maybe on this forum because I do not like this kind of shit, and accuses, it is really sad and I  hope this forum will not lose all his popularity because of this kind of people who think they are smart because they have the power and earned much easy points before and now are trading themself with merits

It is an example only, there are a lot of threads related to it.
You are joining a forum for earning only? Make sense? You don't actually deserve a place here on the forum.

We need to change our mindset, we should take bitcointalk as a place of gathering knowledge, sharing your views, not a place of earning only.

Thanks

People's first motive why they join bitcoin is to earn money.  They don't came here to learn.  Let's face it.  But as they go along the way, they began to learn more and they acquire knowledge pertaining to bitcoin.  They also learn how to improve their english skills as it is needed here.  They keep on exploring and studying about bitcoin so they can relate it to the forum.  With regards to changing mindset,  it is their choice.  They have their own perspective and priority.  For me, it goes together.  You learn at the same time you earn.
member
Activity: 97
Merit: 12
May 23, 2018, 12:22:13 AM
#10
You might be wrong at some extent!
Shitposters don't not only contribute to dump the general quality of forum threads, but also massively create common dissapointed feelings from users (both old ones and newcomers).
No one want to see their shitshows everywhere in the forum, which in turn make readers really hard to find informative threads for their needs.
It's normal to see people want to earn money from different way but yeah , the way they do are ignore post quality which made the forum's quality down.

In my opinion, the correlations between forum traffic, shitposters, and forum threads' quality are mututal ones.
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But in other side, forum traffic increase and for who spend their money to advertise on this forum do not stupid ,right ? Becayse they see forum in different way !

legendary
Activity: 1862
Merit: 1015
May 22, 2018, 11:08:59 AM
#9
It's normal to see people want to earn money from different way but yeah , the way they do are ignore post quality which made the forum's quality down.
But in other side, forum traffic increase and for who spend their money to advertise on this forum do not stupid ,right ? Becayse they see forum in different way !
legendary
Activity: 2898
Merit: 1253
So anyway, I applied as a merit source :)
May 22, 2018, 10:43:29 AM
#8
After watching a lot of threads, I think we specially the newbies should have clear idea about bitcointalk.org, that's why I'm trying to pointing out those which may change your mindset and help you to be an asset of the forum.

A common issue on the forum is "merit and rank up".
Its because shitposters coming from some specific countries are spending time on this forum doing some bounties and other other methods of begging for shittoken airdrops in order to get paid. They dont want to educated themselves to get a real job.

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Most of us are too disappointed with the new merit system because it seems too hard (though it is not hard enough)
An example- https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/5-lists-for-merit-earners-initial-merit-drop-to-the-next-recognized-rank-4104852
Actually merit is hard to gather for the newbies and shitposters. But even though it may seem "easy" for established older members, it is not easy at all. The main problem with merit is that it tries to address a problem (of spam and shitposts) by another system which is susceptible to abuse via merit trades.


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It is an example only, there are a lot of threads related to it.
You are joining a forum for earning only? Make sense? You don't actually deserve a place here on the forum.
We need to change our mindset, we should take bitcointalk as a place of gathering knowledge, sharing your views, not a place of earning only.
Thanks
The shitposters will never change their mindset. For them this is "free money" and in my time spend on this forum I have often come across this phrase from shitposters : "who does not like free money" - How do you expect such scumbags to improve their mindset?
full member
Activity: 1035
Merit: 200
May 22, 2018, 08:19:37 AM
#7
Yet another failed attempt of getting Merits by showing concern about the forum and its purpose.
I'm really tired of them now.


P.S: Change yourself first, and don't ask others to not do something that you are doing yourself. It makes you look bad, not good.
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