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Topic: We really need ASIC competitors! (Read 2835 times)

legendary
Activity: 1778
Merit: 1008
April 17, 2013, 07:10:58 AM
#30
That's why i'm switching to litecoin for now. I don't feel comfortable relying on these custom hardware operations. Way too much scamming and delays even after a product exists. Hopefully litecoin can stay in the GPU realm. I trust AMD way more than the rest. I'm positioned well with a 7970 anyways.

How cool is this: Solar-powered 7970 rigs? Fantasy? Can they beat ASICs?

no. because you could solar power asic's A LOT easier. less power needed means less investment in solar hardware, which means less over all capital, thus higher profit. power is everything.
sr. member
Activity: 308
Merit: 250
ancap
April 17, 2013, 06:32:27 AM
#29
That's why i'm switching to litecoin for now. I don't feel comfortable relying on these custom hardware operations. Way too much scamming and delays even after a product exists. Hopefully litecoin can stay in the GPU realm. I trust AMD way more than the rest. I'm positioned well with a 7970 anyways.

How cool is this: Solar-powered 7970 rigs? Fantasy? Can they beat ASICs?
hero member
Activity: 924
Merit: 501
April 16, 2013, 05:04:11 PM
#28
LeoNovus to become major bitcoin miner?

Well there's a classic pump.  You gonna dump now?  I mean who the hell cares what you said in some meanless blog about some company who isn't even proposing to do what you propose they should. 

What if you could just buy shares of a little-known public company that was possibly gearing up to become a major bitcoin miner?  Wink

That would be fantastic. Got any actual leads?
newbie
Activity: 20
Merit: 0
April 09, 2013, 02:54:47 PM
#27
What if you could just buy shares of a little-known public company that was possibly gearing up to become a major bitcoin miner?  Wink
LeoNovus to become major bitcoin miner?
http://www.stockhouse.com/bullboards/messagedetail.aspx?p=0&m=32437815&l=0&r=0&s=LTV&t=LIST
legendary
Activity: 1988
Merit: 1012
Beyond Imagination
April 09, 2013, 07:05:37 AM
#26
I am surprised that AMD has not started their project yet, maybe samsung/nvidia already have something on going

I believe in 1-2 years time, ASIC miner will be everywhere, current silent is just temporary
hero member
Activity: 871
Merit: 1000
April 09, 2013, 04:48:17 AM
#25
What you do is whine at a high level!
My GPU-Rig with 2.4GH/s makes today much, much more profit than in 2012 or 2011 when the BTC price was at $3 or even $10! It's now $840/month or $28/day!
So what's the problem?
Or is it all of a sudden no hobby anymore for you?

I agree though, that a 2-4GH/s ASIC for $ 200-400 is missing on the market for hobby miners!
Except BFL offers him again!
sr. member
Activity: 272
Merit: 250
Cryptopreneur
April 09, 2013, 03:33:25 AM
#24
That's why i'm switching to litecoin for now. I don't feel comfortable relying on these custom hardware operations. Way too much scamming and delays even after a product exists. Hopefully litecoin can stay in the GPU realm. I trust AMD way more than the rest. I'm positioned well with a 7970 anyways.
member
Activity: 182
Merit: 10
April 09, 2013, 02:29:34 AM
#23
I feel like the only way to get affordable ASICs is for a company to make ASIC mining chips with the intent to sell singles, or small batches.  Preferably 2 or more of these companies.
hero member
Activity: 505
Merit: 500
April 09, 2013, 02:26:08 AM
#22
 I totally feel the OP n this.The big will get bigger while the small  will go smaller, which will harm the btc in long term.I dont think Avalon team likes the centralisation of the descentralisation it has become but its not their fault.I hope btc will not reflect modern society where rich get richer and middle class cease to exist.We need  afordable asics, not very expensive ones that only few can get.
Why do you think the other alt coins had/have such a huge success lately? I dont think Satoshi ever wanted a monopolised/centralised btc
legendary
Activity: 1973
Merit: 1007
April 09, 2013, 12:10:53 AM
#21
Competition would be great, but the only thing I see driving the price down is the market being flooded with ASICS. BFL releasing in the numbers they have promised should accomplish this. If you want to see a $1299 60gh/s miner, one of three things has to happen.

  • Bitcoin exchange rate drops to around $10/Coin
  • ASICs cause difficulty to surpass 700 million, yet exchange rate is stagnant
  • New honest ASIC developer is willing to gamble on increasing BTC prices and offers BTC preorders to fund development

With the amount of new scams popping up every day, I seriously doubt the last one is going to happen. The real dilemma we have here is that we've already funded Avalon and BFL development with large amounts of preorder money. Now that both companies have a working or close to working product, what is their incentive to sell you a device that pays for itself in 2-3 days? Even if there is competition in the market, BFL and Avalon can make at least 20x as much just mining with the equipment they build.

Of course, if BFL can really push out 400 devices a day, they would quickly run out of DC space, so they have the highest potential of actually selling devices for profit. And in that event, at current exchange rates, I would expect BFL devices to at least double in price once more. If BFL does keep their price at 2x original, I don't expect to see another consumer batch from Avalon any time soon.
mrb
legendary
Activity: 1512
Merit: 1028
April 08, 2013, 10:37:43 PM
#20
They are a full YEAR behind schedual!

6 months. Not a full year. Please don't spread misinformation.

With that said, I agree with your criticism that we need more competition. Beside Avalon and BFL, we have ASICMINER, and the "100TH-mine" company (you can buy shares, see business plan and thread). Disclosure: I am long on 100TH-mine.
sr. member
Activity: 448
Merit: 250
April 08, 2013, 08:47:24 PM
#19
If the ASIC miner is too concentrate, the bitcoin will be ruined. That's why Avalon sell their products. At the same time, as bitcoin value is increasing, I believe more and more players will join the development of ASIC miner.
Therefore, I don't worry about current situation. It will soon be changed if the bitcoin value keeps increase.
sr. member
Activity: 265
Merit: 250
Football President
April 08, 2013, 08:19:41 PM
#18
Today is would be more profiable not to sell your asic
I don't understand why the Avalon are selling product
They should just start minning  and refund every one(customers) there money
about 3 days of mining and they have paid off there hardware cost and then make a large profit
hero member
Activity: 1118
Merit: 541
April 08, 2013, 08:05:31 PM
#17

Even if there is competition that pops up everyone will dismiss them as scams and not order. Only thing you can really do now and be sure you'll get a product is make your own chip.

legendary
Activity: 2156
Merit: 1018
Buzz App - Spin wheel, farm rewards
April 08, 2013, 06:08:20 PM
#16
Hopefully KNCMiner is legit Smiley

We definitely need more ASIC companies.

With the amount of money they could make just by selling the machines, I'm sure there will soon be no shortage.
sr. member
Activity: 272
Merit: 250
Cryptopreneur
April 08, 2013, 06:05:04 PM
#15
Less people mining due to hardware availability. When the GPUS die out everyone mining bitcoin will depend on extremely limited amount of units to mine on. That can't be good compared to the GPU days when you could get a card instantly. Also in many cases people already had the hardware to mine so it easily attracted newcomers. Bottom line is that BTC is becoming more centralized with each tech leap.
sr. member
Activity: 353
Merit: 250
April 08, 2013, 05:42:34 PM
#14
You just need to mine LTC instead. BTC is gonna get ruined with all this custom hardware and it's limited availability.

How so? The same number of coins will be minted each day, whatever the total has rate or hardware used
hero member
Activity: 697
Merit: 500
April 08, 2013, 04:03:52 PM
#13
GPU/FPGA miners have already become the minority with regards to hashing throughput. Sure, I don't have actual numbers, but we're around 60 TH/s at the moment compared to ~20 TH/s a few months ago. Even if the remaining GPU/FPGA miners leave, it would have a minimal affect on BTC. It does concern me though that mining has gone from a hobbyist project to a concentrated business so quickly. More, cheaper mining devices would help push this off a bit.

Actually, that is false. The majority of the network as it stands right now (over 60 TH) is still comprised of GPUs and FPGAs. Avalon has only 19-20 TH in the wild and ASICMiner only has online about 7 TH at this time. Of course, this is subject to grow in the next weeks, but still, that only accounts for ~26-27 TH of the entire network. Unless there are some ghost ASICs hashing away in a hidden Illuminati bunker, most of the network is still made up of old tech. The recent growth spurt the network went through (and I'm talking about the last couple of weeks) is due to the price going to insane heights and luring in more GPU miners from the general public.

Ok so at this time let's just say ASICs form 50% of the network. If the 25-30 TH/s of GPU/FPGA users leave, in a few weeks they will be happily replaced by the 2nd wave of ASICMINER and 2nd wave of Avalon users. The price won't collapse as the same amount of BTC are generated each day. The amount of BTC changing hands on the exchanges are not affected by the 3600 coins minted each day. The network won't be any less secure than it was pre-ASIC. Nothing would change.
sr. member
Activity: 272
Merit: 250
Cryptopreneur
April 08, 2013, 04:01:56 PM
#12
You just need to mine LTC instead. BTC is gonna get ruined with all this custom hardware and it's limited availability.
member
Activity: 70
Merit: 10
April 08, 2013, 03:58:31 PM
#11
GPU/FPGA miners have already become the minority with regards to hashing throughput. Sure, I don't have actual numbers, but we're around 60 TH/s at the moment compared to ~20 TH/s a few months ago. Even if the remaining GPU/FPGA miners leave, it would have a minimal affect on BTC. It does concern me though that mining has gone from a hobbyist project to a concentrated business so quickly. More, cheaper mining devices would help push this off a bit.

Actually, that is false. The majority of the network as it stands right now (over 60 TH) is still comprised of GPUs and FPGAs. Avalon has only 19-20 TH in the wild and ASICMiner only has online about 7 TH at this time. Of course, this is subject to grow in the next weeks, but still, that only accounts for ~26-27 TH of the entire network. Unless there are some ghost ASICs hashing away in a hidden Illuminati bunker, most of the network is still made up of old tech. The recent growth spurt the network went through (and I'm talking about the last couple of weeks) is due to the price going to insane heights and luring in more GPU miners from the general public.

Yep, but as the ASICs hit the market, probably the GPU minin will not be profitable.
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