Topic: We will break the history cycle? - page 2. (Read 2421 times)
Woah...
Do you mean to say that individualism is bad in some way and that the liberation of the individual from irrational societal norms is detrimental to the "moral fiber" of society somehow?
Rome, when it started, being gay mean't getting killed...
Near the end, being gay was expected, women were mostly for having babies, pleasure was between men.
I am not saying that gay rights or women rights cause a civilization to fall, it is only a natural part of the process, as people become individualistic and do not need to do some stuff that now the state do for them.
And I do not got what singualirity has to do with my post.
Near the end, being gay was expected, women were mostly for having babies, pleasure was between men.
I am not saying that gay rights or women rights cause a civilization to fall, it is only a natural part of the process, as people become individualistic and do not need to do some stuff that now the state do for them.
And I do not got what singualirity has to do with my post.
I don't think we had gay rights movements 2000 years ago.
Maybe this is what you're talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
Maybe this is what you're talking about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity
Every 2 thousand years, the following cycle happen:
Several hundred years of "dark ages", where the families are the state, men fight, farm, build and hunt, women stay at home taking care of stuff there, and supporting men to fight outside.
Then, states begin to form, there are no need for 100% of the men to be cop and soldier at the same time, and some form of state controlled education starts.
states start to merge, by force, or by their own will, in various forms, be it a empire, federation, union or alliance...
As the few states get bigger and wealthier, and near the apex of power, they start to provide everything, and thus people start to become free to do whatever they want, men do not need to protect their families anymore, as now there are police and army, women do not need to stay at home, as men can work at home and do not need to fight all the time.
We get women rights and gay rights movements, the huge amount of bureaucratic work the state needs is filled by women that join the workforce, divorce laws are enacted, divorce rates rise, marriage rate starts to creep down.
Society is at its apex, the maximum amount of technology available, women reach equality and starts pushing for even more power, men want only to have sex, but no responsability, individualism skyrockets, the profession of babysitter becomes popular, birth rate plummets, that last fact is considered "good" since women with less children can have better careers, and thus are more equal to men.
The state, starts to have problems as now it has a aging population and lack of young people, also that same state, so gigantic, need absurd amount of soldiers worldwide to maintain itself intact, but now there are shortage of native population to do that, the state starts hiring mercenaries, and immigration becomes a acceptable way of replacing workforce. Natives move on to bureaucratic jobs, immigrants get the crap jobs.
The state now has huge debt problems, it starts a series of crisis, at first a small amount during a century, but later a person can see several economic crisis in his own lifetime.
The civilization go bankrupt, it fails to pay all the mercenaries, police and army. Immigrants revolt, foreigners invade, the population, individualistic and not knowing the ways of the dark ages anymore, falls prey to invaders easily, everything collapse.
The lack of trade, leads to lack of technology exchange, lots of technology is lost, and a bunch more of technology is hidden, humanity as whole actually get thrown back a bit, some places worse than others.
That thing happened several times in history, with the two most recent complete cycles being Babylon (apex circa -2000) and Rome (apex circa 0). And smaller civilizations failed the same way (without crashing the whole humanity down, obviously) in faster cycles.
Although the story I wrote is based on Rome, as you can see it looks like our own history... and basic theory says that we WILL fail, our civilization is doomed to repeat the cycle, and seemly we are past the apex and already in debt crisis mode.
But something happened this time... something... special.
Punks.
First, TV and Radio, spread the punk music and the punk movement, people that were anti-government for whatever reason, they had thousands of different ideologies, but they all, were enemies of the current caucasian state.
Then we had several of its splinters, the most important to us now, Cyberpunks.
Cyberpunks, spawned the Cypherpunks.
Cypherpunks, spawned Bitcoin, Wikileaks, Anonymous, and have their hand in the arab spring protests, the european revolution protests, in the occupy wall street protests.
WE are the Punks. It does not matter if you know about computers or not, if you actually identify as Punk, Cyberbunk, Cypherpunk, whatever or not, it does not matter, if you are part of anonymous or not, it does not matter if you are of the left, or the right, totalitarist or anarchist, if you are against the current government, you are a punk, you are part of it, specially if you act upon it, be it a small thing, like spreading your information to others, or using bitcoin, to big things, like helping the protesters in a significant way, or doing great hacking for Anonymous (and I do not mean joining a stupid DDOS or 4chan lulz stuff).
Thus, we have two facts: 1) history works in cycle, we are near the end of a cycle, we are in the debt crisis mode, UN and its fiat financial system is clearly failing.
2) punks are acting in a more and more cohesive manner, working against the state, even if they do not know why they are doing it, or how, or what will be the result, in fact many do not even know who their enemy is, some blame corporations, others their federal governments, but the end result is the same: Everyone is actually fighting the UN itself, they recognize it, or not. Everything is actually fighting against the caucasian empire (caucasians are about 10% of the world population, but controls about 50% of the land directly, and lots of places indirectly).
So my question is: Our actions are leading to a faster demise of the civilization, or we will transform civilization, save it and break the cycle? (it is not a choice, the path is already set, I am asking what the results will be).
Several hundred years of "dark ages", where the families are the state, men fight, farm, build and hunt, women stay at home taking care of stuff there, and supporting men to fight outside.
Then, states begin to form, there are no need for 100% of the men to be cop and soldier at the same time, and some form of state controlled education starts.
states start to merge, by force, or by their own will, in various forms, be it a empire, federation, union or alliance...
As the few states get bigger and wealthier, and near the apex of power, they start to provide everything, and thus people start to become free to do whatever they want, men do not need to protect their families anymore, as now there are police and army, women do not need to stay at home, as men can work at home and do not need to fight all the time.
We get women rights and gay rights movements, the huge amount of bureaucratic work the state needs is filled by women that join the workforce, divorce laws are enacted, divorce rates rise, marriage rate starts to creep down.
Society is at its apex, the maximum amount of technology available, women reach equality and starts pushing for even more power, men want only to have sex, but no responsability, individualism skyrockets, the profession of babysitter becomes popular, birth rate plummets, that last fact is considered "good" since women with less children can have better careers, and thus are more equal to men.
The state, starts to have problems as now it has a aging population and lack of young people, also that same state, so gigantic, need absurd amount of soldiers worldwide to maintain itself intact, but now there are shortage of native population to do that, the state starts hiring mercenaries, and immigration becomes a acceptable way of replacing workforce. Natives move on to bureaucratic jobs, immigrants get the crap jobs.
The state now has huge debt problems, it starts a series of crisis, at first a small amount during a century, but later a person can see several economic crisis in his own lifetime.
The civilization go bankrupt, it fails to pay all the mercenaries, police and army. Immigrants revolt, foreigners invade, the population, individualistic and not knowing the ways of the dark ages anymore, falls prey to invaders easily, everything collapse.
The lack of trade, leads to lack of technology exchange, lots of technology is lost, and a bunch more of technology is hidden, humanity as whole actually get thrown back a bit, some places worse than others.
That thing happened several times in history, with the two most recent complete cycles being Babylon (apex circa -2000) and Rome (apex circa 0). And smaller civilizations failed the same way (without crashing the whole humanity down, obviously) in faster cycles.
Although the story I wrote is based on Rome, as you can see it looks like our own history... and basic theory says that we WILL fail, our civilization is doomed to repeat the cycle, and seemly we are past the apex and already in debt crisis mode.
But something happened this time... something... special.
Punks.
First, TV and Radio, spread the punk music and the punk movement, people that were anti-government for whatever reason, they had thousands of different ideologies, but they all, were enemies of the current caucasian state.
Then we had several of its splinters, the most important to us now, Cyberpunks.
Cyberpunks, spawned the Cypherpunks.
Cypherpunks, spawned Bitcoin, Wikileaks, Anonymous, and have their hand in the arab spring protests, the european revolution protests, in the occupy wall street protests.
WE are the Punks. It does not matter if you know about computers or not, if you actually identify as Punk, Cyberbunk, Cypherpunk, whatever or not, it does not matter, if you are part of anonymous or not, it does not matter if you are of the left, or the right, totalitarist or anarchist, if you are against the current government, you are a punk, you are part of it, specially if you act upon it, be it a small thing, like spreading your information to others, or using bitcoin, to big things, like helping the protesters in a significant way, or doing great hacking for Anonymous (and I do not mean joining a stupid DDOS or 4chan lulz stuff).
Thus, we have two facts: 1) history works in cycle, we are near the end of a cycle, we are in the debt crisis mode, UN and its fiat financial system is clearly failing.
2) punks are acting in a more and more cohesive manner, working against the state, even if they do not know why they are doing it, or how, or what will be the result, in fact many do not even know who their enemy is, some blame corporations, others their federal governments, but the end result is the same: Everyone is actually fighting the UN itself, they recognize it, or not. Everything is actually fighting against the caucasian empire (caucasians are about 10% of the world population, but controls about 50% of the land directly, and lots of places indirectly).
So my question is: Our actions are leading to a faster demise of the civilization, or we will transform civilization, save it and break the cycle? (it is not a choice, the path is already set, I am asking what the results will be).
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