Topic: Webcam model gets $7k during cam show. Would you be generous like that? (Read 2983 times)

There is no bigger picture.  Camwhore takes off her clothes for money.  Guys show up, she takes off her clothes, they pay money.



He has the right to dress however he wants.  You feel entitled to his body, and you try to shame him for what he wears.




I've never seen that.  I don't think anyone here has ever seen that happen. 


 


That doesn't happen.  You really don't know much about men's behavior, other than how they act when they're masturbating during online chats.






lol.  "If you give me money, you're the only real man who can think for himself."


 
Don't you sell yourself to the highest bidder to take you into private chat?
 "No, I only choose the guy I want." 

Oh, that's right.  Only the "alpha male", which happens to be the only one willing to pay you.  That's totally different.




People still have that choice.  The vast majority of men choose not to go to camsites at all.  You're interacting with the bottom of the barrel.  The saddest, most desperate members of humanity. 

And then you're going to come tell us how all men act, based on your exploitation of the lowest needs and desires of the lowest and loneliest members of society who can still afford internet access.




Why would he ever spend anything on you at all?  Most of these guys probably just want to look at a woman's body, maybe have some level of interaction with that woman because it's all they can get. 
Since they're already getting what they want for free, most of them probably only give you a little money out of pity because they feel sorry for you.



They want attention, you want money.  But they don't value your attention very highly, since you give it to any stranger with a few dollars.




So the customers give you a place on their list, and you give them a place on your list.  You have made it clear that you value some people less than others.  Fair is fair, don't whine about it when you're doing the same thing.



You're jealous that he spent money on another woman instead of you, so you block him.  You want attention and loyalty from men, but you don't want to give attention or loyalty.  You want to feel secure in knowing that a man is devoted to you, but you're terrified of depending on just one man for that validation.  So you make sure no one man is ever that important, and you get as many men as possible to give you that attention and devotion, and they're all disposable because you have so many backups.  It's their place to be 1 of hundreds - but you don't want to share their affection with even 1 other woman, so you block them. 

And while you talk about "they're just worried about other men", you seem highly concerned with other "models".  Have you heard of "projection"? 

It's not so much about how these guys treat you;  it's about how they treat you compared to how they treat other girls.  So you can brag and people can ooh and ahh over your ranking and your fans and whatever else you have more of, so you can show off and feel better than other women.




Not really.  There are millions of men who know exactly what they want:  a virgin who will marry him and stay faithful the rest of their lives. 

But I don't suppose there's any use trying to have a conversation with you about anything other than yourself, and all the problems with getting money for being naked, and how all these guys are so rude because they won't just give you all their money. 

I think I'll go read some waitress complain about how waitressing is the hardest job.

As a man it's clear that no matter what choices you make over YOUR OWN BODY there will always be some "female" with her own opinion that doesn't benefit you in any way.

If you give her compliments:  100% broke, just wants attention from fake compliments
If you're selective:  Half-gay asshole who is more worried what other men think
If you're interested in casual sex:  A misogynist who sees women as objects
If he pays 1000 tokens a day for it:  She blocks you
If he's just not interested:  He's gay, he body-shames women, he's insecure, blah blah blah

But will she be stupid enough to quote OP with a large picture? Doubt it

I wrote long drawn out post and then realized "not worth the effort". Still is it me but how many times does a man have to promote raping women? I counted about 9 or 10 times as this isn't about sex but about power. Males rape. Men don't.

Also as a woman it's clear that no matter what choices you make over YOUR OWN BODY there will always be some "male" with his own opinion that doesn't benefit you in any way.

If you wait for marriage: Prude/ Boring
If you're selective : Cunt ( Will not sleep with me!)
If you're interested in casual sex: Slut ( Sure I'll sleep with her but she's not worth it to marry)
If she's charging you : Whore ( I hate you will not give it to me for free!)
If she's just not interested : Frigid Bitch ( Why don't want to do threesomes and bareback anal everyone loves it !!)


Yes as it seems women will always piss some entitled guy off because well she should want x,y,z even if she's seeking a, g and e. Nothing new. Once women figure this out that no matter what they do they'll piss someone off, that's when life gets really great because you're enjoying your own choices and don't care what others think.

Guys like that one above will always be trapped in a sea of doubt, shame, entitlement, and always feeling like some other guy is getting what he deserves meanwhile the man that tipped that probably has a bulging hard on based on the anger from other men in this post. Congrats your response is exactly what he wanted to see:)

Good for her but I wonder who is the person who gave the donation? (A millionaire? a winning gambler? or someone obsessed with that specific model? etc...).
$7,000 seems like allot of money to give on a momentary whim but you never know the full story behind it.

Well written but completely way off. He's has a small view but he's never asked the question "why does this happen or why does that happen". I'll explain at least for some or most women why these things happen. I can't talk for every woman obviously but I will try to explain certain things.

Wait a minute now. If you think this is really about a flash of skin you're missing the bigger picture here. If you really sit back and watch, I mean really watch, most of the tipping has little to do with the women and more to do with how men like to show off in front of other men. Think about your average strip club. Why would someone show up at 2am in a suit? It's not like it was so difficult not to stop home for a quick change right? Alot of this behavior is a signal to other men. "Making it rain?" what's the purpose of that when the guy could have just waited til she got off stage and handed her a wad of cash privately. Point is no one gets to see and " oooh and aaah" at the display of his wealth.

Why do you think traffic is so incredibly important on free chat sites? You can have 99% non tippers but as long as you have an alpha that likes you? You're golden.

Think about how many times you've seen in another country how one man yelled out in a crowd " take her clothes off" and how on autopilot 50 men that hear the "trouble maker" jump into action to start grabbing clothes off of a strange woman?

Another example? A few college guys go out and they're drunk seemingly harmless but one guy shouts "let's break in and steal that Ducati!". Sure one guy will think no way but the rest will egg him on in a " what you scared bro?" In that moment one of the most respectful guys in the group ends up smashing a window only to get caught and later have to explain why he did it.

Sites like MFC and Chaturbate tend to work on mob mentality and not individuality. If one man screams dude she's ugly many will follow along with that assessment even if they secretly disagree.

On MFC I always made more as long as I had an alpha in the room ie the man that thinks for himself which is rare. The rest in general tip if that one person tips high enough to determine your worth like someone has me on some type of auction block.

The minute you loose that one member the rest come in like vultures to pick your bones clean.

Pre-MFC days left each individual to make his or her own choice on what he desired and what he liked. He didn't need others to agree with him and he also didn't need to sit and watch you for 6 hrs a day for months before he actually spent on you.

When I log in on mfc I always know that the first 5 or 8 people that write something in my room are 100% broke. They want attention and jump in the room before you get burned out on the fake compliment.

Hierarchy is another aspect to camming that again wasn't a focus pre-MFC. If you're a model that draws a big enough crowd members will tip a certain amount  without asking. Now move down the page and your tips from that same members will be less. The member may like you and enjoy your company but the site crowd has determined you're valued at less than models above.

Even on chaturbate I'll have an appearance of members that are "dark purple" meaning they tipped over 1000 tokens within the last 24 hrs (somewhere else)  but they hang out in my room for 5-6hrs not tipping anything". The same member will continue to show up over and over again almost loudly chatting in the room in a "look a me guys I'm a 1000+ tipper daily". Again it has little to do about me and more about him getting the attention of men in the room. He spent the money he planned to spend that day but still wants that "wow look at me" attention. In this case he goes from room to room with his deep purple name tag trying to show models and members alike " I have money". There's a 1% chance he'll ever spend it on you so I tend to block what I consider "the attention whore" after his third visit.

Taking this a step further ... One night a year or so back I had a bunch of member sitting in my room on MFC. Now the attitude was a tad unpleasant as there was someone trying to push for me to do something but obviously had no intention of tipping. The behavior was bully style and I thought hmm what's the deal here? Sure enough I sent a male submissive to beg others to watch his cam. If he could get them to watch then he didn't have to continue to tip me.  Now I was thinking "haah it will never happen, he'll have to continue to tip me yah! Sure enough I pop in his " viewer cam feed" and notice that he has more men watching him play with himself than there are men watching me in my room. Yes mind=blown.

If you look at sites like Chaturbate and Cam4 you'll notice that women on both of these sites where there are male cam models do worst than when there aren't male cam models to watch. Male cam models tend to do incredibly well on these sites and are tipped in many cases fully clothed. Female models on these sites tend to do more extreme shows in order to receive very small tips. Gapping holes anal /dp /vomit/urine/poop etc.

My point is the average modern man may like women but from my 5 year view of camming he's way more interested in other men.

The reason I know this for a fact is that when I sign in some nights the comment that comes out is " why aren't there more people in your room or where are all of the members?" That man will pop in and out and then right when the room gets full he start demanding almost hysterically that I go private with him. Obviously he could have taken me private 4 hours prior but all of a sudden he just has to have me after the crowd of " ooh my cock blah blah " gets posted over and over again.

The direct " I know what I want" type is incredibly rare. He comes in chats and is ready to go private and doesn't need the masses to agree with what he wants to do with his own body. Very rare indeed.

This is also why you'll see models on private sites (like SM aka Streamate ) that even with a 35% take in they still make more money than the average MFC or chaturbate model. Again this is because it's mostly about what the individual wants and not what the group says someone should want. The site has gold shows but many models don't even use it because it's alot of work for a low payout. There will always be that one guy that thinks he should direct an entire show for his $1 buy in when there are 99 other people that tipped to get in.

The average spender on a free chat show cam site spends no more than $20 -$50 per model but will be on the site for close to 4-16 hrs in a day. On a site like chaturbate? It's more like no more than $.50-5.00. So you'll continue to see these mega tips as long as you don't want to take a model private , have the fun you want and then leave. You have to think that members that can spend like that want men that can't afford it to talk about it. He's probably secretly getting rock hard off of the attention.  You're also bringing the model traffic because everyone will want to figure out "Who is this woman that this man tipped 7k to". So you're keeping the business flowing exactly the way they want it too.

I mean don't people get the whole Kardashian super status? Sex tape and insta-stardom? The more people talk about you the more people will be interested in getting to find out more about you. This is the golden rule in business that requires "viewers, clicks,traffic".


So before you start pounding your fist in a " how dare he do this for her" think about what you spend on sites and how much you actually get to see without spending a dime. Then think about the average amount models really make and then you'll realize that how members tip is part of what creates the several thousand dollar tipper. For me as a model that one tipper can actually change your life dramatically to the point you're actually saying "this man just took care of my survival concerns in one swoop". Cost of living and comfort is major. When someone can do that you're beyond grateful. On the same token when someone pops in and tips 1 token and then demands things you're thinking " Did this guy really just tip me 5 pennies?" Like I can't even buy 1 piece of gum for that but now I'm supposed to show nudity for 5 pennies? Yes you're really sitting there with this painful expression on your face like someone stabbed you with a dull blade. Models are grateful for all tips but the bare minimum on MFC used to give an alert that said something on the order of please tip more as not to insult the model.

I've been with her yesterday during the show and she's really engaging

Pessimistic but very well written runpaint.

Men don't understand that they are used like cheap whores. 

Men want sex, women want money.  We want other things, but those are the main things being traded when relationships are treated as transactions. 

But dating isn't an exchange of money for sex - it's an exchange of money for the HOPE of sex.  So already men are "putting out" more than they're getting - and a lot of times they never get anything at all no matter what they give.  "But the man got to enjoy her company."  And she got to enjoy his.  They both ate the dinner, but only he paid.  They both watched the movie, but only he paid. 

So typically the man is the only one giving anything at all, unless and until he gets to have sex with her.  And even then, when he gets what he's spent endless time and money to get, he's expected to give her pleasure in addition to all the other things he's already given her.  Why?  For the hope of more sex.  But that's beside the point, because vaginas are seen as far more valuable than penises in our society.  Most men accept a lower position in the bargaining, willingly giving women the upper hand in the negotiations. 

Now, if a woman gives a man sex immediately and without asking for anything in return, she has placed a low value on herself.  She has made herself cheap and easy.  A man doesn't want to marry a woman who sleeps with him immediately, because he knows that she will sleep with a man as soon as she meets him.  Therefore, he can reasonably expect that she will continue sleeping with new men after he marries her.  And even if he just wants sex and not marriage, he probably won't value her more highly than she values herself.  If any man can have sex with her, then why would he spend a lot of time and money when it's not required?  That's why dirt isn't expensive;  anyone can pick it up whenever they want.

So.  What happens when a man is "cheap and easy"?  If all you're offering a woman is money, hoping to get sex, why would she give you sex if you give up the money immediately?  And she wouldn't want to marry you, because you'll hand over money to any woman who smiles at you.  Why would she marry a man who's going to give thousands of dollars to every waitress or camwhore who flirts with him?  She's not going to value more highly than you value yourself.  In fact, she will smile and take your money, and you'll think you've impressed her, but she sees you as disgusting for groveling and begging like a dog. 

The fact is that most women you date are not that attracted to you, and they see you as disposable and easily replaced.  Have you ever wondered if a woman finds you attractive?  Then she doesn't.  If you were Brad Pitt, you would know it.  If women treat sex as a favor they do for you, then obviously they don't enjoy having sex with you.  Or at least they know you want it more than they do, so they use that as leverage to get things from you.

How do women have this control over sex?  Don't most women want babies, and don't they need men too?  Yes, but you believe that your manhood depends on whether or not you can have sex with a woman.  If you're a 40-year-old virgin, you don't tell anybody.  You're ashamed, because you have been trained to define your self-worth on the approval of women.  And there couldn't be a better system for women.  That's why women know you'll wait and work and pay for sex - you HAVE to, or you're not a man.

You're not a man until she says you're a man.  And even then, she can take away your manhood at any time, simply by saying no.  "You're not a man unless you buy me this.  You're not a man unless you take out the trash and pick up your socks.  You're not a man unless I have sex with you."  And the ultimate enslavement in our society is when you marry a woman on these terms.  At least when you were dating, you could always find another woman to validate your self-worth.  But when you've agreed to give this one woman complete control over whether or not you're a man, how can you not see what will happen? 

Why are you puzzled that women gain weight after marriage, they stop giving blowjobs, they stop trying to please you?  Why wouldn't they?  The only leverage you ever had in the relationship was the possibility that you would find another woman.  Other than that, it was just her stringing you along with the hope of sex, until you legally agreed that all your property belongs to her and you're not allowed to have sex with any woman but her, and not even her unless you do whatever she wants.  After you marry her, you have nothing left that she wants.  She has it all.  She no longer has to bribe you with sex, because she can nag you and make your life miserable if you don't please her. 

Looking at all of these things, people struggle to understand the insane shrieks of feminists.  How can they say our society is against women?  How can they say we live in a rape culture?  Obviously, they're spoiled by their supreme privilege.  They are so sheltered from the harsh facts of reality that their first-world problems seem like real problems to them.  In fact, they have an entire set of problems which are more ridiculous than regular first-world problems, because even first-world men don't have it as easy as first-world women. 

But why?  Why are they so spoiled, and how did they get that way?  Because we protect them.  The fact is, most any man has the strength to rape most any woman.  That would "prove he's a man", according to women's standards of not being a man unless he can have sex.  How do men allow women to degrade them so consistently? 

Think about this concept:  Women tell jokes about small penises.  Men generally get embarrassed and/or want everyone to know their penis isn't small.  But why would you ever care what these women are saying?  Women have no penises at all!  It doesn't matter how small yours is, it's bigger than hers!  So how can she look down on you?  How can you let her?  It's all an illusion.  It doesn't matter.  It's not about your penis, because even porn stars can feel ashamed because their girlfriend slept with a guy that had an even more enormous penis.  Your actual penis is beside the point, as long as they can keep you believing that their approval determines your worth as a person. 

The concept of "you can't get laid" is the same thing.  Women even use this on men they don't know - "You're an asshole, you probably can't get laid."  What's the message?  "If you say anything I don't like, you won't get sex, and therefore you have no worth."  They threaten us by saying OTHER women won't sleep with us.  If you comment on a Youtube video and say "Valentine's Day is a ripoff that makes men waste money," some woman will tell you that "You won't have much luck with that attitude."  In other words, keep your mouth shut or lose the hope of sex.

 But these methods of control only work if you let them.  Just like a person with no penis making fun of yours, it's so stupid that it should never be allowed.  If a woman says you probably have a little dick, say "It's bigger than yours."  If a woman says you can't get laid, say "I could rape pretty much any woman I want."  And you could.  You don't, but they take that for granted and even mock you for it.  If you've ever moved from a bad neighborhood to a good neighborhood, you can appreciate your neighbors for being friendly, helping you if you need help, and not robbing your house.  But women don't appreciate that kind of thing.  We build everything around them and make a society that is centered around their safety, but they just think everything runs itself and that we have to be nice. 

They slap us, we don't do anything.  They think that means they won, when in fact it means the only reason they're still standing is because we protect them.  We could easily punch them in the face, but we don't.  Feminists talk about men like we're all rapists, when the fact that they don't get raped every day proves them wrong.  It's like Eric Garner being arrested 28 times, and then he died during his 29th arrest.  Somehow that's supposed to show that police kill people all the time?  In fact it shows that being arrested is usually so safe that he did it 28 times and was completely unafraid of it happening again. 

Women are like those protesters, screaming in the faces of policemen, saying they're dangerous murderers.  They're so spoiled that they aren't the least bit afraid to get in a cop's face and scream at him.  These cops are so non-violent that they do nothing while people scream in their faces, and those people use the cop's good nature and discipline against him.  Same thing with feminists - because we would never rape anyone and we all agree that rape is terrible, we let them push us around while they scream about rape.  If there was any truth to what they were saying, we would just rape them until they shut up.  But men generally don't rape, as a rule, because we believe it's wrong.  We don't want to hurt women, and we don't want to force them to do things they don't want.  But we're so focused on protecting them that we let them force us into doing things we don't want. 

In the exchange of money for sex, raping a woman is off-limits.  Our government will lock you up for years if you're caught taking from women like that.  But our government doesn't protect men on the other end.  Our government actively helps women rape our money.  They take it from us and give it to the women, and we get no sex in return.  All we have is our labor, our stress, our work, our money.  And they take it from us, so we have an even smaller chance of "proving we're men".  How can we pay for enough dinners and movies to get sex, when we're paying a mortgage for our ex-wife and her new boyfriend to live in our house while we also have to rent an apartment for ourselves?

The point is, the rules are already against us.  Everything is set up in the woman's favor.  So don't add to your own misery by throwing money away and playing into their games.  Why would you give a huge tip to a cute girl?  So she'll think you're special?  Are you trying to buy her affection?  Do you pay your friends money so they'll like you more? 

The bottom line is that you can make your own rules.  If you don't want your relationships to be about trading money for the hope of sex, then just say that up front.  If they don't like it, you've saved a lot of time and can move on to someone else.  If a woman is straightforward in saying that she has no interest in spending time with you unless you act like her servant, then you can decide whether you want to accept that kind of offer.  Decide what you want, or you won't be happy with anything you get.  Most women do have an idea of what they want, so at least ask yourself what you're hoping to accomplish before you give away piles of money. 

If you have a particular result in mind, at least you can tell if you achieved it.  Because the times I've seen guys leave $100 tips for waitresses, I doubt the intended result was for the waitress to tell her friends that she's afraid the guy might be a stalker and she hopes he doesn't come back.  And yes, they'll say it about their boyfriends too.  "I told him I like dolphins, but now he brings me some kind of dolphin present every weekend.  I'm tired of all these dolphins, I wish he would stop."  Again, if your intention was to make her take you for granted and see you as a subservient slug that will do anything she says, then mission accomplished.

It's posts like these that make me throw up with disgust at modern men and what they would do for a glimpse of some skin. The women aren't to blame, because if there is demand, there will be a supply.

just found that girl on thumbnail profile http://www.chaturbatefreecams.com/sexygirlforyouuu/

what's your MFC profile?

Some girl who was initially testing streamium got up to 2 grand I believe but lost it all because the software is still pretty new. Its progressed a lot and I've opened a Adult Webcam Directory at http://www.streamiumcams.com  if you are interested in joining. One girl is going 'live' at 12:30 a.m (PST ) tonight ( https://streamium.io/s/tia )   if anyone wants a few bits of Bitcoin to see how it works let me know.

7K is enough to pay a whore for 1 month to 1 year with daily services.

Of course no

I received a high tip on MFC  a ways back. It's was about 38000 which is roughly $3800. My cost of living is high because of where I live so I pretty much tried to double it successfully I might add:) Still its
attracts other spenders that want to top the last guy. I was burned out so I didn't take advantage but my "scamscore" put me up to 5000 or something like it. Then I started dropping but I realized for a day I was ranked 77th. That's when it hit me how much the models in the top 100% really make every month.

On naked we used to be able to log in and see what a model made for the week. One was consistently bringing in about 10k a week while I was just glad to pull in $700 a week.

Most of my high tippers wanted to meet in person which honestly I can't blame them for that desire. If you're spending that much the thought will cross your mind.

There was maybe one I thought hmmm what if and then he kept pushing and eventually became a bit nasty so I realized "oh better not get taken too deep into fantasy". He was super cute too. Darn shame. lol

Wait that's chaturbate? Bet that tipper is from MFC. Chaturbate types typically don't spend like that but There have been MFC models that have received 477,760 token drops. I mean yes.

We need bitcoin guys like that ha! 

I think the most successful cam shows do it by convincing the "clients" that they are more than just clients.
I mean, even a hundred sounds too much for a camgirl, but if you've been roped in and become a "regular" and a lot of the donations are guised as "gifts", I can easily imagine a lot of people seeing it as some sort of online relationship.
And if you think of it from that perspective, a gift of a few hundred is possible. 7k sounds huge, but still sounds feasible.

People really don't know what to spend Bitcoin on do they? lol!

I would not think about it if someone pays $7 or even $70 for a cam show.
But $700 is already looking crazy for me and $7000 is a amount which I think there's a bigger story behind this.

My two guesses are:
a. the guy didn't know about the costs before "accepting" the contract.
b. amorousness is involved.

Ridiculous, really stupid. Why on earth would you give 7k dollars to someone that has no talent whatsoever besides showing her ... You could have spent that money on so many things or donated it to so many causes.

And dont tell me people can do whatever they want with their money, they can but that doesnt mean this is not stupid.