Weexchange/Bitfunder User Deposit Addresses. Where are the coins "gone"?

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Quote from: Kouye on February 21, 2014, 09:32:40 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on February 21, 2014, 03:54:12 PM

5000+? It would be unlikely that those were the funds of one private person only because it was practically the who weexchange wallet. But i dont see where you got the 5k from.

I ~~deducted (apparently wrongfully) from~~ misread and imagined from klabaki post that 19ENd was tied to a known address of Ukyo (one he used for refunding the 6%).
I'm sorry (and sorry I spent so much time, and bothered so many people, too Undecided

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I doubt that too many people read this thread at all but i made errors in this too already.

Looks like this forum lawyer isnt in the forum anymore at all. No reaction to pm nor email. I wanted to ask him if he thinks he can get more information in case there is a gag order. Or if there is a gag order at all.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on February 21, 2014, 03:54:12 PM

5000+? It would be unlikely that those were the funds of one private person only because it was practically the who weexchange wallet. But i dont see where you got the 5k from.

I ~~deducted (apparently wrongfully) from~~ misread and imagined from klabaki post that 19ENd was tied to a known address of Ukyo (one he used for refunding the 6%).
I'm sorry (and sorry I spent so much time, and bothered so many people, too Undecided

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Quote from: Transisto on February 17, 2014, 01:04:01 PM

Quote from: Kouye on February 13, 2014, 03:42:32 PM

I googled every input from this TX with no luck.
https://blockchain.info/tx/1e3198fd649c8d67d197bb754a344790c5d4c22fbdd45753f7d2afbb66f0dc6e

Transisto is still the only one to know who the 19ENd address belongs to... And he does not seem to be very active, unfortunately.

... 19ENd is DeadTerra / IceDrill address.

Can you show a website or something that proofs this?

Quote from: Kouye on February 20, 2014, 07:30:24 PM

It is almost 100% sure now that 5000+ coins went from an address owned by Ukyo to an addresss owned by DeaDTerra (for IceDrill investment).

5000+? It would be unlikely that those were the funds of one private person only because it was practically the who weexchange wallet. But i dont see where you got the 5k from.

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Quote from: Kouye on February 20, 2014, 07:30:24 PM

It is almost 100% sure now that 5000+ coins went from an address owned by Ukyo to an addresss owned by DeaDTerra (for IceDrill investment).

I'm sorry but does it matter much?

Anyone who has a brain can see that Ukyo stole/lost over a million dollars of users' deposits. He isn't even really bothering to keep up the façade anymore.

Does tracking how he spent his stolen bitcoins matter? It has been months, he doesn't even post updates anymore, he's under no pressure to returns the stolen deposits, and no one is doing anything about it. You might as well just move on I guess because Ukyo stole a LOT of money, including mine and your own, and got away with it.

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We need a confirmation from @DeaDTerra.

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It is almost 100% sure now that 5000+ coins went from an address owned by Ukyo to an addresss owned by DeaDTerra (for IceDrill investment).

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Quote from: Transisto on February 17, 2014, 01:04:01 PM

... 19ENd is DeadTerra / IceDrill address.

Superb, thank you for confirming, Transisto.
Next step, shoot a PM to DeaDTerra, I guess.

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Quote from: Kouye on February 13, 2014, 03:42:32 PM

I googled every input from this TX with no luck.
https://blockchain.info/tx/1e3198fd649c8d67d197bb754a344790c5d4c22fbdd45753f7d2afbb66f0dc6e

Transisto is still the only one to know who the 19ENd address belongs to... And he does not seem to be very active, unfortunately.

... 19ENd is DeadTerra / IceDrill address.

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I googled every input from this TX with no luck.
https://blockchain.info/tx/1e3198fd649c8d67d197bb754a344790c5d4c22fbdd45753f7d2afbb66f0dc6e

Transisto is still the only one to know who the 19ENd address belongs to... And he does not seem to be very active, unfortunately.

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Nope still not in there.
I'm not sure how you generated the address list, but my txn is in the txn list, but my address isn't in either address list.
I guess it's a bug somewhere

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Damn yes, that was really missing...
I've updated my previous post to include it. So, everyone please have a look at the updated lists:

Quote from: klabaki on February 09, 2014, 06:15:12 AM

Addresses, Part 1: http://pastebin.com/yGEtnAAY
Addresses, Part 2: http://pastebin.com/JVSL6zjN

Transactions, 2011-10-17 to 2013-03-31: http://pastebin.com/QkFVY7fH
Transactions, 2013-03-31 to 2013-05-19: http://pastebin.com/1SE7YVTt
Transactions, 2013-05-19 to 2013-06-15: http://pastebin.com/T9TLKVtw
Transactions, 2013-06-15 to 2013-07-11: http://pastebin.com/rV3q46Lg
Transactions, 2013-07-11 to 2013-07-29: http://pastebin.com/eqWxDbCu
Transactions, 2013-07-29 to 2013-08-18: http://pastebin.com/sAnebk2a
Transactions, 2013-08-18 to 2013-09-12: http://pastebin.com/r2KkybqV
Transactions, 2013-09-12 to 2013-10-09: http://pastebin.com/SnGfhxXn
Transactions, 2013-10-09 to 2014-01-31: http://pastebin.com/P0tG2gJZ

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The address i got my 6.1% from isnt in the list too. I got the coins from

Code:

1L5eKEybeeFq9nZYvvokoKrCVGmudY5iwG

Its a pretty straight list of transactions so i guess all portal-addresses can be seen there. I followed the trail back manually through many transactions till that address: https://blockchain.info/de/address/19nz67bvcCMwZUNZJ7AxJtoDPb7fHJXkMP which seems to be an address where ukyo collected funds for the portal since he paid in exactly 225BTC and 5BTC. So there is probably another string of transactions when ukyo really paid out >300BTC in total.

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Quote from: klabaki on February 13, 2014, 03:39:26 AM

Quote from: kano on February 13, 2014, 02:28:23 AM

Quote from: klabaki on February 12, 2014, 11:36:11 PM

All of WeExchange's addresses and transactions should already be included in the lists that are linked in this post:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5033659

https://blockchain.info/address/19N74rC3sFyanYGfgezkv4mWG9juYvSxYj

Edit: hmm but my transaction is in one of the lists

(Just not my address)

Open the addresses' list, part 1, and look at line 4864.

I guess you just missed it? Wink

4864. 19N74rC3sFyanYGfgezkv4mWG9juYvSxYj

Bad guess

Not me.

As I said, that's just part of that 28BTC chain.

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Quote from: kano on February 13, 2014, 02:28:23 AM

Quote from: klabaki on February 12, 2014, 11:36:11 PM

All of WeExchange's addresses and transactions should already be included in the lists that are linked in this post:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5033659

https://blockchain.info/address/19N74rC3sFyanYGfgezkv4mWG9juYvSxYj

Edit: hmm but my transaction is in one of the lists

(Just not my address)

Open the addresses' list, part 1, and look at line 4864.

I guess you just missed it? Wink

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Quote from: klabaki on February 12, 2014, 11:36:11 PM

Quote from: SebastianJu on February 12, 2014, 04:09:11 PM

Maybe we should collect another list of addresses from the weexchange withdraw portal. All addresses were the coins came from that were paid out as 6.1%.

All of WeExchange's addresses and transactions should already be included in the lists that are linked in this post:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5033659

If you know about an address or a transactions that belongs to WeExchange, but doesn't appear in the lists, then you should report it immediately.

As SebastianJu said, he was referring to the addresses for the 6.175% payouts that I know of at least one that is not in your lists

Mine.
Look at my post above, every address that is not a continuation of the chain I pointed out, is extremely likely to be a 6.175% payout address.
... and that's just one payout chain.
Total was supposedly 386BTC ... that chain started with exactly 28BTC

This one ... follow it back and forth:
https://blockchain.info/address/19N74rC3sFyanYGfgezkv4mWG9juYvSxYj

Edit: hmm but my transaction is in one of the lists

(Just not my address)

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Quote from: SebastianJu on February 12, 2014, 04:09:11 PM

Maybe we should collect another list of addresses from the weexchange withdraw portal. All addresses were the coins came from that were paid out as 6.1%.

All of WeExchange's addresses and transactions should already be included in the lists that are linked in this post:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5033659

If you know about an address or a transactions that belongs to WeExchange, but doesn't appear in the lists, then you should report it immediately.

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Maybe we should collect another list of addresses from the weexchange withdraw portal. All addresses were the coins came from that were paid out as 6.1%.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on January 29, 2014, 08:07:04 AM

As far as i see my deposit address it looks like the coins i invested were used to pay out the withdraw of other users plus the rest sent to a change address. That way each withdraw a weexchange user got came from a deposit address of another weexchange user most probably. And the origins of these coins would be up to the weexchange user depositing.

So i dont know how important the info is since kano didnt post addresses. Just in case it becomes important i added it.

OK when I looked for it a 2nd time I didn't find it ... coz I'd used a cold address Tongue

So I looked again today and tracked it down.
Look at this transaction.
It's part of the 6.175% payout chain.
https://blockchain.info/address/19N74rC3sFyanYGfgezkv4mWG9juYvSxYj
(No it's not my payout)
But anyway, it's quite simple to follow that one, since it is simply a line of payments until the source ran low, one payment per txn, and the change going to the next payment - following it back by clicking on the address that is the input address on the left that supplied the coins.
It slowly counts back up, one transaction at a time.
... until you hit this address:
https://blockchain.info/address/151uDvok7xx26Q8xoAoJVBPoT6VKmKsHS6

Now there is a direct pool source filling up 151uDvok... on that page:

https://blockchain.info/address/17Rog6H3NDd2sttHiHozcMGf1bDBnjK8jy is a pool payout address

The pool is: Eligius

If you look further down 151uDvok... (in the past) going back to July

https://blockchain.info/address/1BKjTzLiq1EoS9Q55rebw1wzWS7sSiSapk

Is Eleuthria

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Quote from: SebastianJu on February 02, 2014, 06:02:30 PM

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So at a possible court case you might claim that he gave your coins to others to solve weexchange debts. Strictly spoken coins that were deposited and users bought shares with it wouldnt belong to them anymore. But coins that werent used to buy anything would still belong to someone.
Of course that only would help you as long as there is a chance to get the coins back.

Heh - I didn't think of this one at all.
My BTC in Weex was deposited BTC.
(I never put $ into Weex, only BTC)
What happened for me was someone said they'd buy BTC from me.
So I decided to do that (with my wallet) and then withdraw the remaining BTC back out of Weex that I had deposited.
Hmm ... very interesting.

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Quote from: SebastianJu on February 11, 2014, 04:01:28 PM

A theory... that was found as wrong now... was that ukyo misconfigured the wallet. So that change bitcoins didnt went to a new change address but instead went to user deposit addresses from other users. That way it was a deposit to weexchange and the user had more money. In fact the wallet then had lost bitcoins. And a user had more bitcoins he could withdraw that he didnt deposit.

That sounds like a complicated way to fail.

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