Topic: well thats aren't far from the truth (Read 454 times)

OP believe it or not, you get nothing in the forum when you are not giving quality and informative content. Merit is not offered to members based on emotions but by what your posts delivers to the community.
If we all have to initiate your view of how merits should be apportioned then the forum would be filled with lazy bones making the forum look boring for knowledge seekers (if you know what I mean by that).
Merits isn't that hard to get in the forum is just you not doing the right thing to have worth it. And from the comments of other members about your previous posts it is not something of a good report, so you need to improve on yourself with your post quality. That's the only way you can get merits and grow as you so desire.

Why in any way will you ask or beg for merit? If such is done, the purpose of merit from quality post will be forfeited.


Constructive post is the only way to get merit here. And it is also advisable not to make post because you want to get merit. This is because you make be disappointed if merit isn't given to the post. Sometimes most post where you expect merit may not be merit because people may not view it in your perspective. Always make post because you want people to learn from you and you will be surprise at the rate in which merit will keep flowing in.

I went through your posts 25 (out of 31-> 6 deleted already) in order to see if there was something clearly meritable, but unfortunately came back with a couple of surprises instead:


This post is an extract from the below referenced article:
https://www.publish0x.com/coinsreporter/money-cant-buy-happiness-but-can-bitcoin-xqqnqvd
Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20230817162313/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5462427.msg62669104

This other post is derived from a post on Reddit:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinBeginners/comments/15770r2/is_lightning_network_on_the_btc_blockchain/
Archive:
https://web.archive.org/web/20230817163019/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5461240.msg62610771

Now unless you are the author of both of those external sources (…), probably the first tip would be to go through the forum rules and avoid plagiarism altogether (see rule number 33 and the associated example further down the post) …

Okay I won't say that. Congratulations by the way

This is the reason why some newbies always stay in the same rank without merit; you must first learn how to post a quality post that will earn you merit; you cannot simply join a forum and expect people to start giving you merit; merit may be very difficult for you to obtain, but for some forum members, it will be simple because they are aware of the type of quality post they must make in order to receive merit. The way you sound about merit right now suggests that you are not only here to learn about cryptocurrency, but also to hunt for money. As a newbie, you are expected to be fully aware of the forum's rules and regulations.

Some of the more seasoned forum members won't find this funny because they'll assume you're not serious about joining; they'll assume you joined the community solely for financial gain, despite the fact that doing a signature is not the best thing to do. Instead, you should focus on creating high-quality posts because even signatures are concerned with these. Therefore, if you don't go and fulfil the requirements, you won't be deemed worthy.

Don't feel attack, they're just corrections so take it as what it is and work on yourself. We have many users that have earned their way to the top of the rank and you can also be one of them if you stop complaining and starts to work on your accounts. You're a newbie and that's the most loved rank as there are many people ready and willing to assist you with your growth in the forum provided you'll be willing to work and proof that you deserved to ranked up. If you're posting quality contributions, the merits will find you eventually because if you don't get merited directly as those with smerits comes in contact with your posts, others that find your post worthy could recommend them to merit sources and you get merited.


Lol, Sorry I laughed when I see this replies, I thought this way of thinking would have die off the forum by now because people have been saying this since I was a newbie but upto date it has been the other way around. The more you grow the lesser your chances of getting merited with the same level of quality you have always delivering previously. With higher ranks, it's presumed you have advance in your thinking therefore your quality should be advanced as well and the merits is likely to reduced then increase. Instead of the legendary ranks getting the merits it's the newbies that get all the merits.

I don’t think getting merit is difficult here, you haven’t done anything that's worth meriting, which is why you haven’t received any merit. If you make quality posts that people think are useful, they will merit you, and if you are desperate to get merit, don’t be surprised that you won’t be getting it, and you might end up going against the forum rules at the end, and you will be punished for that. Just post freely, and you will end up receiving merit.

At the time of replying this post, you already have 27 posts with zero merits, maybe know one have seen your post value able to them that’s why they haven’t merited you, so what I will recommend is for you to improve your post quality, do more research and am sure you will get the merit you are looking for.

Maybe if you had taken your time to read the requirements and the standard way of giving out merits, you won't make a suggestion of this kind to the community, this also shows that you have not read about the forum merit system well, though let me assume you're bringing a suggestion here, giving merit is strictly by quality post and not by quantity.


I believe your target of coming here is not to get merits, the merit system was introduced to curb the spammers from growing in rank.


You're yet to begin, haven't you seen a user profile with thousand of posts without any single merit? Not until you define what brought you here, you may not get merit or the opportunity to grow.


So spammers and scammers should also grow along with those that are serious with their contributions to the forum?

Thanks for the compliment, but that doesn't make me feel better than other users. Here I am also still in the learning stage, there are still many shortcomings that I need to learn to be a good forum user. Other users try to provide views from different sides, the different characters of each user need to be digested properly, even though the delivery method is different, their goals remain the same. Corrections and criticism need to be received positively, in fact their purpose is for your good and increase your knowledge about how to benefit.

Op, make difficulties a challenge, when you find it difficult to get merits, you have to motivate yourself even more so that you can get merits. Merit is not only for certain circles, Newbies can also get merit if they are able to produce quality posts.
You have to be jealous of other members who have managed to rank up after getting several merits, Jealous I mean in terms of the positive side, when other members can rank up to a higher rank, you should be able to too. Nothing is hard to get as long as you are willing to learn, increase your knowledge to help speed up your account rank up process.

I pity you OP with that tone and it seems like you have grudges about the merit system here. Being a newbie is really hard since many will doubt your account at first. Dont be jealous of those who got merits with their post or even response. Its not like they are asking for it. Too much expectation on your post would give you headache.  Just be normal like everybody else, and you would be suprise that the morr you wont get notice it merits will come as long as you did a good take away from different topics.

Even without having to do a POST some good replies on quality post also earn you merits, now to be in for merits you have to bring in something you know that can help newbies like you to learn, or should i say we all should learn from post with images that will educate faster on the post you will make and also it took make a long time to get here, so dont expect the worst or good at a shorter timeframe.

how can other people not comment negatively on you while you yourself make posts that indicate expecting other members to give you a little "merit"

if you want to learn then you won't like this, you should try to read how other senior members get "merit" because there is no special trick for that, as long as you provide quality posts, you will get merit from other members, believe me.

Instead of seeking merits, try making constructive posts and improve your knowledge about Bitcoin. This way, you'll get more stuffs to provide in this forums and also you'd provide assistance to those seeking help with such matters. Long story short, if you're looking to improve the quality of your posts to earn merits, focus on putting in the effort to make that happens.

If your goal is to rank up in this forum, consider reviewing your posts in comparison to those who consistently earn merits. You'll likely notice a differences in the quality of your posts for sure.

if the admin does that it most likely will encourage account farmers to spam nonstop just to achieve the number of posts to get the free merits. As you have said, you didn't know how it was before, one of the reasons why the admins implement the merit system is to stop account farmers from spamming and encourage members to put more effort into what they post to earn merits and be able to rank up. if they follow what you are suggesting this would just reverse what they try to eliminate/reduce when they implement the merit system.

To be honest, ranking up to Jr. Member and Member isn't even that hard, you need some activity and just a few posts to be merited and you're already there. I personally ranked up before the merit system so I can't really say anything (and I rarely even got merits) but I think the system is good as it is - you'll rank up if a lot of people appreciate your posts.

I would suggest learning more about Bitcoin and this forum for starters and try to format your post a little better (don't use new rows for every sentence and watch out for your spaces) - it just looks better when you read it and you have a higher chance that people will actually read or reply. And also focus on contributing to the forum or learning, not gaining merits.

Thank for your professional reply , unlike the other legendary users this one was great and helpful

It's a good idea but I don't think it needs to be implemented because every rule that has been made on the forum has succeeded in eradicating spammers by implementing a merit system. I can understand what you mean, it's hard to get merit doesn't mean you need to change the rules of the forum, when you can't read, don't blame the book, correct yourself why you can't read while other people can read fluently.
The forum already has several service threads available, you can apply to Thread [Merit] Help newbies and those who have a little left to the next rank and Thread [Merit] Share your best posts/threads with Fillippone to be merit assessed for merit assistance. Instead of asking for a revision of the forum rules, you can apply there, if your post is worthy, Merit Source will give you some merits that can help you get closer to being in the Member rank.

When a newbie talks about merit, chances are he's not getting any or not getting enough because he is trying hard to impress, why not focus on contributing and forget about getting merit, be someone who contributes or gets people to know you as an active poster and knowledgeable on some subject, not really expert but someone who can participate and contribute on the topic, members with merits are likely to give merits to newbies who show active participation on a discussion.

It doesn't mean that if you reach a designated number of posts or activities you will receive merit still people seeing the contributions and quality of your content that benefits to the community, keep exploring more here in the community and observe other members or even the prominent ones how they get a bunch amount of merit that case you can rank up too like the higher ranks. Are you urging to rank up immediately? it takes time to deal with it, takes time to learn so invest in knowledge. Good luck to your journey.

I believe the system is just perfect the way it is; the merit system was not created to favor anyone, but anyone who drops posts that are quality enough to receive merit will definitely get that as a reward. And with you making 24 posts since your registration and no merit yet, it should at least teach you something, which is that you should work a little on your post quality, and you will definitely get those merits you are searching for.
 
I will advise you to just devote your time to building yourself and learning properly from the forum, and in due time, before you realize it, you will notice that merit will start flowing on your posts and comments without you even requesting it. Everyone has different ways of judging post quality and if they meet their requirements for it to be merited.

But having this kind of mindset that merit is low only with the higher-ranking members might kill your desire to even push further, and posts like this one might likely put you on many users ignore lists, reducing your chances of getting merit when you make quality posts.

You're saying that in order to get 1 merit, you need to post 20 posts? That's your suggestion?

How about those newbies out there who are posting only Proof of Authentication in their bounty campaigns that they're participating? You are saying that they will just rank up somewhere in the future just because they are posting more than 20 posts per week with some Facebook, Twitter and other social media links? I mean that's unfair to the other users out there who are trying to make some quality, and constructive post just to have a chance to get merits. It's unfair right?

TBH, I don't know what's the other way for newbies to gain merit aside from making some quality posts out there.

I will not attack you, but can I ask you a question. What is your purpose in joining the forum in the first place? Because if you're just here for knowledge, rank doesn't matter TBH. If you're here because you heard from some stranger out there that you can earn money here (but you must have a high rank), then rank matters to you.

Most of your topics is only asking other user. I doubt your post helps other user but rather those who answer your topic is the one made a useful reply for others. If you want to get merit, be the guy who answer questions and not the guy who’s consistently asking for help.


You should make this thread a self moderated if you want to filter all the post here according to your preference.

What you propose would completely nullify the existence of the merit system, returning us to the time when for a higher rank it was only necessary to be active and write any posts. If for 20 posts of poor quality you get 1 merit, for 50 you get 2 merits and so on, where does it end?

The merits system exists precisely to prevent shitposters and account farmers from doing what they did before that system existed.

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I suggest that you read the forum rules before you start giving advice, because you have already broken one rule.

Let's be honest with ourselves as newbies, I don't see it that way, if you deserve to get merit on any post or contribution it will be given by the community. So don't say Legends gives to Legend, do your best on reading more and making good contributions to the forum. It's more of educating ourselves than getting merit

Seems like this thread should be on Metal because OP talks about forum system, but other member will be butchering OP if this thread was on Meta. lol.

So, what you are proposing was the old system, before the Merit system we can just rank up by making 'Activity', if you don't know what actually is 'Activity' you can read this post, https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/faq-everything-you-need-to-know-about-forum-activity-account-ranks-and-merit-2766177
With that system, Merit is redundant since it has no purposes.

I'm sorry, if I had said something wrong. There's no one here above any rules. If you have to earn merits, then you should consider learning and that's the simple truth. All that everyone has said so far (and more to come) might just seems to you like an insult but for someone who is ready to learn it would be taken as an advice. Just try and read all the post links you have been directed to and you will see from months to come, when you start improving you post quality and making good contributions merits surely will be given. There's no other way to go about it.

As for what you are suggesting it cannot be possible as other senior members were ones a newbie and if they had not made made good contributions to the forum then they wouldn't be able to rank up also.

Plans for what? For merit to be sold to newbies?

When a newbie that’s really interested in bitcoin comes to the forum it takes them lesser time to grow their account but the sets of newbies we have now are just fixated on acquiring merits and even to the extent that some of them are looking for shortcuts and if opportuned to purchase merits they’ll do so without having a second thought about it.

The main aim of merit is to appreciate those that make constructive contribution to a discussion so if you’re unable to receive merits it’s most likely that your post is not helpful or you’re only just reiterating what someone already stated in the thread, and to you it might seem like the lost you have made in the forum but to others is just another form of paraphrasing.

cmon guys no one read my post as it should !!!

it was suggesting

Actually the admins already give the solution for those people who want to enjoy like a member rank's advantage, it's through buying a copper membership.

So if you feel it's hard to get merit and you're not actively posting in this forum, you can just skip it by buy the membership.

The price is still cheap and the network isn't yet congested, so you will not pay too much for the fees.

Bro you said what makes me laugh out louder but I am pretty sorry if my lol will offend you, you said twenty (20) plus post gives you one (1) merit but now you have twenty four (24) posts as you mentioned but no single merit that means before you get one (1) merit you must have maybe fifty (50) posts lol  .
To get merit is not a big deal just make your quality post that's all, everyone here once started from crash, I don't think anybody get merits from their first post of learning.
Now you have been given so many helpful links read them carefully so you know the difference between quality post and shit post.

thank you !! you just proved my point

im not asking for merits if u read my topic well

it was suggesting plan for newbies

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First I'm so happy that my post make u laugh u made my day 

second as I mentioned about you may attack me with your insults words and this isn't a begging for merits

since when high ranks members  become so naive ...just to throw insulting words and show that you are above everyone  and smarter

sometimes the smarting thing to do is to be silence

its really not the best way to grow your community !! I'm posting hello community/bitcointalk community .etc out of  Respect
if thats hard to understand then we have a serious problem here

i made this post to see how high ranks will respond and u didnt seize to amaze me ...im not posting at this forum anymore

im



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Your topic, and the body of your message is getting me confused 🤔.
What is it, that is not far from the truth?
Now talking about merit and how to rang up, the rules are very simple, you can only get merits by posting quality post, nothing less nothing more.
Haven gone through your profile, I feel your not a frequent contributor on this forum, as you've been here for almost two years with just 22 post, whatever you have is as a result of your input, hence I urge you to start contributing meaningfully on forum and you will see yourself growing, This is the truth I that is not far from you(as regards your topic).

OP, you are not serious to learn in this forum because of how you sound on giving merits to newbies. You are not a newbie because you are almost two years in the forum with only 22 post and no merit. This shows that you don't have the zeal to earn merits like other forum members,and you don't want to improve yourself in the forum. Nobody will give you merit if you don't deserve it,there are so many ways to get merits and there are some threads by high rank members for application to get merits but you don't read anything and you want to grow,it is impossible. Or do you have another motive of being a member of this community because you are old enough to have attain the Senior member rank since the day that you registered if you were consistent with the forum activities.

I totally understand your poin(I feel same too, considering my rank and activities and how relevant my post and replies have been, you're courageous in saying this sincerely)On going through your post history especially ones you started I see that you've done well to ask some questions as regards Bitcoin, Ethereum hash speed and some comparison questions as well as kinda you sell some old timspot stuff via telegram.
In a way those questions must have left replies that helped not just you but also others but obviously it wasn't worthy of merit to higher ranked members
I'd say you do well to keep up your good post and monitor those who's been rewarded merit and see how they construct theirs ans how you can do same in different aspects

But one thing I observe it's like legends give legends merit and it's not really fair you help the lower ranks to grow and not 'enriching in merit already rich'...we may not have as deep knowledge as the higher ranked members when we post but it should be encouraged that we go to some extent learn new stuff and try to share... sometimes we the only thing that is earned is bully by some eyeservice members and nothing is learnt . I began to feel whether some members are afraid to give merits to others but since I learnt that smerit expires I was like why not give to encourage a post that hase brought so many people together bringing opinions than just hoarding it ... it's of no use if you're doing so. ...(message to higher ranked members)

OP keep posting relevant stuff I'm sure you'll get merit so much as to take you to the highest rank soon.

OP' if you made a comment where you asked for qualifications but essentially if you wanted qualifications in a post based way then that is wrong. You mentioned 20+ is a qualification in the post but if you think so then it will never be possible. There is no qualification based on posts no matter how many posts you post if you don't qualify you will remain a newbie. In that case you post quality to change your rank then you can get merit and your rank will increase. So you try to post better quality you will get merit. And there are many guides for newbies, observe and read them, only then you can learn and understand.

OP, a couple more months, and you'll be considered registered two years ago. Do you still think that someone owes you merit? If the forum proceeds from your worldview that quantity should prevail over quality, then we will go back to the past. It was from this that the forum ran away when merits were invented.
But back to you: why do you need merit? Will you look more manly by selling your products?
Sorry for the irony, but your posts do not show that you are interested in something here.
I like a good expression: "What you radiate is what you receive."

Merit system was added to recognize ones contribution to this community. It's not something you get for posting or increasing your activities. Rather if you make quality posts which would help the community to learn something or if you help someone in term of knowledge you can get merits. Try to make useful posts and don't violate any forum rules and you are good to go.

Begging for merits won't get you anywhere. Rather you could get negative feedback or trust. So don't do this.

If you are unaware of how BitcoinTalk works and what are the rules, then check this post to learn more;

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/newbies-read-before-posting-1689727

If you did not get merit, it is because your posts are not good enough. Improve your posts and you will have merit.

You are free to register account and use it for posting, no registration fee.

Junior members without one earned merit were demoted to newbies.

Enhanced newbie restrictions and requirements

Op, are these the posts you suggest getting merits from





It's very clear that op's main aim in this forum is to earn merits and not learning about the main focus here of which is Bitcoin.

It's so hilarious, and I still wonder why you always greet the community before creating each post. As I was checking your post history I couldn't help it lol

I'm just sorry to say that all these behaviors won't help you to earn any merits and I suggest you start by learning how to create quality post so you will earn some. You can start by reading some of the best post here on how to earn merits
List Of How To Get Merit Guides Thread

And you can as well learn how to create quality post

[GUIDE] Making Quality Thread + Grammar Check

What is Quality post really

@Op I see you are running to different places due to lack of Merit but it is never possible to get merit like this. But definitely spend enough time on forums and learn a lot about Bitcoin. If there should be knowledgeable and quality posts and proper suggestions then it is possible to get merit.

I entered your profile and you only made 25 posts. Out of 25 posts I don't think one post merits. So you learn first then try to reach higher level. So I think OP you should acquire a lot of education it is not possible to earn merit by creating all these topics. Therefore your topic may become offtopic.

If you ask for merits you won't get any.

You have to make constructive and quality posts to get merit.

Hello Bitcointalk community

i saw many people ( even i am one of them)  Since getting merits a lil bit hard here people rushing to posts like me newbie maybe post some posts without looking at the " Newbies - Read before posting"

Or high ranks members respond the same answers but in a different ways.

so I was suggesting that at first to get merits by posting numbers...like 20+ posts getting 1 merit, 50+ 2 merits ..and so on.

im not sure how it was before but now its not that easy to get at least 1 merit to begin.


* i made this topic since I'm looking for a beginning in this forum i had only 24 posts but yet they are useful for others (I'm not the one to judge) but didn't get any yet .

so i guess the admins should do a PLAN for newbies members to get to be at least MEMBERS


Maybe some will attack me here from nothing is easy to get ..but im fighting to be visible to others !! newbie rank will not get me anywhere atm.

So please no negative comments !! after all we are here to learn